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Post by cb67 on May 20, 2015 11:35:39 GMT -4
I'd like to see Joey Ratelle in CB.
Hope he's a 19 yo Dumont targets.
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Post by bois on May 20, 2015 11:41:49 GMT -4
Ratelle just named captain in Drummondville.... if he moves it won't be until Christmas
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 20, 2015 12:13:35 GMT -4
Now that the dust has settled with the on ice for the year, time to look at the draft. Including the #19 pick as compensation for O'Leary, the Eagles have 7 picks in the first round. We hold the 4th, 6th and 19th picks in the first round. Will be interesting to see if Dumont uses all of them, tries to trade up or uses some and trades others. We need to fill one 20 year old spot, assuming Belanger and Gosselin are returning, I don't think Dumont will be in a hurry to fill that spot as 20s can be traded at anytime. Hope he doesn't use any of the 1st rounders on a 20 year old. Thoughts please. A 20yr old is a 1 year player. A 19yr old worth say the 4th overall pick plus more is also likely a 1 year player. I'd rather not give up a 1st for anyone but we need to realize that we acquired the picks as sellers because that sometimes is the cost of doing business as a buyer. Let's at least see what is available and what the price is before laying down rules like no 1sts for 20's. Pick 19 and say a 3rd is a fair price for a top 20yr old at the draft. Depending on the player I have no issue with that price.
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Post by statsman18 on May 20, 2015 13:10:29 GMT -4
Now that the dust has settled with the on ice for the year, time to look at the draft. Including the #19 pick as compensation for O'Leary, the Eagles have 7 picks in the first round. We hold the 4th, 6th and 19th picks in the first round. Will be interesting to see if Dumont uses all of them, tries to trade up or uses some and trades others. We need to fill one 20 year old spot, assuming Belanger and Gosselin are returning, I don't think Dumont will be in a hurry to fill that spot as 20s can be traded at anytime. Hope he doesn't use any of the 1st rounders on a 20 year old. Thoughts please. A 20yr old is a 1 year player. A 19yr old worth say the 4th overall pick plus more is also likely a 1 year player. I'd rather not give up a 1st for anyone but we need to realize that we acquired the picks as sellers because that sometimes is the cost of doing business as a buyer. Let's at least see what is available and what the price is before laying down rules like no 1sts for 20's. Pick 19 and say a 3rd is a fair price for a top 20yr old at the draft. Depending on the player I have no issue with that price. Just to add to what your saying though, you guy's window is next year. Now am I saying you guys have to trade the 4th, 6th and 19th pick for one guy. No! Unless that guy is Elhers and the Jets say yes he we will give him to you CB for the year. That going to happen? NO! I think you guys need to use the 4th and 6th pick then maybe start waving the 19th and your 2nd rounder around to see what you can get. CB is set on the backend and sort of in goal. Pretty well set up front besides a number 1 or 2 centre. I know you have Bishop and he can be the top guy but maybe you find someone better then he can be the 2nd guy. It all depends on the player that is targeted. Here's the other thing to look at or think about. Maybe with the 4th pick you take the top D of the draft and he's good to jump in as the 6th or 7th guy. You can then move a guy like Deschamps for a 3rd rounder or even a throw in on a trade with say the 19th pick for such center. Maybe a guy like Johnson from Moncton for Deschamps and a 3rd. That might get it done you never know.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 20, 2015 15:06:30 GMT -4
A 20yr old is a 1 year player. A 19yr old worth say the 4th overall pick plus more is also likely a 1 year player. I'd rather not give up a 1st for anyone but we need to realize that we acquired the picks as sellers because that sometimes is the cost of doing business as a buyer. Let's at least see what is available and what the price is before laying down rules like no 1sts for 20's. Pick 19 and say a 3rd is a fair price for a top 20yr old at the draft. Depending on the player I have no issue with that price. Just to add to what your saying though, you guy's window is next year. Now am I saying you guys have to trade the 4th, 6th and 19th pick for one guy. No! Unless that guy is Elhers and the Jets say yes he we will give him to you CB for the year. That going to happen? NO! I think you guys need to use the 4th and 6th pick then maybe start waving the 19th and your 2nd rounder around to see what you can get. CB is set on the backend and sort of in goal. Pretty well set up front besides a number 1 or 2 centre. I know you have Bishop and he can be the top guy but maybe you find someone better then he can be the 2nd guy. It all depends on the player that is targeted. Here's the other thing to look at or think about. Maybe with the 4th pick you take the top D of the draft and he's good to jump in as the 6th or 7th guy. You can then move a guy like Deschamps for a 3rd rounder or even a throw in on a trade with say the 19th pick for such center. Maybe a guy like Johnson from Moncton for Deschamps and a 3rd. That might get it done you never know. Ideally I would plan to go into the draft and make those 1st 2 picks then start looking to deal the rest. I keep my 2016 1st for Xmas where it can get me a solid rental. That pick should be 14th-20th based on variable factors. I doubt there's a player available that makes us consider trading the 4th or 6th but it's still a little early to know that for sure.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 20, 2015 15:31:02 GMT -4
Just to add to what your saying though, you guy's window is next year. Now am I saying you guys have to trade the 4th, 6th and 19th pick for one guy. No! Unless that guy is Elhers and the Jets say yes he we will give him to you CB for the year. That going to happen? NO! I think you guys need to use the 4th and 6th pick then maybe start waving the 19th and your 2nd rounder around to see what you can get. CB is set on the backend and sort of in goal. Pretty well set up front besides a number 1 or 2 centre. I know you have Bishop and he can be the top guy but maybe you find someone better then he can be the 2nd guy. It all depends on the player that is targeted. Here's the other thing to look at or think about. Maybe with the 4th pick you take the top D of the draft and he's good to jump in as the 6th or 7th guy. You can then move a guy like Deschamps for a 3rd rounder or even a throw in on a trade with say the 19th pick for such center. Maybe a guy like Johnson from Moncton for Deschamps and a 3rd. That might get it done you never know. Ideally I would plan to go into the draft and make those 1st 2 picks then start looking to deal the rest. I keep my 2016 1st for Xmas where it can get me a solid rental. That pick should be 14th-20th based on variable factors. I doubt there's a player available that makes us consider trading the 4th or 6th but it's still a little early to know that for sure. They could do a blockbuster type trade with multi-player picks, going out and in. A few teams have to start over and could trade their players from a run who are back, like Quebec. CB probably have some useful depth to get more quality than quantity. Need to make room for those better players too.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 20, 2015 15:38:29 GMT -4
Ideally I would plan to go into the draft and make those 1st 2 picks then start looking to deal the rest. I keep my 2016 1st for Xmas where it can get me a solid rental. That pick should be 14th-20th based on variable factors. I doubt there's a player available that makes us consider trading the 4th or 6th but it's still a little early to know that for sure. They could do a blockbuster type trade with multi-player picks, going out and in. A few teams have to start over and could trade their players from a run who are back, like Quebec. CB probably have some useful depth to get more quality than quantity. Need to make room for those better players too. Yup, for sure it's a tough juggling act. We need to find vets to plus holes like a #1 C and another top 6 forward to help replace what he lost in Farrell and Hinds plus need to find room for some youth and all while trying to contend. Could definitely see a deal like that under the right circumstances. It would take a 2 year player or 2 dynamite 1 year players to make me consider moving one of those high 1sts but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be listening to everything.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on May 20, 2015 18:23:03 GMT -4
But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be listening to everything. Except JamesNorris.
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Post by emerz on May 20, 2015 18:47:27 GMT -4
I feel like we will end up dealing one of the 4/6 picks, and some of our 3rd from this year/next along with like Deschamps. What we'll end up getting.. who knows at this point.
I'd be okay with only keeping one first round pick, but if that is the case I'd like to see us keep #4 and deal #6/#19 if we're making huge moves.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on May 20, 2015 20:52:14 GMT -4
Can you even trade a compensation pick?
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Post by emerz on May 20, 2015 21:18:00 GMT -4
Can you even trade a compensation pick? Good question... not sure lol, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to but maybe it's a rule.
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Post by jamesnorris on May 20, 2015 22:08:04 GMT -4
But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be listening to everything. Except JamesNorris. I don't know about that, his wait n see approach for trades at the draft is pretty familiar It's definitely going to be an eventful draft whatever Dumont decides to do. I hope one of the picks is a goalie though. I'm extremely tired of the 19-20 year old goalie carousel. I'm also expecting Derek Gentile to be drafted by CB to fill Kyle Farrells void.
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Post by statsman18 on May 21, 2015 7:53:35 GMT -4
Ideally I would plan to go into the draft and make those 1st 2 picks then start looking to deal the rest. I keep my 2016 1st for Xmas where it can get me a solid rental. That pick should be 14th-20th based on variable factors. I doubt there's a player available that makes us consider trading the 4th or 6th but it's still a little early to know that for sure. They could do a blockbuster type trade with multi-player picks, going out and in. A few teams have to start over and could trade their players from a run who are back, like Quebec. CB probably have some useful depth to get more quality than quantity. Need to make room for those better players too. I need to ask. What players can fit into this blockbuster type deal your talking about with Quebec? Only player that would work might be Murphy. But why bother when you have Gosselin all ready. Yeah Murphy is better but what you give up for the up grade isn't worth it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 21, 2015 9:09:50 GMT -4
Can you even trade a compensation pick? I don't see why not. It's really just another pick added to the round. Even if there's a rule that you can't you just draft the player for the other team then do the trade like in the NBA.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 21, 2015 9:11:08 GMT -4
They could do a blockbuster type trade with multi-player picks, going out and in. A few teams have to start over and could trade their players from a run who are back, like Quebec. CB probably have some useful depth to get more quality than quantity. Need to make room for those better players too. I need to ask. What players can fit into this blockbuster type deal your talking about with Quebec? Only player that would work might be Murphy. But why bother when you have Gosselin all ready. Yeah Murphy is better but what you give up for the up grade isn't worth it. I don't think he means Quebec specifically as much as using them as a comparison as team that's gone all in and now may want to start a massive rebuild. Quebec is not a very good match with us for a deal like that.
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