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Post by Citris on Sept 5, 2014 13:54:24 GMT -4
I hope you're right about Daniel, Statsman. I agree he has all the tools and is a great skater.
Re: Hudon
He was a one year player and they knew that. With Roy, there's no guarantee he makes the NHL at 19, if he gets traded he could play 2 seasons vs Fucale's half season. But I will agree that if Fucale is traded, I think Chicoutimi is the destination.
Bibeau and MacDonald both fetched way more than I thought a goalie would ever be traded for, so, I could be wrong. Hell, if we get more than I think we can for Fucale, I'd be thrilled. But I still think that Chicoutimi is way to high on Nicholas Roy to give him up in a package for a goalie. They'd bargain hard for him.
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 5, 2014 14:08:48 GMT -4
That I just can't agree on. Like I said Chicoutimi made a huge deal last year with Hudon. Fucale has a why better track recored then Hudon had. When trading for Fucale your getting a guy who has proven he helps teams win where Hudon has never been on a team to get out of the second round. Remind me again what round Baie-Comeau got to last year with Hudon on their roster. Same as the year before. And lost to the team that went and got a goalie at the trade period. Weird!
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Sept 5, 2014 14:16:14 GMT -4
Remind me again what round Baie-Comeau got to last year with Hudon on their roster. Same as the year before. And lost to the team that went and got a goalie at the trade period. Weird! So Hudon did get out of the second round then! :-)
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 5, 2014 14:51:52 GMT -4
Same as the year before. And lost to the team that went and got a goalie at the trade period. Weird! So Hudon did get out of the second round then! :-) I said it before the trade he never got out of the second round. And once again his team lost to the team that got a goalie at the trade deadline. Weird how that worked. But I was saying Chicoutimi traded a guy who never made out of the 2 round. Meaning before he was traded he never did anything. But that's ok I'll walk you through it. ;p
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Post by Slap Shooter on Sept 5, 2014 15:32:43 GMT -4
Chicoutimi actually lost to the Sea Dogs in the 3rd round after eliminating the memorial cup hosts Shawinigan with Hudon.
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Post by mooseinfo on Sept 5, 2014 17:10:56 GMT -4
I think your under valuing the team we can have. Keep in mind all but 4 forwards were on the team that was 2 goals away from going to the finals. I didn't even add the 1st round pick we will have at this years draft. As for Ehlers he's a Mooseheads until he's a Jet. He's not a Jet yet is all im saying. If he becomes a Jet we can pick another euro too this years euro draft. CALLIN' BULLSHIT! 1- Ashley 2- Andrews 3- Ryan 4- Ciampini 5- Gadoury 6- Jonathan Drouin. And quite possibly - Ehlers as well. MY ASS that's just "all but 4 forwards". Losing Drouin is a BIG DEAL. Even ignoring Ehlers that's 149 goals you're losing out on from those 6 players. Is there potential? Yes. But you're looking at a defense next year that has way too many unknowns to confidently say yes, it will be good. The lineup you posted has 1 player with more than 5 games experience in this league so far. You cannot honestly say you KNOW that will be a good defense. Edit-Another thing I need to bring up here, not to be a buzzkill, but the Euro draft isn't such a sure thing for us anymore. This would be our first euro draft under the new rules. We've had an inordinate amount of success in the import drafts in the past, other than Quebec, I'd argue nobody has consistently had the quality of European talent we have. But we've also always had good picks. Voracek was 1st overall, Frk was 3rd, Ehlers was 6th. We can't trade up for a good pick anymore, so, we have the possibility to be unlucky and not be able to draft the guy we want. Euros will be a new management strategy for sure. Its not as bad as it seems though since no trades means picks dont get used so when you only need one player the pick is higher than its draft number. If they make a pick and then Ehlers comes back it could turn into a trade bonus although he likely sticks next year if not this one.
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Post by Citris on Sept 5, 2014 17:42:48 GMT -4
Yes, the Euro draft is a bit of a different animal.But even this year there were only 5 passes before rank 30, which could be conceivably around where we pick.
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Post by mooseinfo on Sept 6, 2014 10:30:24 GMT -4
Yes, the Euro draft is a bit of a different animal.But even this year there were only 5 passes before rank 30, which could be conceivably around where we pick. It will take a few drafts for that to shake out though. Teams including Halifax are using players from trades made prior to the change. With the agreements made prior to the draft it is more likely you get your guy then the midget draft. Teams cant just take someone hoping they show with just one pick. They run the risk that they piss off agents which could have canadian players too. They cant take them to use as trade bait anymore, to get a ransom from another team. Not having to trade for picks adds to the teams assets which Halifax often spent.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Sept 7, 2014 13:48:27 GMT -4
Is it just me or does this camp/pre-season feel like its going on forever. Doesn't seem like there is much action.
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Post by auntjude on Sept 7, 2014 14:31:19 GMT -4
There's lots of action at the Moncton/Bathurst game - Barbashev got a game misconduct for checking to the head twice.
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Post by Citris on Sept 7, 2014 14:38:58 GMT -4
Is it just me or does this camp/pre-season feel like its going on forever. Doesn't seem like there is much action. Yes, and we open the season on the road, so another week after this to wait to see live hockey! I hope the webcasts are sorted out by next weekend, damnit!
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Post by moosestar on Sept 7, 2014 15:20:35 GMT -4
There's lots of action at the Moncton/Bathurst game - Barbashev got a game misconduct for checking to the head twice. Seems to just show the one penalty now, with a game misconduct.
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 8, 2014 8:30:39 GMT -4
Is it just me or does this camp/pre-season feel like its going on forever. Doesn't seem like there is much action. I agree 100%. I think part of the few games has to do with CB going to Russia for 2 weeks. Now mind you if they were here I think we'd only have one more game. The thing is we have to start camp when we do because of the whole Quebec schooling BS. Teams really only get about 2 weeks to make decisions on some of those kids when they have roughly 6 weeks to look at any Maritime kids. They should really look at starting the season a week earlier. That is just my thought though.
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Post by melly on Sept 8, 2014 9:27:15 GMT -4
I think your under valuing the team we can have. Keep in mind all but 4 forwards were on the team that was 2 goals away from going to the finals. I didn't even add the 1st round pick we will have at this years draft. As for Ehlers he's a Mooseheads until he's a Jet. He's not a Jet yet is all im saying. If he becomes a Jet we can pick another euro too this years euro draft. CALLIN' BULLSHIT! 1- Ashley 2- Andrews 3- Ryan 4- Ciampini 5- Gadoury 6- Jonathan Drouin. And quite possibly - Ehlers as well. MY ASS that's just "all but 4 forwards". Losing Drouin is a BIG DEAL. Even ignoring Ehlers that's 149 goals you're losing out on from those 6 players. Is there potential? Yes. But you're looking at a defense next year that has way too many unknowns to confidently say yes, it will be good. The lineup you posted has 1 player with more than 5 games experience in this league so far. You cannot honestly say you KNOW that will be a good defense. Edit-Another thing I need to bring up here, not to be a buzzkill, but the Euro draft isn't such a sure thing for us anymore. This would be our first euro draft under the new rules. We've had an inordinate amount of success in the import drafts in the past, other than Quebec, I'd argue nobody has consistently had the quality of European talent we have. But we've also always had good picks. Voracek was 1st overall, Frk was 3rd, Ehlers was 6th. We can't trade up for a good pick anymore, so, we have the possibility to be unlucky and not be able to draft the guy we want. Agree. If you just simply pull Drouin off that team last year, you have a completely different outcome. For me though, as far as guys that are gone, it was the leadership of Ashley, Andrews, even Ryan and Caimpini up front and Weegar, Duke on defense that will be so sorely missed. With Ehlers and Gadoury likely on the same line, we will be a bit of a one-trick pony on offense. That is situation we didn't face the last 3 years. On defense, it will be interesting to see how the top 3 guys will handle logging way more minutes than they have been accustomed to, especially Hardie. I love his style of game, but it will be more uncharted waters for the Moose having a top pairing guy as a strictly shutdown type of defenseman. Your right on defenseman, we will have to wait and see how some of these guys react to more intense fore-checking and pressure. I think I will rather enjoy this year, with so many young players to watch develop. Hopefully Russell continues a youth movement at Xmas, and we get to see a few more.
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Post by Reesor on Sept 8, 2014 11:19:38 GMT -4
Without digging too deep in Internet land, do we know who we're missing this weekend if anyone? When will Ehlers/Fucale report to NHL camps?
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