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Post by luke34e on Jun 30, 2010 13:44:40 GMT -4
I was think anybody wonder what about the other american kid coming to play? Yeah he might have been a flier pick as cam said but if he's a good as they say this is the team to be on. Looking at this team it now has at lest 3 players that can go pretty high in the next 2 drafts plus the fact that it has 3 guys drafted now. Think about how many scouts could be around this team for the next few seasons someone else (ie Hannay) could get picked up. High picks in the next 2 drafts? Do you consider high within the first 2 or 3 rounds? 2011 - Desjardins?, Andrews? Ashley? 2012 - Campini? Frk? Who else? Clarke has the potential to go pretty high next year.
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Post by sharrow on Jun 30, 2010 14:05:09 GMT -4
W-O-W, who would have thought we could be in this possible situation, I think that those responsible for this should get an extra weeks holidays. Look at the recent quotes from people who report on the team: WUEST "For the 1st time since 07/08 I am eagerly awaiting camp", PALOV: "The Moose with several legitimately talented players at every position it looks like they are finally turning the corner", WUEST: "No more sleeping in the stands with guys like Ciampini, Frk and Ashley around" A Scout: "The fans will love Martin Frk". We are truly back on the tracks and in the game. GO-MOOSE-GO
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Post by gary82 on Jun 30, 2010 14:18:33 GMT -4
W-O-W, who would have thought we could be in this possible situation, I think that those responsible for this should get an extra weeks holidays. Look at the recent quotes from people who report on the team: WUEST "For the 1st time since 07/08 I am eagerly awaiting camp", PALOV: "The Moose with several legitimately talented players at every position it looks like they are finally turning the corner", WUEST: "No more sleeping in the stands with guys like Ciampini, Frk and Ashley around" A Scout: "The fans will love Martin Frk". We are truly back on the tracks and in the game. GO-MOOSE-GO Yeah i've been a season ticket holder for about 9 years now and i've never been this excited for a season to start in years
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Post by lalalaprise on Jun 30, 2010 14:31:18 GMT -4
W-O-W, who would have thought we could be in this possible situation, I think that those responsible for this should get an extra weeks holidays. Look at the recent quotes from people who report on the team: WUEST "For the 1st time since 07/08 I am eagerly awaiting camp", PALOV: "The Moose with several legitimately talented players at every position it looks like they are finally turning the corner", WUEST: "No more sleeping in the stands with guys like Ciampini, Frk and Ashley around" A Scout: "The fans will love Martin Frk". We are truly back on the tracks and in the game. GO-MOOSE-GO Welcome to the cyclical nature of junior hockey. Honestly, some of the stuff you say its as if you havent been paying attention the last 10 years.
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Post by fireball on Jun 30, 2010 14:53:16 GMT -4
It's laughable !
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Post by Gman on Jun 30, 2010 15:18:50 GMT -4
W-O-W, who would have thought we could be in this possible situation, I think that those responsible for this should get an extra weeks holidays. Look at the recent quotes from people who report on the team: WUEST "For the 1st time since 07/08 I am eagerly awaiting camp", PALOV: "The Moose with several legitimately talented players at every position it looks like they are finally turning the corner", WUEST: "No more sleeping in the stands with guys like Ciampini, Frk and Ashley around" A Scout: "The fans will love Martin Frk". We are truly back on the tracks and in the game. GO-MOOSE-GO Welcome to the cyclical nature of junior hockey. Honestly, some of the stuff you say its as if you havent been paying attention the last 10 years. But those that have been paying attention the last 10 years know full well that while Halifax has had a few legitimate contenders, they were always at the expense of REALLY down years afterwards, which shouldn't have to happen if the team is built properly. Patenaude essentially used a credit card, while Russell is investing in the future, and not taking any shortcuts. To be fair to Patenaude, we don't know how many of his trades were influenced by Smith, and what kind of pressure there was to win, where Smith has been very patient with Russell. I think we can all agree that in the end, it will pay off. Halifax is building assets like never before, and when it comes time to trade for that impact player to help put them over the top, they will have guys in MAAA and lots of picks to trade, instead of trading their ONLY picks and having none left to restock the cupboard with prospects.
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Post by lalalaprise on Jun 30, 2010 15:31:05 GMT -4
Welcome to the cyclical nature of junior hockey. Honestly, some of the stuff you say its as if you havent been paying attention the last 10 years. But those that have been paying attention the last 10 years know full well that while Halifax has had a few legitimate contenders, they were always at the expense of REALLY down years afterwards, which shouldn't have to happen if the team is built properly. Patenaude essentially used a credit card, while Russell is investing in the future, and not taking any shortcuts. To be fair to Patenaude, we don't know how many of his trades were influenced by Smith, and what kind of pressure there was to win, where Smith has been very patient with Russell. I think we can all agree that in the end, it will pay off. Halifax is building assets like never before, and when it comes time to trade for that impact player to help put them over the top, they will have guys in MAAA and lots of picks to trade, instead of trading their ONLY picks and having none left to restock the cupboard with prospects. And I agree with most of what you said...and I like the way Russell is running things much better than the way Patenaude did. But any team that shits the bed for 2 straight years better have some young assets to show for it 3 years later...its not really a shock where Halifax is right now and where they are headed...any team that finishes dead last twice in a row should have a roster filled with high picks and young players 3 years later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 16:14:45 GMT -4
But those that have been paying attention the last 10 years know full well that while Halifax has had a few legitimate contenders, they were always at the expense of REALLY down years afterwards, which shouldn't have to happen if the team is built properly. Patenaude essentially used a credit card, while Russell is investing in the future, and not taking any shortcuts. To be fair to Patenaude, we don't know how many of his trades were influenced by Smith, and what kind of pressure there was to win, where Smith has been very patient with Russell. I think we can all agree that in the end, it will pay off. Halifax is building assets like never before, and when it comes time to trade for that impact player to help put them over the top, they will have guys in MAAA and lots of picks to trade, instead of trading their ONLY picks and having none left to restock the cupboard with prospects. And I agree with most of what you said...and I like the way Russell is running things much better than the way Patenaude did. But any team that shits the bed for 2 straight years better have some young assets to show for it 3 years later...its not really a shock where Halifax is right now and where they are headed...any team that finishes dead last twice in a row should have a roster filled with high picks and young players 3 years later. We'll look even better in a year with as of right now 7 picks in the first 5 rounds and perhaps more. IMO we should keep all of them and have 1 more draft of multiple high picks just to cement the foundation so to speak.
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Post by lalalaprise on Jun 30, 2010 16:44:16 GMT -4
And I agree with most of what you said...and I like the way Russell is running things much better than the way Patenaude did. But any team that shits the bed for 2 straight years better have some young assets to show for it 3 years later...its not really a shock where Halifax is right now and where they are headed...any team that finishes dead last twice in a row should have a roster filled with high picks and young players 3 years later. We'll look even better in a year with as of right now 7 picks in the first 5 rounds and perhaps more. IMO we should keep all of them and have 1 more draft of multiple high picks just to cement the foundation so to speak. And thats one thing I am very pleased with...draft picks. It made draft day boring, especially for me, 2-3 picks in the first 5 rounds...im glad those years are behind us. One thing I find Marcel was poor at was extracting extra picks here and there...they add up over time. Instead he got rid of extra picks, case in point the Amyot deal. Adding that 4th was not necessary.
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Post by sharrow on Jun 30, 2010 19:18:15 GMT -4
I agree with all that you said Gman, further this year should have been our 3rd year of the rebuilding cycle but because we were left with literally no picks in the 2008 draft coupled with the adding of band-aid players as fill ins in order to ice the 2008/09 team which was a complete write off. So really the true rebuilding took place at the 2009 draft in Moncton. When Russell took over, this organization was on life support with a decaying defence, bandaid players trought out the forwards and questionable goaltending. Russell in a season and a quarter has done a masterful job of restoring the Moose back to some respectablility and life support is no longer a problem and the fans will return to the Metro Center.
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Post by howitzer on Jun 30, 2010 19:49:33 GMT -4
And I agree with most of what you said...and I like the way Russell is running things much better than the way Patenaude did. But any team that shits the bed for 2 straight years better have some young assets to show for it 3 years later...its not really a shock where Halifax is right now and where they are headed...any team that finishes dead last twice in a row should have a roster filled with high picks and young players 3 years later. We'll look even better in a year with as of right now 7 picks in the first 5 rounds and perhaps more. IMO we should keep all of them and have 1 more draft of multiple high picks just to cement the foundation so to speak. I agree completely. We should try and stock pile even more picks through trades this year. You'd think there stands a good chance Grant would be decent trade bait at xmas and if Terenzio shows well, that Corbeil would fetch a decent return as well. I say keep keep the picks coming. I'm not saying trade those guys for JUST picks alone, but stockpiling picks is never a bad idea. And with those picks you can either use them or trade them. I would have no problems in doing what Cam did this year, and that is, have picks and simply use them. There was a lot of speculation about trades this year, but when it all boiled down, we just selected good players with the picks we had. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If we can add to the pile of picks we already have for next year, then we would be over stocked with assets to use in trades, all the while securing a decent amount of talent to avoid seasons like we had the last 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 20:08:07 GMT -4
We'll look even better in a year with as of right now 7 picks in the first 5 rounds and perhaps more. IMO we should keep all of them and have 1 more draft of multiple high picks just to cement the foundation so to speak. I agree completely. We should try and stock pile even more picks through trades this year. You'd think there stands a good chance Grant would be decent trade bait at xmas and if Terenzio shows well, that Corbeil would fetch a decent return as well. I say keep keep the picks coming. I'm not saying trade those guys for JUST picks alone, but stockpiling picks is never a bad idea. And with those picks you can either use them or trade them. I would have no problems in doing what Cam did this year, and that is, have picks and simply use them. There was a lot of speculation about trades this year, but when it all boiled down, we just selected good players with the picks we had. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If we can add to the pile of picks we already have for next year, then we would be over stocked with assets to use in trades, all the while securing a decent amount of talent to avoid seasons like we had the last 2 years. To be quite honest there is a good argument that says you don't want too many draft picks as kids may get stuck where they don't get enough ice time to develop. I don't consider us there yet as it would take next year's draft, where I assume we would draft mostly 16 year olds who aside from the top picks could be sent down to play top minutes in midget, plus the 2012 draft which is where we could conceivably get to that point. Obviously at some point you want your team to go for it but I really think that we need 1, but probably 2 more drafts before we could do it and not set us too far back the season after.
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Post by offside on Jun 30, 2010 20:16:15 GMT -4
Would not count Wigginton out by any means saw him skating with some other guys prob Jr age guys and he was sick . Also of note he is listed as 5'11 182 on the moose site he is more like 6'2 215 ish now. he is my sleeper pick to make this years team
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Post by lalalaprise on Jun 30, 2010 20:27:06 GMT -4
Would not count Wigginton out by any means saw him skating with some other guys prob Jr age guys and he was sick . Also of note he is listed as 5'11 182 on the moose site he is more like 6'2 215 ish now. he is my sleeper pick to make this years team So youre telling me Andrew Wigginton was 5'11 at age 15, 16, 17 and 18 and all of a sudden he grew 3 inches and added 35 lbs no less?? Riiiiiiiiight When Halifax acquired him from Bathurst last year for a 9th rd pick in 2011 I thought it was a good move....but have you not seen some of those players listed on the 3rd, 4th and 5th lines?? If Wigginton is going to make Halifax he has to play top 2 lines or its worthless carrying a 19 year old on the bottom 2 lines. He could still land in the league somewheres, I think he is more than capable, but I doubt its with Halifax.
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Post by howitzer on Jun 30, 2010 20:27:34 GMT -4
I agree completely. We should try and stock pile even more picks through trades this year. You'd think there stands a good chance Grant would be decent trade bait at xmas and if Terenzio shows well, that Corbeil would fetch a decent return as well. I say keep keep the picks coming. I'm not saying trade those guys for JUST picks alone, but stockpiling picks is never a bad idea. And with those picks you can either use them or trade them. I would have no problems in doing what Cam did this year, and that is, have picks and simply use them. There was a lot of speculation about trades this year, but when it all boiled down, we just selected good players with the picks we had. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If we can add to the pile of picks we already have for next year, then we would be over stocked with assets to use in trades, all the while securing a decent amount of talent to avoid seasons like we had the last 2 years. To be quite honest there is a good argument that says you don't want too many draft picks as kids may get stuck where they don't get enough ice time to develop. I don't consider us there yet as it would take next year's draft, where I assume we would draft mostly 16 year olds who aside from the top picks could be sent down to play top minutes in midget, plus the 2012 draft which is where we could conceivably get to that point. Obviously at some point you want your team to go for it but I really think that we need 1, but probably 2 more drafts before we could do it and not set us too far back the season after. Oh ya, you cant stockpile picks forever. But often times teams want players not just picks in trades, so whats the harm in using the picks you have, even if down the road you know there stands a good chance you might trade that player.
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