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Post by defresh101 on Apr 1, 2015 10:56:00 GMT -4
It seems a shame at this point - Drouin getting sat out and doing 3/4 line work. Should have been returned to the Moose... Just because he didn't destroy with Tampa you think he should be in the CHL? That is the problem with Moose fans, they care more about seeing him in a Moosehead uniform, regardless if he has outgrown the Q. Moosehead fans route against these guys, just like they routed against Ehlers making the NHL. Moosehead fans think they know what is best for the player. Embarrassing! I didn't catch it what fans don't want STAR players to move on. I think you mention it in your post but can't find it.
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2015 11:12:24 GMT -4
Defresh, I can't remember if people explicitly said they hope he is returned, but if you read the posts at the time, it wasn't hard to read between the lines.
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Post by defresh101 on Apr 1, 2015 12:05:30 GMT -4
I agree with you but you can at least say SOME Mooseheads fans. Or some fans it just seems bait to much when you generalize.
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Post by catnut on Apr 1, 2015 13:17:01 GMT -4
Or some fans it just seems bait to much when you generalize. He wouldn't post at all if he didn't try to bait people.
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2015 14:09:57 GMT -4
Or some fans it just seems bait to much when you generalize. He wouldn't post at all if he didn't try to bait people. If you guys are comfortable believing that then I'm comfortable with that. Another words, think what you wish.
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Post by Critical Eye on May 17, 2015 17:28:00 GMT -4
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Post by bois on May 18, 2015 8:23:47 GMT -4
maybe this thread can be restarted
will Jonathan Drouin play in the NHL next season? lol
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 18, 2015 11:00:15 GMT -4
maybe this thread can be restarted will Jonathan Drouin play in the NHL next season? lol I hope this example can be used as another reason why we need an exception for elite players that allows them to play AHL at 19. Even if it's top 5, top 10, or 1st round in general any rule that allows these elite 19's to play at 19 will benefit all. What's weird is that the OHL is letting in players not even necessarily exceptional at 15 but the NHL sees no reason to change a rule that will allow some of the most elite 19yr olds to play professionally at a level more suitable for their skillset then junior is. Another thing to remember is that Seguin was a healthy scratch for 2 rounds for Boston in 2011.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 18, 2015 11:38:01 GMT -4
Playoff hockey is a different beast, no reason to change rules for such a minor situation. If GMs cant GM properly or coaches cant manage their roster its not the CHLs problem or should it become one for the CHL.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 18, 2015 12:06:44 GMT -4
Playoff hockey is a different beast, no reason to change rules for such a minor situation. If GMs cant GM properly or coaches cant manage their roster its not the CHLs problem or should it become one for the CHL. Has nothing to do with just playoff hockey. He played sparingly all season all because the rules dictated he must be a CHL player or an NHL player. What does that have to do with a GM properly managing? You can't manage anything properly if the rules won't allow you to take the route you really want as a manager. Nothing says rules like that can't be reviewed and change to suit the times.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 18, 2015 15:50:54 GMT -4
Playoff hockey is a different beast, no reason to change rules for such a minor situation. If GMs cant GM properly or coaches cant manage their roster its not the CHLs problem or should it become one for the CHL. Has nothing to do with just playoff hockey. He played sparingly all season all because the rules dictated he must be a CHL player or an NHL player. What does that have to do with a GM properly managing? You can't manage anything properly if the rules won't allow you to take the route you really want as a manager. Nothing says rules like that can't be reviewed and change to suit the times. GM managing means they screw up, do you think if the rules are changed they are going to do what's best for the CHL or even the player for that matter. You are just going to have more screw-ups in the other direction. Even weaker players will sit on AHL benches as well as NHL. Drouin should be playing for the minutes the last roster player is getting, a good COACH could manage when and where he is on the ice. All teams do this with players while getting them into games. IMHO changes will create more issues then fix. Even you pointed out young players have not suffered while learning in practice and limited ice. Edit: I will add agents and players to the problem of changes. What player or agent is not going to want their player playing and being payed in the AHL. The pressure will mount when dealing with signings etc to put them in a better situation financially and AHL playing. What next 18 yr olds. Why not once this is done.
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Post by sjc on May 18, 2015 16:49:49 GMT -4
I still think he had another year in Jr. The only advantage he has right now is training with the best. I guess after next year we will know if him sitting so much hurt his progress.
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Post by Critical Eye on May 19, 2015 7:29:41 GMT -4
I still think he had another year in Jr. The only advantage he has right now is training with the best. I guess after next year we will know if him sitting so much hurt his progress. I won't put him down for the Moose next year... ...but wait - wasn't there a big scandal about Quebec BIRTH CERTIFICATES?? Let's get another conspiracy started!
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 19, 2015 13:47:13 GMT -4
Has nothing to do with just playoff hockey. He played sparingly all season all because the rules dictated he must be a CHL player or an NHL player. What does that have to do with a GM properly managing? You can't manage anything properly if the rules won't allow you to take the route you really want as a manager. Nothing says rules like that can't be reviewed and change to suit the times. GM managing means they screw up, do you think if the rules are changed they are going to do what's best for the CHL or even the player for that matter. You are just going to have more screw-ups in the other direction. Even weaker players will sit on AHL benches as well as NHL. Drouin should be playing for the minutes the last roster player is getting, a good COACH could manage when and where he is on the ice. All teams do this with players while getting them into games. IMHO changes will create more issues then fix. Even you pointed out young players have not suffered while learning in practice and limited ice. Edit: I will add agents and players to the problem of changes. What player or agent is not going to want their player playing and being payed in the AHL. The pressure will mount when dealing with signings etc to put them in a better situation financially and AHL playing. What next 18 yr olds. Why not once this is done. I'm not sure what you mean, are you saying a GM with a 3rd option isn't doing what's best for the players development by sending him to the AHL to play heavy minutes? I think you're lumping Drouin in with the wrong group of players. He's a high end offensive talent who could have benefited from a full year playing against men, whether it be in the AHL or elsewhere. Young players do learn in practice and just being around professionals helps get them prepared for the long haul, but for Drouin I think a year playing against bigger and stronger players then he did in junior would have been very beneficial to him. I don't think ANY 19yr old should be able to play AHL but I think an exception for players picked top 5 or top 10 or top 30 makes some sense since no 2 players develop the same way. There could be 30 players that need 30 different development paths. Remember this rule is to make the CHL stronger and has nothing to do with individual players and whats best for them. Drouin sticking the year in the NHL was because of that rule not in spite of it. Is he better now if he played another year in Halifax? For sure, but probably not as much as he would be if he was allowed to play a full year of AHL this year. I don't see the harm in an exceptional player loophole to the rule. It still keeps the majority of players in a CHL or NHL bind and opens up another development path for the high end players who are now stuck between 2 far from ideal situations. Your 2nd rounders like Patrice Bergeron can still jump to the NHL at 18 if they're ready and did anyone benefit from a 19yr old season in the AHL more then a player who has become one of the games top 2 way forwards?
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Post by bois on May 20, 2015 9:06:15 GMT -4
Tampa probably never should have drafted Drouin...... they draft Seth Jones and Nashville takes Drouin and this conversation isn't happening
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