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Post by justmy02 on Sept 6, 2010 19:24:25 GMT -4
what i was noticing was that even though the passing was looking better, they were often making 1 pass too many. especially when they were down a few goals. they should have just started hammering the puck at the net and have someone crashing it. they were trying to get too cute.
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Post by Darkside on Sept 7, 2010 10:34:06 GMT -4
A few thoughts from Sunday's game:
Corbeil's stats weren't flattering by any means but I don't think he was beat clean on any of the goals. They were either bang-bang empty netters or deflections/scrambles in front. Obviously we need him to make some of those saves but his head was probably already at NHL camp. I'll give him a pass on that one. He was outstanding at times last year, let's not forget he does have the potential to be a great goaltender.
Bishop looked lost and over his head out there. I noticed him making bad plays early in the first and paid special attention to him all day and he was just brutal every shift. I think he should be affiliated and we should be giving his minutes to Desmarais, who seems to have a lot more skill/hockey sense.
Amyot looks like he's destined to be my whipping boy. The guy just does not look like a veteran out there. I don't know if he's just coasting through pre-season (he was effective down the stretch last year) but if he doesn't step it up, he's going to take a lot of heat this year, especially if he's given the 'C'. Other than Bishop, he's been our least impressive dman, and that's pretty sad as a 20 year old on a young team.
I really like the intensity Lemieux is bringing this year. He didn't stand out to me last year and I kind of thought he was a bit of a bust, but he seems to be much faster and stronger this year. We need a few guys to be gritty, so i'm glad he's stepping up for that role.
Andrew Ryan made me a fan on his on Sunday. That kid can flat out fly. I thought from the intersquad games that he might be in over his head, but he looked great in pre-season and was probably the best forward on the ice Sunday. His speed is going to be a huge asset.
Ashley looks a little weak out there. He might need to put on some muscle before he's totally effective at this level. His shot doesn't seem very hard and he gets bumped off the puck quite a bit. Could have just been the couple of times I noticed him out there.
I really wish we could have found room for Warner on this team. I am a firm believer in the intimidation side of hockey and I think every team benefits from having an agitator/pest and Warner did that job well. I know spots were at a premium and Souligny is more skilled and has more upside, but I feel like there's a little too much talent and not enough grit on this team. Time will tell I guess.
I heard rumours before camp started that this Souligny kid was tough as nails and was not to be messed with. This was from someone with the team. Where is that side of his game? I like the fact he has a decent skill set and can put up numbers, but we have more than enough skilled players on this team and I was expecting him to come in and make his presence felt. I guess, as usual, i'm disappointed with the lack of intensity/heart in today's game. For a kid like him (or Warner/Davis) it's pretty clear at this stage of your career you're not going to make it as a pro scoring goals, so why wouldn't you want to get yourself some exposure/talk by being the guy nobody wants a piece of? Look at what that attitude did for Sawyer Hannay's career last year.
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Post by lalalaprise on Sept 7, 2010 10:39:41 GMT -4
I really wish we could have found room for Warner on this team. I am a firm believer in the intimidation side of hockey and I think every team benefits from having an agitator/pest and Warner did that job well. I know spots were at a premium and Souligny is more skilled and has more upside, but I feel like there's a little too much talent and not enough grit on this team. Time will tell I guess. I heard rumours before camp started that this Souligny kid was tough as nails and was not to be messed with. This was from someone with the team. Where is that side of his game? I like the fact he has a decent skill set and can put up numbers, but we have more than enough skilled players on this team and I was expecting him to come in and make his presence felt. I guess, as usual, i'm disappointed with the lack of intensity/heart in today's game. For a kid like him (or Warner/Davis) it's pretty clear at this stage of your career you're not going to make it as a pro scoring goals, so why wouldn't you want to get yourself some exposure/talk by being the guy nobody wants a piece of? Look at what that attitude did for Sawyer Hannay's career last year. Who does Warner intimidate? Hes a yapper....a pest...he isnt going to scare people. Im a fan of Warner, but you have to be realistic. Speaking of realistic....whoever talked to you about Souligny either wasnt sure what they were saying or you mis interpreted their statements. He is a gritty player, but he isnt a fighter...he is a guy who does the battling on the boards and the grunt work, he isnt going to throw down like Davis or Warner. Like I said before camp...Souligny was getting zero respect in most of the mock lineups and people were having unrealistic expectations for Warner and Davis. Souligny is Q caliber in terms of size, grit, work ethic, hands and hockey sense....Davis and Warner are one dimensional players.
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Post by Darkside on Sept 7, 2010 10:58:42 GMT -4
Warner isn't going to intimidate anybody but he will get other players off their games and thinking about him. He wasn't hesitant to fight like most pests. I liked his game and we really have no one to fill that role. Hannay will fight but he's not a pest and Clarke is our best dman, we don't need him getting punched in the face every night. Like I said, I realize roster spots are at a premium this year, but I am a little worried we will be too easy to play against.
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Post by melly on Sept 7, 2010 11:30:47 GMT -4
A few thoughts from Sunday's game: Corbeil's stats weren't flattering by any means but I don't think he was beat clean on any of the goals. They were either bang-bang empty netters or deflections/scrambles in front. Obviously we need him to make some of those saves but his head was probably already at NHL camp. I'll give him a pass on that one. He was outstanding at times last year, let's not forget he does have the potential to be a great goaltender. Bishop looked lost and over his head out there. I noticed him making bad plays early in the first and paid special attention to him all day and he was just brutal every shift. I think he should be affiliated and we should be giving his minutes to Desmarais, who seems to have a lot more skill/hockey sense. Amyot looks like he's destined to be my whipping boy. The guy just does not look like a veteran out there. I don't know if he's just coasting through pre-season (he was effective down the stretch last year) but if he doesn't step it up, he's going to take a lot of heat this year, especially if he's given the 'C'. Other than Bishop, he's been our least impressive dman, and that's pretty sad as a 20 year old on a young team. I really like the intensity Lemieux is bringing this year. He didn't stand out to me last year and I kind of thought he was a bit of a bust, but he seems to be much faster and stronger this year. We need a few guys to be gritty, so i'm glad he's stepping up for that role. Andrew Ryan made me a fan on his on Sunday. That kid can flat out fly. I thought from the intersquad games that he might be in over his head, but he looked great in pre-season and was probably the best forward on the ice Sunday. His speed is going to be a huge asset. Ashley looks a little weak out there. He might need to put on some muscle before he's totally effective at this level. His shot doesn't seem very hard and he gets bumped off the puck quite a bit. Could have just been the couple of times I noticed him out there. I really wish we could have found room for Warner on this team. I am a firm believer in the intimidation side of hockey and I think every team benefits from having an agitator/pest and Warner did that job well. I know spots were at a premium and Souligny is more skilled and has more upside, but I feel like there's a little too much talent and not enough grit on this team. Time will tell I guess. I heard rumours before camp started that this Souligny kid was tough as nails and was not to be messed with. This was from someone with the team. Where is that side of his game? I like the fact he has a decent skill set and can put up numbers, but we have more than enough skilled players on this team and I was expecting him to come in and make his presence felt. I guess, as usual, i'm disappointed with the lack of intensity/heart in today's game. For a kid like him (or Warner/Davis) it's pretty clear at this stage of your career you're not going to make it as a pro scoring goals, so why wouldn't you want to get yourself some exposure/talk by being the guy nobody wants a piece of? Look at what that attitude did for Sawyer Hannay's career last year. I posted an earlier comment about Amyot, and was promptly told it was pre-season and he will likely step up for the regular season. Well I can't imagine any player is willing to embarass himself out there for the sake of cruising through the pre-season. He is a 20 year old and there was 4 18 year olds that were heads and tails better then him on Sunday. I believe it was the 7th or 8th goal, he was so lacklustre the PEI player just took the puck from him and scored on Terenzio. A 20 year old D who is no better than the 5th best D, is a waste of that 20 spot, and a drain on potential ice time of a youngster. I am not blindly shitting on Amyot, he seriously needs to step up. Once again, he doesn't hit that hard, doesn't fight, not particularly strong in his own end, and has developed a confidence problem with handling the puck... so we keep him why?
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Post by Darkside on Sept 7, 2010 11:42:35 GMT -4
I agree with all of that but i'm willing to give him a pass on the preseason. Although Cam did say that nobody had a spot on this team and everybody would have to earn it, and honestly if the players had no names or ages, he would have been cut early. But i'm not just hating on the kid, he was one of our best dmen last season and I hope he can turn it around.
I forgot to mention Boudreau. He does not look good. His skating is pretty bad, and that's going to really hurt him at this level. He may be good on the pp, but 5 on 5 he's invisible out there. Potential bust? I think of our 17 and younger forwards, he's on the bottom of the totem pole. He didn't look ready last year but maybe we should have kept him to work on his weaknesses.
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Post by crash on Sept 7, 2010 11:57:35 GMT -4
I agree with all of that but i'm willing to give him a pass on the preseason. Although Cam did say that nobody had a spot on this team and everybody would have to earn it, and honestly if the players had no names or ages, he would have been cut early. But i'm not just hating on the kid, he was one of our best dmen last season and I hope he can turn it around. I forgot to mention Boudreau. He does not look good. His skating is pretty bad, and that's going to really hurt him at this level. He may be good on the pp, but 5 on 5 he's invisible out there. Potential bust? I think of our 17 and younger forwards, he's on the bottom of the totem pole. He didn't look ready last year but maybe we should have kept him to work on his weaknesses. The Mooseheads wanted to keep him when they brought him up at Christmas, but he apparently thought going for the scoring championship back in midget would further his development more than playing for the Moose. If he doesn't step up, and Souligny, Ryan and Turbide keep playing as well as they have been, he could see alot of the press box this fall, and be gone at Christmas.
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Post by canbeer on Sept 7, 2010 13:04:56 GMT -4
Preseason guys... doesn't mean a ton.
Souligy - Turbide - Ryan will not be our #1 line.
Randell and Andrew will won't be in the stands despite being largely invisible during camp and not picking up one point in preseason play.
Amyot and Abeltshauser will be our starting pair on D.
Preseason...
As for Boudreau I hope he plays 50ish games this year... I see a lot of intelligence in him and he has some great offensive potential. There was some talk about how this team had a lot of shooters and not many natural playmaking guys, I think Boudreau could be very good in that role down the road.
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Post by howitzer on Sept 7, 2010 15:26:51 GMT -4
I agree with all of that but i'm willing to give him a pass on the preseason. Although Cam did say that nobody had a spot on this team and everybody would have to earn it, and honestly if the players had no names or ages, he would have been cut early. But i'm not just hating on the kid, he was one of our best dmen last season and I hope he can turn it around. I forgot to mention Boudreau. He does not look good. His skating is pretty bad, and that's going to really hurt him at this level. He may be good on the pp, but 5 on 5 he's invisible out there. Potential bust? I think of our 17 and younger forwards, he's on the bottom of the totem pole. He didn't look ready last year but maybe we should have kept him to work on his weaknesses. A little quick with the bust label aren't we? Boudreau's played 5 games in the league, plus a handful of pre-season games. He's nowhere near a bust. He has some things he needs to work on, but he's also got some tools that could make him a very good player in the league. Give the kid a chance. Plus it's not like we took him with a top 5 pick. He was a 3rd rounder, so maybe expectations are a little unrealistic at this point for him. And I'm not sure how you figured Lemieux could be a bust. Like Boudreau he was a 3rd rounder, but he wasn't drafted as a scorer. He's a 3rd line, energy, character type. How did you think he was a possible bust by watching him last year? He had a typical rookie season. Nothing spectacular, but he held his own, played his role well. He's made some great improvements so far this year.
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Post by Darkside on Sept 7, 2010 15:53:33 GMT -4
Wow, are we not allowed to generate discussion here?
I never said he was a bust. I questioned if he could be a potential bust because his skating is not good and that's the most common problem for highly touted midget scorers trying to make the jump to the Q. I'm just saying it doesn't look like he's going to come in and make an impact on this team. As a Mooseheads fan I hope i'm wrong but I try to look at things objectively.
Bottom line is some of our young guys are not going to reach their potential. It's not impossible that all of them will exceed expectations but as lala said, let's be realistic. And right now Boudreau looks the least impressive. That's all.
As for Lemieux, I didn't notice him much last year and I expected he would get lost in the shuffle of all this new young skill we have this year. I honestly thought he was going to be on the bubble to even make the team in my mind before the camp started. He was the only guy that I didn't have memories of showing any flashes of greatness last year, but that's probably his style. I guess I thought MacDonald had more upside and would steal his spot. But as I said, he's really stepped up his intensity this year and was one of our better forwards on Sunday. Good on him.
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Post by howitzer on Sept 7, 2010 16:36:57 GMT -4
Wow, are we not allowed to generate discussion here? I never said he was a bust. I questioned if he could be a potential bust because his skating is not good and that's the most common problem for highly touted midget scorers trying to make the jump to the Q. I'm just saying it doesn't look like he's going to come in and make an impact on this team. As a Mooseheads fan I hope i'm wrong but I try to look at things objectively. Bottom line is some of our young guys are not going to reach their potential. It's not impossible that all of them will exceed expectations but as lala said, let's be realistic. And right now Boudreau looks the least impressive. That's all. As for Lemieux, I didn't notice him much last year and I expected he would get lost in the shuffle of all this new young skill we have this year. I honestly thought he was going to be on the bubble to even make the team in my mind before the camp started. He was the only guy that I didn't have memories of showing any flashes of greatness last year, but that's probably his style. I guess I thought MacDonald had more upside and would steal his spot. But as I said, he's really stepped up his intensity this year and was one of our better forwards on Sunday. Good on him. Feel free to discuss. I thought that's what I was doing, but maybe not. Your opinion is your opinion. Who knows, maybe Boudreau does nothing in the league. All I'm saying is I don't like when that "bust" word gets attached to a player who has yet to have an opportunity to show what he can do. Whether talking about Boudreau or any other player.
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Post by lalalaprise on Sept 7, 2010 16:56:43 GMT -4
I agree with Howitzer, its pre-mature calling him a bust at this point, but i think he is closer to being a 'bust' than a top line guy...I just dont see it with him, never have. Hes got skills and hockey sense, but hes useless along the boards and his skating is sub-par, he isnt explosive and looks sluggish.
Hes the kind of guy who would look sick in pond hockey but put him in game situations and he will disappear.
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