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Post by howitzer on Sept 2, 2014 19:54:01 GMT -4
Unless we come out of the gates flying and massively overachieve, there is no rational reason in keeping an asset like Fucale, when he 100%, will not be back in the league, and we're not competing for a championship.
Cam should be more motivated then ever to move vets for picks/prospects, because he's built some decent depth in the organization (considering we've been at the top for 3 yrs), and he has a perfect opportunity to supplement what he has now, with some higher end assets, and get a head start on the next wave.
He needs to make the best deals he can, and if he has to fit it all together later, then that's what you do. The market will dictate the prices. Every GM has in his mind what he wants. Sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't. But at the end of the trade period, you want to accomplish what's best for your team going forward, and this year, with where this team is, that means selling. Fucale's resume speaks for itself. I don't think Cam will have to be picky.
And since I know it will come up any time now, in this type of discussion, yes Fucale likely reads the board, his parents too. He's not dumb, he understands the game. He won't have his feelings hurt by reading any of this. Just because we're talking about trading him, doesn't mean we don't like him lol.
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Post by Hot Water on Sept 2, 2014 21:18:57 GMT -4
I think if you're up front with Fucale throughout the process and show him and his family a lot of respect, then you can still cash in on a big time asset while maintaing the reputation of being a first class organization that the Moose have worked so hard to re-establish over the last three seasons. Explain to him early on what is going on, keep him in the loop on where talks are going and if you decide to move him and there are two teams that are offering close to the same package then I'd probably let him decide on where he wants to go.
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Post by guru on Sept 2, 2014 22:29:42 GMT -4
Reposting a post I made. You all seem 100% certain he will be traded. I'm not. Maybe Bobby Smith isn't feelin' trading away stars. Either way, this young man seems to really enjoy playing here, and I'm sure he reads this forum from time to time, do we really have to start scratching him off the roster already? Let's enjoy him while he is still in the lineup! I love how you all get angry at the potential of Fucale not being traded a few days after I make the post. Everyone must have been on vacation!
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Post by bbhatehab on Sept 2, 2014 23:06:09 GMT -4
So do you think Ehlers will make the Jets this year or will we have him back for one more year? Entry level contract was signed tonight.....
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Post by IslandersHKY on Sept 3, 2014 6:57:33 GMT -4
Ehlers is a great talent but I believe the Jets will agree that another year in the Q would be best for his development. Plus right now they don't really have big holes in their top nine which looks something like this:
Kane-Little-Wheeler Ladd-Scheifle-Byfuglin Galiardi-Perrault-Frolik
Of course there is a chance but I expect it is something like 75% likely he returns to Halifax.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Sept 3, 2014 8:41:19 GMT -4
So do you think Ehlers will make the Jets this year or will we have him back for one more year? Entry level contract was signed tonight..... Does anyone think the Jets can get any higher than 6th in their 7 team division with that team? you would not expose your young talent to that. Ehlers confidence does not need to be dashed by that. The entry level deal will add to confidence and now we get to see him on a junior team where he is the main star (no shadow of Drouin). Also that WJC opportunity where he will lead Denmark is a huge thing for Ehlers - he does not need the Jets worries weighing on him. But great for him even if the Jets do terrible and get a franchise player next June Nik already has a contract. 99.99 % chance Ehlers is back in the Q this year.
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Post by Citris on Sept 3, 2014 8:53:47 GMT -4
Unsurprisingly, Falkenham named captain. Hardie and Ehlers with the A's.
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Post by Murph on Sept 3, 2014 9:02:26 GMT -4
With respect to Ehlers;
Any team that just had a top 10 pick, would love nothing more than to plug that player into their line up right away. What's best for Ehlers development, is playing and practicing at the highest level possible.
The issue becomes how ready is he. Does Winnipeg only promote him if he earns it, and because he is ready..... or do they rush him up, which wouldn't be the best thing for him. Sometimes teams look for reasons to get kids onto their team, rather than wait to be shown reasons to put them on their team.
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Post by Don Draper on Sept 3, 2014 9:58:54 GMT -4
With respect to Ehlers; Any team that just had a top 10 pick, would love nothing more than to plug that player into their line up right away. What's best for Ehlers development, is playing and practicing at the highest level possible. The issue becomes how ready is he. Does Winnipeg only promote him if he earns it, and because he is ready..... or do they rush him up, which wouldn't be the best thing for him. Sometimes teams look for reasons to get kids onto their team, rather than wait to be shown reasons to put them on their team. If how they brought along Scheifele is any indication, Ehlers will only make the team if he gives the Jets no other alternative. Just plunking kids onto their roster doesn't seem to be the organization's way... which if this remains the case would obviously benefit the Moose but also benefits the player as well, I think.
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Post by bois on Sept 3, 2014 10:16:11 GMT -4
actually i think there is probably a decent chance Ehlers cracks the Jets lineup if he has a great camp.... saying they have no holes in their top nine is simply untrue.... they actually have one of the weakest top nines in the NHL in my opinion
i think Ehlers returns to the Q but seeing him signed already i think is a scary thing for Moose fans.... that is a roster he could crack
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Post by Gman on Sept 3, 2014 10:35:05 GMT -4
actually i think there is probably a decent chance Ehlers cracks the Jets lineup if he has a great camp.... saying they have no holes in their top nine is simply untrue.... they actually have one of the weakest top nines in the NHL in my opinion i think Ehlers returns to the Q but seeing him signed already i think is a scary thing for Moose fans.... that is a roster he could crack Well, it seems all but certain that he'll at least get a few games to show what he can do, which means he probably won't be back in Halifax until mid-October at best. He would have to have a very disappointing camp to not stick around for the first few weeks of the season.
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Post by howitzer on Sept 3, 2014 10:36:01 GMT -4
It's not out of the realm of possibility Ehlers makes the Jets this year, but I just can't see how he physically could handle that grind. Skill and speed wise, he could play today. But long term, he's better served to play another year in Junior imo. The Jets aren't going anywhere anytime soon, so why rush an elite prospect, just to play on a losing team, when he's probably not ready.
Next year, all bets are off. If I had to bet, I say he won't be back next season. Which brings up a whole other bag of questions and scenarios, but we'll leave that alone for now lol......
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Post by Jacques Strap on Sept 3, 2014 10:37:08 GMT -4
With respect to Ehlers; Any team that just had a top 10 pick, would love nothing more than to plug that player into their line up right away. What's best for Ehlers development, is playing and practicing at the highest level possible. The issue becomes how ready is he. Does Winnipeg only promote him if he earns it, and because he is ready..... or do they rush him up, which wouldn't be the best thing for him. Sometimes teams look for reasons to get kids onto their team, rather than wait to be shown reasons to put them on their team. So if Ehlers is close this year then he probably won't be back next year. Should the Mooseheads trade him at Christmas? What do u think?
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Post by Gman on Sept 3, 2014 10:40:25 GMT -4
With respect to Ehlers; Any team that just had a top 10 pick, would love nothing more than to plug that player into their line up right away. What's best for Ehlers development, is playing and practicing at the highest level possible. The issue becomes how ready is he. Does Winnipeg only promote him if he earns it, and because he is ready..... or do they rush him up, which wouldn't be the best thing for him. Sometimes teams look for reasons to get kids onto their team, rather than wait to be shown reasons to put them on their team. So if Ehlers is close this year then he probably won't be back next year. Should the Mooseheads trade him at Christmas? What do u think? Such a gamble. Depends on the offers I suppose. I think you would have to assume he will be back next year for negotiating purposes, and let the other GM take the risk. Can't let him go for a discounted price because he MIGHT not be back.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Sept 3, 2014 11:26:25 GMT -4
So if Ehlers is close this year then he probably won't be back next year. Should the Mooseheads trade him at Christmas? What do u think? Such a gamble. Depends on the offers I suppose. I think you would have to assume he will be back next year for negotiating purposes, and let the other GM take the risk. Can't let him go for a discounted price because he MIGHT not be back. I think other GMs would be wise to that. Only a team which can win the cup this year would ever take that gamble in that they get the benefit this year in playoffs and consider anything next year as a bonus. And if its only one team that would even take that chance then how do u get any return negotiating with just one team? The list of teams that would like Ehlers isn't as large after you filter out the 15 teams with no shot of winning it this year, and want guarantees for 2015-16, and then filter out the teams which are set at forward for this year and like their teams. (And teams can only have 2 imports)
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