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Post by elementz on Oct 7, 2010 9:06:12 GMT -4
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Post by Gman on Oct 7, 2010 11:28:15 GMT -4
I feel bad that they are putting so much effort into this because I think they have about as much chance as Halifax. I think the next one will be in Shawinigan or SJ. The only debate is which... Will the Eagles even have a team capable of competing at the cup in 2012? |
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Post by christopher on Oct 7, 2010 11:32:30 GMT -4
I feel bad that they are putting so much effort into this because I think they have about as much chance as Halifax. I think the next one will be in Shawinigan or SJ. The only debate is which... Will the Eagles even have a team capable of competing at the cup in 2012? No. |
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Post by juliansteed on Oct 7, 2010 11:39:33 GMT -4
I feel bad that they are putting so much effort into this because I think they have about as much chance as Halifax. I think the next one will be in Shawinigan or SJ. The only debate is which... Will the Eagles even have a team capable of competing at the cup in 2012? No. Otherwise I don't think their chances would be all that bad. But I wonder if Cape Breton (along with Halifax) aren't really bidding for 2015 or 2018. |
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Post by twogirlsoneboy on Oct 7, 2010 12:14:12 GMT -4
The Eagles will not contend for a Memorial Cup. Their last first rounder is Logan Shaw 2 or 3 years ago and none again this year which would have been a beauty pick. This team will not play .500 hockey for the next 4 years anyway. I know, let sign Mario to another contract as GM. He is doing great!!!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 7, 2010 12:33:34 GMT -4
Long said the Screaming Eagles' promotions are good, but added that branding is only one part of a strong bid. "There's no question Cape Breton is making a lot of noise and having a lot of community engagement," Long said. "But that's not what wins a bid. "It's about preparation, being thorough, having our numbers in order. I'm comfortable with where we're at right now." You know your bid has no shot when the competition isn't at all worried. Yet again our President embarrasses himself with the following comment...."The team has to show that it's capable of being competitive at the Memorial Cup," MacDonald said. "We have a great track record (of hosting events) and our job now is to let everybody know that we have had success here in hosting major events." When will this guy realize that being competitive on the ice has NOTHING to do with any track record the area has? It's mind blowing to constantly read the stuff this guy says in other papers without anyone questioning him on it. We gave our main competition our top trade asset for fuck sakes, I think that says enough about our chances. |
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Post by hal on Oct 17, 2010 16:32:10 GMT -4
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Post by looneytunes on Oct 17, 2010 17:31:08 GMT -4
WOW................................... If it was such a long step by step / planned project then why the hell did they go for it last year , and I just mean why if they wanted to host this in 2012 and not the more obvious reasons of getting out in the 1st rd for sure , you could have half a brain and still realize that would have been a bad decision....
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Post by Reesor on Oct 17, 2010 17:52:42 GMT -4
I must admit Cape Breton seems to be going all out with their bid. Getting the fans involved and promoting stories on their bid can only do good for this bid and future bids.
There has not been 1 peep out of Moosehead brass about our bid. That could come back to bite us in 2015 and beyond if we don't show interest.
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Post by Clubber Lang on Oct 17, 2010 19:49:22 GMT -4
Long said the Screaming Eagles' promotions are good, but added that branding is only one part of a strong bid. "There's no question Cape Breton is making a lot of noise and having a lot of community engagement," Long said. "But that's not what wins a bid. "It's about preparation, being thorough, having our numbers in order. I'm comfortable with where we're at right now." You know your bid has no shot when the competition isn't at all worried. Yet again our President embarrasses himself with the following comment...."The team has to show that it's capable of being competitive at the Memorial Cup," MacDonald said. "We have a great track record (of hosting events) and our job now is to let everybody know that we have had success here in hosting major events." When will this guy realize that being competitive on the ice has NOTHING to do with any track record the area has? It's mind blowing to constantly read the stuff this guy says in other papers without anyone questioning him on it. We gave our main competition our top trade asset for fuck sakes, I think that says enough about our chances. They might end up winning the bid and not even make the playoffs next year. That would be a first |
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Post by ballzz on Oct 17, 2010 20:13:54 GMT -4
I must admit Cape Breton seems to be going all out with their bid. Getting the fans involved and promoting stories on their bid can only do good for this bid and future bids. There has not been 1 peep out of Moosehead brass about our bid. That could come back to bite us in 2015 and beyond if we don't show interest. Maybe Halifax really wants Cape Breton to win and then if the Eagles play anywhere near as bad as people are predicting they can come in and say we can give it a go at a moments notice. It is not unheard of for a team to win the hosting rights and then lose them because they can't ice a competitive team although I don't believe it has happened in a long time. |
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Post by Deer on Oct 17, 2010 21:52:03 GMT -4
I must admit Cape Breton seems to be going all out with their bid. Getting the fans involved and promoting stories on their bid can only do good for this bid and future bids. There has not been 1 peep out of Moosehead brass about our bid. That could come back to bite us in 2015 and beyond if we don't show interest. Maybe Halifax really wants Cape Breton to win and then if the Eagles play anywhere near as bad as people are predicting they can come in and say we can give it a go at a moments notice. It is not unheard of for a team to win the hosting rights and then lose them because they can't ice a competitive team although I don't believe it has happened in a long time. I think it happened in 1990. I think Hamilton was supposed to host, but were too horrible....... the tournament was still held in Hamilton, but the team couldn't participate - they added the OHL runner-up instead. |
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Post by brec7 on Oct 18, 2010 4:06:06 GMT -4
To keep this thread in perspective we have to keep in mind what exactly we mean by "competitive". To me the biggest worry with hosting the Memorial Cup would be the damage done to the franchise AFTER the 2012 season. I think the Eagles of next year could put together a team on par with some previous Memorial Cup hosts. Let's not forget that when Halifax hosted, they picked up something like 6 or 7 players in trades and still got swept in round 2 of the playoffs. (And the year before Ottawa lost in round 2 of the playoffs, and WON the Memorial Cup- pretty big farce in my opinion.) Quebec in 2003 also lost in round 2 if I'm not mistaken and made a lot of changes to their team as well. For as much of a trainwreck as this year's team is, in the short term, this is as bad as it should get. Looking at the roster, we currently have 3 20 year olds and 4 19 year olds. Let's assume Hertzberg either goes pro or the team just decides they don't want to keep a 20 year Euro. That means the players leaving the roster would Metcalfe, Horyl, MacDougal, and Hertzberg. In other words, we'd be losing a guy who'd be a fringe dman on a contender, a guy who's only played 4 games, a guy who had only 4 points before today's game... and Hertzberg. Hertzberg is the only one who's contributions would really be missed there. I think the development of the rest of the roster, plus the strength of bringing in another Euro would improve the team. Also, usually when teams host the Memorial Cup, they often have a few players fall into their lap who will report just because they know they'll have a chance at the Cup. All that being said... simply not embarassing itself is not exactly something the organisation should be striving for. This team I think could definitely be upgraded to a slightly above average team for next season if it was NECESSARY... however the prospects of the seasons following would be quite ugly. It's been quite funny to actually sit back and observe the Memorial Cup bid. If you don't actually look at the player personnel, the team has done a fantastic job- lots of community involvement, a snappy looking logo, and much initiative and drive. However, in the real world as JB points out, that on ice product kind of matters.  And while I outlined that CB could ice a reasonably competitive team in 11-12, why wouldn't the league choose one of the bids that could ice a team actually capable of winning? You could almost say that the organisation has become a really extravagant used car salesman- the Memorial Cup pitch itself is tremendous but the product being sold is questionable. There is the theory that this is just a "preparation" bid and that the real target is 2015, but I don't buy that. I think it would be real tough to have all this hoopla, lose the bid, and then try to generate the same in the community next time around. And secondly, even if you don't expect to win it, you still have to prepare as if you will- which means having a team that you can EXPECT to win, not just a team that will be competitive but lose 3 one goal games. Saint John winning the bid could have serious repercussions. If the league awards it to them, I do NOT see the Memorial Cup coming back to the Maritimes in 2015. That means we're waiting for 2018... and don't rule out by that time St. John's having a strong franchise in the league that's ready to compete (don't forget Halifax hosted in their 5th season.) Also in 2018 the league could be willing to award it back to Halifax, although I think that would be a bad idea- IMO there should be a minimum standard for Cup hosts and as long as there are teams that fit that standard that haven't hosted, it shouldn't go back to teams that already have. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 6:40:07 GMT -4
To keep this thread in perspective we have to keep in mind what exactly we mean by "competitive". To me the biggest worry with hosting the Memorial Cup would be the damage done to the franchise AFTER the 2012 season. I think the Eagles of next year could put together a team on par with some previous Memorial Cup hosts. Let's not forget that when Halifax hosted, they picked up something like 6 or 7 players in trades and still got swept in round 2 of the playoffs. (And the year before Ottawa lost in round 2 of the playoffs, and WON the Memorial Cup- pretty big farce in my opinion.) Quebec in 2003 also lost in round 2 if I'm not mistaken and made a lot of changes to their team as well. For as much of a trainwreck as this year's team is, in the short term, this is as bad as it should get. Looking at the roster, we currently have 3 20 year olds and 4 19 year olds. Let's assume Hertzberg either goes pro or the team just decides they don't want to keep a 20 year Euro. That means the players leaving the roster would Metcalfe, Horyl, MacDougal, and Hertzberg. In other words, we'd be losing a guy who'd be a fringe dman on a contender, a guy who's only played 4 games, a guy who had only 4 points before today's game... and Hertzberg. Hertzberg is the only one who's contributions would really be missed there. I think the development of the rest of the roster, plus the strength of bringing in another Euro would improve the team. Also, usually when teams host the Memorial Cup, they often have a few players fall into their lap who will report just because they know they'll have a chance at the Cup. All that being said... simply not embarassing itself is not exactly something the organisation should be striving for. This team I think could definitely be upgraded to a slightly above average team for next season if it was NECESSARY... however the prospects of the seasons following would be quite ugly. It's been quite funny to actually sit back and observe the Memorial Cup bid. If you don't actually look at the player personnel, the team has done a fantastic job- lots of community involvement, a snappy looking logo, and much initiative and drive. However, in the real world as JB points out, that on ice product kind of matters. And while I outlined that CB could ice a reasonably competitive team in 11-12, why wouldn't the league choose one of the bids that could ice a team actually capable of winning? You could almost say that the organisation has become a really extravagant used car salesman- the Memorial Cup pitch itself is tremendous but the product being sold is questionable. There is the theory that this is just a "preparation" bid and that the real target is 2015, but I don't buy that. I think it would be real tough to have all this hoopla, lose the bid, and then try to generate the same in the community next time around. And secondly, even if you don't expect to win it, you still have to prepare as if you will- which means having a team that you can EXPECT to win, not just a team that will be competitive but lose 3 one goal games. Saint John winning the bid could have serious repercussions. If the league awards it to them, I do NOT see the Memorial Cup coming back to the Maritimes in 2015. That means we're waiting for 2018... and don't rule out by that time St. John's having a strong franchise in the league that's ready to compete (don't forget Halifax hosted in their 5th season.) Also in 2018 the league could be willing to award it back to Halifax, although I think that would be a bad idea- IMO there should be a minimum standard for Cup hosts and as long as there are teams that fit that standard that haven't hosted, it shouldn't go back to teams that already have. So how long do teams such as Halifax, Moncton, Quebec and Gatineau have to wait until they can host again? 20 years, 50 years, never??? |
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Post by Reesor on Oct 18, 2010 6:41:07 GMT -4
Although I am a little Biased towards the Moose, I do agree that cities that haven't hosted the Mem cup should have priority. That's why I picked either 2021 or 2024 for the Moose to host again. I belive Saint John, Shawinigan, and Cape Breton are ahead of the Moose on the priority chart. You could even put Gatineau in that list, since they last hosted in 1997. Plus I'd like to see the Herd get there legit. 16 years in the league and no President's cup title  |
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And while I outlined that CB could ice a reasonably competitive team in 11-12, why wouldn't the league choose one of the bids that could ice a team actually capable of winning? You could almost say that the organisation has become a really extravagant used car salesman- the Memorial Cup pitch itself is tremendous but the product being sold is questionable.
