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Post by Jack Bauer on May 7, 2015 16:14:06 GMT -4
Can you name a player who can play in our top 6, preferably top 3, who will cost that much? Halifax didn't acquire him to be on a championship team. He was intended to help lead the rookies through a season of gaining experience and those rookies ended up being 2 of the best players in the country. If Halifax was a veteran team that everyone was expecting to compete do they make that same deal? Probably not. Looking at this season for us that gets us Marcus Hinds. I think we need to aim higher personally. Especially if Lazarev is not returning, though I have no indication of that being true or false at this point. Actually Fournier was acquired to be on a championship team- he was traded for at the draft in June 2012. But it is apples and oranges when you compare Halifax in 2012 and Cape Breton in 2015. IMO you guys really should use the 1sts you have at the draft and kick the tires on OAs available for lesser picks but you don't want to give up too much. I think who you might have been thinking about Grenier for us in 2011- cost for us was a decent Euro pick and a 4th. You're right. It was Grenier I was thinking of to be on the team when Drouin and MacKinnon were rookies. But point remains, if a Fournier is out there, I don't think he's the missing piece for us. We need someone who can help replace a Farrell and be a catalyst with Svechnikov. We need a higher end player in my opinion and that won't come cheap.
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Post by emerz on May 7, 2015 16:19:42 GMT -4
Actually Fournier was acquired to be on a championship team- he was traded for at the draft in June 2012. But it is apples and oranges when you compare Halifax in 2012 and Cape Breton in 2015. IMO you guys really should use the 1sts you have at the draft and kick the tires on OAs available for lesser picks but you don't want to give up too much. I think who you might have been thinking about Grenier for us in 2011- cost for us was a decent Euro pick and a 4th. You're right. It was Grenier I was thinking of to be on the team when Drouin and MacKinnon were rookies. But point remains, if a Fournier is out there, I don't think he's the missing piece for us. We need someone who can help replace a Farrell and be a catalyst with Svechnikov. We need a higher end player in my opinion and that won't come cheap. Definitely don't want to cheap out on a 20 year old this season I agree. Alexandre Ranger seems to fit that bill, I bet he could be had for the 19th pick + like a 3rd. Unless Chicoutimi plans to go for it next year which I don't think will be the case losing Dauphin, Payqurn-Boudreau (maybe) and not having a strong defense core.
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Post by aquilae on May 7, 2015 18:28:11 GMT -4
Baribeau would be nice at six.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 7, 2015 19:04:35 GMT -4
Baribeau would be nice at six. I am confused Cory. Are you an Eagles and Moosehead's fan?
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Post by aquilae on May 7, 2015 21:22:53 GMT -4
Baribeau would be nice at six. I am confused Cory. Are you an Eagles and Moosehead's fan? Born in Cape Breton. Lived most of my life in Halifax but am moving back to Sydney in the summer.
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2015 8:24:55 GMT -4
Cape Breton must be pulling for Veleno to get into this draft - It's very possible that Shane Bowers falls right into your lap. Some rumblings that Bathurst is more interested in Maxime Comtois and I'm thinking Victoriaville will take Antoine Morand at 3. That would be the best poisable out come that CB could hope for. If Bowers falls to 4 I can totally see him being in the top 6 by the end of the year. He would be a good 2nd line center. Then him and Dubois can lead this team for years to come. Then at 6 they can go after the top rated goalie to fill that hole too. Then they can use the other high picks they have for tarde bait and fill the holes they have. They need a PPG 20yo old forward. Sadly the crop of 20yo forward that might be back next year is thin. Here's a small list. Mike Joly: Rim RW Alex Ranger: Chi RW M-A bouillon: Drum RW Anthony DaLuca: Drum LW Mark Simpons: AB C Simon Desbiens: BC LW Phil Sanche: BB RW Other maybes Danny Moynihan: Hal C Tommy Veilleux: Gat LW Gab Paquin-Boudreau: Chi LW After these guys it thins out big time. Better to go with what you have after these guys.
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2015 8:31:01 GMT -4
You get what you pay for. An impact 20 costs the 19th pick plus. We are looking to win a championship, so why would we not want an impact 20? Halifax got Stefan Fournier for a 3rd and a 7th round pick in 2012; he was an impact player for us. This is completely different story. The Moose got Fournier so cheap because the year before Victo tried to go for it and had 9 92's on the roster. They were looking to get whatever they could for as many of them as the could. It's a basic supply and demand equation.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 8, 2015 9:20:47 GMT -4
Halifax got Stefan Fournier for a 3rd and a 7th round pick in 2012; he was an impact player for us. This is completely different story. The Moose got Fournier so cheap because the year before Victo tried to go for it and had 9 92's on the roster. They were looking to get whatever they could for as many of them as the could. It's a basic supply and demand equation. They also got him at the right time for price but also the risky time for 20s. IF the guy you get with draft picks decides to go pro or another route, the pick is used already. Sure a team can work out compensation into the deal but it takes more from the GM to get the right 20 and the asset is used. Often that is why you see so much swapping after season starts, what looks good early can change when players come back late from camps or do not return and then some simple do not fit anymore.
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Post by bois on May 8, 2015 9:27:46 GMT -4
Why do you need a PPG twenty?
use your insane assets for a top 18-19 year old scorer instead
then get a Hinds like twenty for cheap
that's what I would do
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Post by mooseinfo on May 8, 2015 9:51:29 GMT -4
Why do you need a PPG twenty? use your insane assets for a top 18-19 year old scorer instead then get a Hinds like twenty for cheap that's what I would do Ya go big or go home. Character 20s are often the best in any case using their experience as the most important skill. 20s dont need to lead your team in scoring or show up in the top of every stat page and they often wont. If they shine during key moments for the TEAM that is what counts.
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Post by hal on May 8, 2015 12:41:48 GMT -4
Cape Breton must be pulling for Veleno to get into this draft - It's very possible that Shane Bowers falls right into your lap. Some rumblings that Bathurst is more interested in Maxime Comtois and I'm thinking Victoriaville will take Antoine Morand at 3. That would be the best poisable out come that CB could hope for. If Bowers falls to 4 I can totally see him being in the top 6 by the end of the year. He would be a good 2nd line center. Then him and Dubois can lead this team for years to come. Then at 6 they can go after the top rated goalie to fill that hole too. Then they can use the other high picks they have for tarde bait and fill the holes they have. They need a PPG 20yo old forward. Sadly the crop of 20yo forward that might be back next year is thin. Here's a small list. Mike Joly: Rim RW Alex Ranger: Chi RW M-A bouillon: Drum RW Anthony DaLuca: Drum LW Mark Simpons: AB C Simon Desbiens: BC LW Phil Sanche: BB RW Other maybes Danny Moynihan: Hal C Tommy Veilleux: Gat LW Gab Paquin-Boudreau: Chi LW After these guys it thins out big time. Better to go with what you have after these guys. Other than Deluca why give a high pick for any of them ?
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2015 12:45:42 GMT -4
This is completely different story. The Moose got Fournier so cheap because the year before Victo tried to go for it and had 9 92's on the roster. They were looking to get whatever they could for as many of them as the could. It's a basic supply and demand equation. They also got him at the right time for price but also the risky time for 20s. IF the guy you get with draft picks decides to go pro or another route, the pick is used already. Sure a team can work out compensation into the deal but it takes more from the GM to get the right 20 and the asset is used. Often that is why you see so much swapping after season starts, what looks good early can change when players come back late from camps or do not return and then some simple do not fit anymore. Teams would do their home work first before making trades to see what the player is doing. Fournier did even get invited to a pro camp that year so there was no worry of him going pro.
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2015 12:58:04 GMT -4
Why do you need a PPG twenty? use your insane assets for a top 18-19 year old scorer instead then get a Hinds like twenty for cheap that's what I would do At the draft it easier to get the 20yo and they're usually cheaper then the higher skilled 18 or 19yo. The higher end 18 or 19 yo's that are traded at the draft are usually just the future consideration players from trades made at Christmas time. Don't get me wrong if say Garland can be had at the draft yeah go for him but there's no way Moncton would trade him in June. They'd wait till Christmas and look for the bidding war to see who else is in the hunt. This season was slightly different with Quebec hosting the Mem Cup they made a boat load of trades on the dead line before the season.
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2015 13:00:31 GMT -4
That would be the best poisable out come that CB could hope for. If Bowers falls to 4 I can totally see him being in the top 6 by the end of the year. He would be a good 2nd line center. Then him and Dubois can lead this team for years to come. Then at 6 they can go after the top rated goalie to fill that hole too. Then they can use the other high picks they have for tarde bait and fill the holes they have. They need a PPG 20yo old forward. Sadly the crop of 20yo forward that might be back next year is thin. Here's a small list. Mike Joly: Rim RW Alex Ranger: Chi RW M-A bouillon: Drum RW Anthony DaLuca: Drum LW Mark Simpons: AB C Simon Desbiens: BC LW Phil Sanche: BB RW Other maybes Danny Moynihan: Hal C Tommy Veilleux: Gat LW Gab Paquin-Boudreau: Chi LW After these guys it thins out big time. Better to go with what you have after these guys. Other than Deluca why give a high pick for any of them ? Because most of them are top line guys. And anyone you pick this year with your 2nd round picks won't be on your first line if you are a championship team.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 8, 2015 13:24:26 GMT -4
They also got him at the right time for price but also the risky time for 20s. IF the guy you get with draft picks decides to go pro or another route, the pick is used already. Sure a team can work out compensation into the deal but it takes more from the GM to get the right 20 and the asset is used. Often that is why you see so much swapping after season starts, what looks good early can change when players come back late from camps or do not return and then some simple do not fit anymore. Teams would do their home work first before making trades to see what the player is doing. Fournier did even get invited to a pro camp that year so there was no worry of him going pro. Teams can do all the homework they want, players dont know what they will do in June. Teams get burned and the Moose have as well. Invites are not set in stone in June, players performance at camps determined or 20yr olds priorities with many options, they can change their minds.
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