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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 30, 2012 12:42:01 GMT -4
Has anyone thought about what will happen this year if there is no NHL Season and how this will effect the 2013 NHL Entry Draft and Nathan MacKinnon and the rest of the prospects. Are we going to have a closed door, lottery pick. Conspiracey theories abound regarding the lottery pick "won" by the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Being a Flyers fan I am very interested in how this was done last time, and why there wasn't a more open public process for the lottery when this was done and especially when Crosby was the Prize. Why was this done behind closed doors? How will they decide who gets how many balls, if it is a lottery draw. Does Edmonton have a chance of getting the first pick again? Just wanted to know people's thoughts on this.
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 30, 2012 12:46:07 GMT -4
I could have swore it was public. The formula was one ball for every team, then a bonus ball for every season in the (can't remember if it was 3 or 5) seasons previous where the team missed the playoffs AND did not pick 1st overall.
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Post by Citris on Aug 30, 2012 12:49:40 GMT -4
Here's a better question. If there's an NHL lockout will you immediately begin supporting the NHL again? Sad fact of the matter is 99% + of fans will, meaning Betman and the NHL will go completely unpunished for treating us, the fans, like dirt.... again.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 30, 2012 12:51:59 GMT -4
From an old thread on HF, last time there were two criteria:
1) Missed the playoffs in each of the previous 3 seasons. 2) Didn't have the 1st overall selection over the last 4 drafts.
If you met both criteria, you got 3 balls. If you made the playoffs only once OR had the 1st overall only once, you got 2 balls. If you had two or more of any combination of those two (playoff appearances or 1st overalls), then you only got 1 ball.
By these rules, Edmonton would only have one ball
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 30, 2012 12:53:45 GMT -4
I think it's moot though, since while I DON'T think we start the NHL season on time, I DO think there is a 2012-13 season, so there will be a regular lottery instead. which I think needs to change, too, but that's another topic altogether.
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Post by Citris on Aug 30, 2012 12:54:58 GMT -4
From an old thread on HF, last time there were two criteria: 1) Missed the playoffs in each of the previous 3 seasons. 2) Didn't have the 1st overall selection over the last 4 drafts. If you met both criteria, you got 3 balls. If you made the playoffs only once OR had the 1st overall only once, you got 2 balls. If you had two or more of any combination of those two (playoff appearances or 1st overalls), then you only got 1 ball. By these rules, Edmonton would only have one ball Wait a second. The lottery was done with the first ball being picked as the 30th pick, and the last ball being the 1st pick. Wouldn't 3 balls be a disadvantage? Or was the TV thing just bullshit?
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Post by Citris on Aug 30, 2012 12:56:12 GMT -4
I think it's moot though, since while I DON'T think we start the NHL season on time, I DO think there is a 2012-13 season, so there will be a regular lottery instead. which I think needs to change, too, but that's another topic altogether. What you don't think Financially stable steams should be rewarded for sucking ass? PFFT. crazy concept.
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 30, 2012 12:58:11 GMT -4
From an old thread on HF, last time there were two criteria: 1) Missed the playoffs in each of the previous 3 seasons. 2) Didn't have the 1st overall selection over the last 4 drafts. If you met both criteria, you got 3 balls. If you made the playoffs only once OR had the 1st overall only once, you got 2 balls. If you had two or more of any combination of those two (playoff appearances or 1st overalls), then you only got 1 ball. By these rules, Edmonton would only have one ball Wait a second. The lottery was done with the first ball being picked as the 30th pick, and the last ball being the 1st pick. Wouldn't 3 balls be a disadvantage? Or was the TV thing just bullshit? They drew from 1-30 but revealed from 30-1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2012 13:09:53 GMT -4
Would this not be the format; same one that was used in 2005? If so here's how it would go.
TEAMS WITH THREE BALLS (7) Calgary, Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, Minnesota, Toronto, Winnipeg
TEAMS WITH TWO BALLS (6) Anaheim, Colorado, Florida, New York (I), St. Louis, Tampa Bay
TEAMS WITH ONE BALL (17) Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Detroit, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Montreal, Nashville, New Jersey, New York (R), Ottawa, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Vancouver, Washington
Having three balls sounds like a disadvantage, but it's good as you can see teams that have 3 balls aren't very good, recently.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Aug 30, 2012 13:09:58 GMT -4
I think it's moot though, since while I DON'T think we start the NHL season on time, I DO think there is a 2012-13 season, so there will be a regular lottery instead. which I think needs to change, too, but that's another topic altogether. What you don't think Financially stable steams should be rewarded for sucking ass? PFFT. crazy concept. No, but I don't necessarily think financially struggling teams should be handed top prospects to get their business affairs in order either. A number of elements could go into it: - All non-playoff teams have a (weighted) chance at first overall. Have the lottery determine the entire order, like the NBA does - Teams who picked first overall can't do so again for three years. If they win the lottery, they pick at two. - Teams who did not make the playoffs but improved their point total by ten or more get bonus balls, do encourage even marginal improvement among rebuilding teams.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2012 13:11:15 GMT -4
Here's a better question. If there's an NHL lockout will you immediately begin supporting the NHL again? Sad fact of the matter is 99% + of fans will, meaning Betman and the NHL will go completely unpunished for treating us, the fans, like dirt.... again. Let's build back the market we had in States... Ah fuck it, let's get rid of that and destroy our work getting hockey back in America and on TV there again. Lock it out!
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Post by catnut on Aug 30, 2012 13:15:05 GMT -4
Having three balls sounds like a disadvantage, but it's good as you can see Thought that would be uncomfortable.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 30, 2012 13:23:27 GMT -4
I think the odds of anything more than a 2-3 week delay are very long. In 2005 the NHL was trying to establish a totally new system with a slary cap and Goodenow had the players convinced that the NHL would cave and they didn't which basically had the players coming back on their hands and knees the following spring after Goodenow was axed.
Yeah they are a fair bit apart on the final numbers, but conceptually they are pretty much on the same page, to me the players not trying to "overthrow" the salary cap decreases the odds of a long stoppage IMHO. I see both sides meeting in the middle in the next 2-4 weeks.
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 30, 2012 13:34:57 GMT -4
No, they aren't. The media is doing a good job of spinning things, but the players aren't talking FA (which is required to have a CBA) and offered the exact deal they are playing on.
The NHL is trying to move the financial sphere so that the cap is more dependant on profit (by redefining revenue), while the NHLPA wants as much of the revenue as humanly possible. So far, there hasn't been an offer that would actually lead to a deal.
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Post by fireball on Aug 30, 2012 14:00:27 GMT -4
I am happy with two balls thank you ! Also my wish is MacKinnon gets picked by the Edmonton Oilers !! Nothing is impossible.
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