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Post by defresh101 on May 14, 2010 14:52:37 GMT -4
Now I do realize Q teams go in cycles, and a Junior team is only allowed 3 20 year olds and 2 Euros that it makes it difficult. I also realize as the players are teens, and it takes a 16 year afew years to mature compared to a 20 year old.
With that being said it kinda gets old when all we talk about is 2012 and our contending year. If Hull/ Gatineau had that attitude would they have been sucessful as they are. Moncton seems to rebuild abit quicker also. I am not saying that rebuilding isnt important, but who's to say Halifax or even Bathurst could not some damage next play-offs.
The NHL is a whole different beast than the Q, but when you look at Montreal and Boston they would be middle of the pack in the Q, and if they were a Q team they most likely would have been sellers at the trade period.
Washington and Pittsburg would have been CONTENDERS this year in the Q. You could even compare those 2 teams to a Cape Breton team with Fleury that got knocked out in the first round. Or a Halifax team with Marchand.
Now I am not saying that the Mooseheads are going to be awesome in 2011 but man do we have to fast forward this season away until 2012. Sometimes the Q is like the Harlem Glode Trotter league. I stacked team to beat on the weaker.
See we can't even trade our goalies this year as we need both for our 2011 play-off run. (Now thats the mentality we should have).
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Post by Fred The Moose on May 14, 2010 15:30:55 GMT -4
Well the best teams in history of league don't always win the league titles they are the ones that build the team to be good every season and that was what the old Hull/Gatineau teams always were but some times luck of draws such was the year the Moose meant them in finals we played three round of seven game series and Gatineau played only thirteen games that spring...
As for worries this season coming we will be coming and will be better and the future is really beyond 2012 unless Bobby Smith is selling the team after the run...
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Post by lalalaprise on May 14, 2010 17:06:13 GMT -4
Moncton missed the playoffs 2 years in a row so I wouldnt say they rebuild quicker...
They have won twice in the last 5 years but people forget that they were the league doormat, much like Halifax was, for 2 consecutive years.
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Post by BizNasty2.1 on May 14, 2010 17:24:30 GMT -4
Ya moncton missed the playoffs in 96 and 97.... The first 2 years in the league
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Post by Dalkiel on May 14, 2010 17:36:28 GMT -4
Moncton missed the playoffs 2 years in a row so I wouldnt say they rebuild quicker... They have won twice in the last 5 years but people forget that they were the league doormat, much like Halifax was, for 2 consecutive years. They were the doormat of the league for 1 year in the past what.....8 seasons? And hardly that, rarely did they get blown away that one year of 07-08 and lost something in the vacinity of 28 games by a goal..... probably one of the most respected crap year you could have. |
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Post by lalalaprise on May 14, 2010 18:01:33 GMT -4
Moncton missed the playoffs 2 years in a row so I wouldnt say they rebuild quicker... They have won twice in the last 5 years but people forget that they were the league doormat, much like Halifax was, for 2 consecutive years. They were the doormat of the league for 1 year in the past what.....8 seasons? And hardly that, rarely did they get blown away that one year of 07-08 and lost something in the vacinity of 28 games by a goal..... probably one of the most respected crap year you could have. My point wasnt to rag on Moncton...I made an error and thought Moncton missed 2 years in a row for some reason. That being said, the key to Moncton's success of late is making trades at the right time. Halifax missed the boat by not trading Brine and Carnegie...where as Moncton got good return for guys like Marquardt and Mangan, etc. CHI f'ed themselves over by not trading Desharnais, BaC screwed themselves by not trading Petit...it isnt rocket science...the reason Halifax is in this situation is more to do with their reluctance to trade vets in the past which forced them to overpay 3 years ago. |
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Post by howitzer on May 14, 2010 18:08:35 GMT -4
Moncton missed the playoffs 2 years in a row so I wouldnt say they rebuild quicker... They have won twice in the last 5 years but people forget that they were the league doormat, much like Halifax was, for 2 consecutive years. They were the doormat of the league for 1 year in the past what.....8 seasons? And hardly that, rarely did they get blown away that one year of 07-08 and lost something in the vacinity of 28 games by a goal..... probably one of the most respected crap year you could have. A loss is a loss. The Mooseheads had many, many games this year where they were either up a goal, tied, or down a goal in the third but lost the game. I don't see anyone calling our season in anyway, shape or form "respectable" lol. |
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Post by fireball on May 14, 2010 18:16:22 GMT -4
I agree with Lala on Halifax not trading there vets which will not happen under Russell. Re-building includes drafting players and also the proper trades at the right time for maximum return. I think it will start this June and December, trades I mean.
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Post by howitzer on May 14, 2010 18:19:09 GMT -4
They were the doormat of the league for 1 year in the past what.....8 seasons? And hardly that, rarely did they get blown away that one year of 07-08 and lost something in the vacinity of 28 games by a goal..... probably one of the most respected crap year you could have. My point wasnt to rag on Moncton...I made an error and thought Moncton missed 2 years in a row for some reason. That being said, the key to Moncton's success of late is making trades at the right time. Halifax missed the boat by not trading Brine and Carnegie...where as Moncton got good return for guys like Marquardt and Mangan, etc. CHI f'ed themselves over by not trading Desharnais, BaC screwed themselves by not trading Petit...it isnt rocket science...the reason Halifax is in this situation is more to do with their reluctance to trade vets in the past which forced them to overpay 3 years ago. It's interesting how a move or two an organization makes, or in some cases doesn't make, has a ripple effect on that organization, and how the team can feel the effects for years after the fact. Keeping Brine and Carnagie and even MacDonald that year set this team back a ton looking back. So much could have been avoided. I know each of the 3 had different situations and circumstances that played a role in Marcel keeping them. But in hindsight, wow, we paid big time for sitting on our hands that year. |
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Post by Dalkiel on May 14, 2010 18:42:11 GMT -4
They were the doormat of the league for 1 year in the past what.....8 seasons? And hardly that, rarely did they get blown away that one year of 07-08 and lost something in the vacinity of 28 games by a goal..... probably one of the most respected crap year you could have. A loss is a loss. The Mooseheads had many, many games this year where they were either up a goal, tied, or down a goal in the third but lost the game. I don't see anyone calling our season in anyway, shape or form "respectable" lol. Yes, a loss is a loss but to see your team get cleaned out just about every game is not something I want to watch ever. Our rebuilding season was the best it possibly could be, the boys played as hard as they could pretty much every night. We lacked skill and size, plain and simple. To make each night as entertaining as they did that year was a treat to the hardcores that stick around for the bottom of the cycle.... there wasn't much to complain about that year, just mostly exciting to see the upswing that was to follow.... much like you'll see this year and next year. |
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Post by chsb on May 14, 2010 18:51:09 GMT -4
As an example, the Titan traded Blanchard,Renaud and Champion last season and got in return:
Gilbert
Levesque
Losier
O'Brien
a 2nd round pick 2010 and
a 1st round pick 2011
and spent a 3rd round pick to Quebec....that is pretty good and should allow the Titan to position itself pretty well for this season.
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Post by MikeC on May 14, 2010 18:54:45 GMT -4
Ya moncton missed the playoffs in 96 and 97.... The first 2 years in the league Moncton missed the playoffs in 01 and 02 as well. |
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Post by lalalaprise on May 14, 2010 19:19:43 GMT -4
As an example, the Titan traded Blanchard,Renaud and Champion last season and got in return: Gilbert Levesque Losier O'Brien a 2nd round pick 2010 and a 1st round pick 2011 and spent a 3rd round pick to Quebec....that is pretty good and should allow the Titan to position itself pretty well for this season. You keep counting the picks AND the players...you cant have your cake and eating it too....sheesh. Youve been told like 80 times. |
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Post by Gman on May 14, 2010 19:30:56 GMT -4
Now I do realize Q teams go in cycles, and a Junior team is only allowed 3 20 year olds and 2 Euros that it makes it difficult. I also realize as the players are teens, and it takes a 16 year afew years to mature compared to a 20 year old. With that being said it kinda gets old when all we talk about is 2012 and our contending year. If Hull/ Gatineau had that attitude would they have been sucessful as they are. Moncton seems to rebuild abit quicker also. I am not saying that rebuilding isnt important, but who's to say Halifax or even Bathurst could not some damage next play-offs. The NHL is a whole different beast than the Q, but when you look at Montreal and Boston they would be middle of the pack in the Q, and if they were a Q team they most likely would have been sellers at the trade period. Washington and Pittsburg would have been CONTENDERS this year in the Q. You could even compare those 2 teams to a Cape Breton team with Fleury that got knocked out in the first round. Or a Halifax team with Marchand. Now I am not saying that the Mooseheads are going to be awesome in 2011 but man do we have to fast forward this season away until 2012. Sometimes the Q is like the Harlem Glode Trotter league. I stacked team to beat on the weaker. See we can't even trade our goalies this year as we need both for our 2011 play-off run. (Now thats the mentality we should have). No offense, but have you completely missed the point of what Russell and Smith are trying to do? They are trying to mold the franchise a bit more like Gatineau, but they will build through strong drafts, hold on to high picks, make timely trades, and tinker with the lineup (not make blockbuster deals) a bit at the trade periods. Right now Halifax is trying to build a foundation so that they never have to suffer 2 years like they just have. It's not about a contending year- its about contending every year to at least make a splash in the playoffs, and every 2-3 years make a decent run at the championship. It's really not rocket science, but you need a GM and owner who are on board, and won't abandon the plan when the going gets tough. I think the Moose brass proved they are in it for the long haul by not panicing and trying to acquire veteran players this year. Now if Cam the coach (IMO, this should be his chance to prove himself- no more excuses) turns out to be as effective as Cam the GM, there could be some very exciting seasons for Moose fans. A lot has to go right for Halifax to take the next step. - they need a strong draft next month. They have the picks to do it, so as long as Russell and the scouting staff have done their homework, the draft should be a success. - take advantage of having the 3rd overall Euro pick, either by getting a nice return for it from a team like Gatineau, Quebec, etc. Or pick a player who will be a better than average Q player. Again, with 3rd pick this shouldn't be a huge challenge. - tap the Free Agent market. You know Moncton, SJ, Cape Breton, and Gatineau will. It's time Halifax started putting some resources into this, as it's obviously yielded huge success for teams that already do. |
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Post by Dalkiel on May 14, 2010 19:51:07 GMT -4
Now I do realize Q teams go in cycles, and a Junior team is only allowed 3 20 year olds and 2 Euros that it makes it difficult. I also realize as the players are teens, and it takes a 16 year afew years to mature compared to a 20 year old. With that being said it kinda gets old when all we talk about is 2012 and our contending year. If Hull/ Gatineau had that attitude would they have been sucessful as they are. Moncton seems to rebuild abit quicker also. I am not saying that rebuilding isnt important, but who's to say Halifax or even Bathurst could not some damage next play-offs. The NHL is a whole different beast than the Q, but when you look at Montreal and Boston they would be middle of the pack in the Q, and if they were a Q team they most likely would have been sellers at the trade period. Washington and Pittsburg would have been CONTENDERS this year in the Q. You could even compare those 2 teams to a Cape Breton team with Fleury that got knocked out in the first round. Or a Halifax team with Marchand. Now I am not saying that the Mooseheads are going to be awesome in 2011 but man do we have to fast forward this season away until 2012. Sometimes the Q is like the Harlem Glode Trotter league. I stacked team to beat on the weaker. See we can't even trade our goalies this year as we need both for our 2011 play-off run. (Now thats the mentality we should have). No offense, but have you completely missed the point of what Russell and Smith are trying to do? They are trying to mold the franchise a bit more like Gatineau, but they will build through strong drafts, hold on to high picks, make timely trades, and tinker with the lineup (not make blockbuster deals) a bit at the trade periods. Right now Halifax is trying to build a foundation so that they never have to suffer 2 years like they just have. It's not about a contending year- its about contending every year to at least make a splash in the playoffs, and every 2-3 years make a decent run at the championship. It's really not rocket science, but you need a GM and owner who are on board, and won't abandon the plan when the going gets tough. I think the Moose brass proved they are in it for the long haul by not panicing and trying to acquire veteran players this year. Now if Cam the coach (IMO, this should be his chance to prove himself- no more excuses) turns out to be as effective as Cam the GM, there could be some very exciting seasons for Moose fans. A lot has to go right for Halifax to take the next step. - they need a strong draft next month. They have the picks to do it, so as long as Russell and the scouting staff have done their homework, the draft should be a success. - take advantage of having the 3rd overall Euro pick, either by getting a nice return for it from a team like Gatineau, Quebec, etc. Or pick a player who will be a better than average Q player. Again, with 3rd pick this shouldn't be a huge challenge. - tap the Free Agent market. You know Moncton, SJ, Cape Breton, and Gatineau will. It's time Halifax started putting some resources into this, as it's obviously yielded huge success for teams that already do. if the Moose are going to go with that strategy and have a mid-good team year in and year out with a "decent" cup run then I speak for the rest of the Q and say, that's fine for the rest of us. As seen in many years past with the very few exceptions, it takes a strong vetern team with depth to win the league, a "decent" run just won't do it. If you're fine with the Moose not winning championships, then so am I, the rest of the league will just use you guys as a middle step on the ladder year in and year out. I'm not saying take the Rimouski approach where they tank 2-3 years and go for it but in order to make a serious run these days, you really need to go for it. Some teams have a cup hangover the following year, some shit the bed for 2 years in a row and in very very few cases, some teams can actually reload.... its just too difficult to do IMO. |
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