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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 3, 2014 9:20:50 GMT -4
So is this a catch 22 with Ehlers? So we should trade him if he is not coming back, but then teams won't give us as much because he won't be back next year. Or we shouldn't trade him because he will be back next year, but maybe we should because we will get more for him. I am confused. lol. I meant to comment on this before but was to busy. The catch 22 on trading Elhers is simple. Because he's a Euro his market is limited and always sorta will be with the Euro trading rules. He's shown this past week that he is basically the best player in this league so there always going to be interest in him. But only a few team have a spot for him (once again Euro spots and Trading rules). So here is the the way to look at it. We trade Ehlers we will get at the very lest 2 highly needed assets. (eg: a top 16yo/17yo and a 1st or 2nd round pick) then we would also slide some in the standings so our Euro pick and 1st round get better. So we get a chance at a better euro that can play on the team next year. As it stands now we can pick a New Euro but he goes on a list and can't play if we have Elhers back. Or worse we have a Quebec situation when they had Grig come back 2 years ago. They had 3 euros and 2 spots and had to trade 1. If that happens the his or Meier's value hits rock bottom. Because you have to make the trade. So we get 3 top end player make the trade now or get maybe only get one good Euro next year. What would you want? Yeah I see the big picture with dealing Ehlers and that would be a great move in my opinion. In a year where we could possibly get a top pick in the Import Draft, plus other picks and/or players in the Midget draft would be great for the rebuild.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 3, 2014 9:36:08 GMT -4
We would be lucky to win 1 playoff round this year with the team as is. Even if we did win 1, and lose in round 2, it's hardly worth standing pat.
We don't have a legit team this year to do anything in playoffs, and next year looks much worse especially if Ehlers makes the Jets. I really hope management don't feel they need to hold on to Ehlers or Fucale for the fans sake basically. They don't NEED to sell tickets on the back of 1 or 2 star players - they should still be rolling in money from the events of the past few years. They should be able to recognize that building a legit contender will pay off on the ice and off, and not be scared to move a star player when needed to help that process.
It will be tough to move Fucale as most contenders seem to be set or adequate in goal. Ehlers, despite being a euro, would probably have a lot of interest as he would be a massive boost to any offense. But if they can be traded, they should be in my opinion.
We have decent picks of our own coming up, and to be able to have a top euro pick (should we slide in standings) plus a handful of others from potential trades, we should be well stocked with good young players moving forward. Hopefully (and it would surprise me simply because it would be a bold move not normally seen around here) we maximize our trade assets and build towards next year and the year after. It seems like a tough call, but really, every year some rebuilding teams move out their star player and others, so hopefully Cam won't be too sentimental about doing it.
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Post by Gman on Dec 3, 2014 9:46:45 GMT -4
The key for Halifax management is learning from past mistakes (standing pat in the past when it made sense to sell). If they don't trade away some combination of Fucale, Murphy, Hardie, Gadoury, then it's a huge wasted opportunity that will set the team back at least a year. This year's team is going nowhere despite a few wins lately. Next year's team will be much worse with Fucale, Gadoury, Lussier, Hardie, and possibly Ehlers moving on. I like how they have thrown a bunch of young D into the fire though- it will help with the transition having Tafaelier, Ford, Nauss coming back after playing a ton of minutes this year. Nice to also see Blain-Dupuis and Argento in the lineup in Quebec.
Edit: Regarding contenders being set in goal, after seeing Desrosiers' performance in Halifax, I'm not sure Rimouski is set in goal... maybe it was just an off night for him, but he was terrible.
Then again, Fucale is sporting an .886 save % so hard to consider him an upgrade at this point.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 3, 2014 10:07:00 GMT -4
So is this a catch 22 with Ehlers? So we should trade him if he is not coming back, but then teams won't give us as much because he won't be back next year. Or we shouldn't trade him because he will be back next year, but maybe we should because we will get more for him. I am confused. lol. I meant to comment on this before but was to busy. The catch 22 on trading Elhers is simple. Because he's a Euro his market is limited and always sorta will be with the Euro trading rules. He's shown this past week that he is basically the best player in this league so there always going to be interest in him. But only a few team have a spot for him (once again Euro spots and Trading rules). So here is the the way to look at it. We trade Ehlers we will get at the very lest 2 highly needed assets. (eg: a top 16yo/17yo and a 1st or 2nd round pick) then we would also slide some in the standings so our Euro pick and 1st round get better. So we get a chance at a better euro that can play on the team next year. As it stands now we can pick a New Euro but he goes on a list and can't play if we have Elhers back. Or worse we have a Quebec situation when they had Grig come back 2 years ago. They had 3 euros and 2 spots and had to trade 1. If that happens the his or Meier's value hits rock bottom. Because you have to make the trade. So we get 3 top end player make the trade now or get maybe only get one good Euro next year. What would you want? From an asset mangement and long term potential for winning again, it makes all the sense in the world to move Fucale and Ehlers plus maybe 1-2 others.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 3, 2014 10:21:05 GMT -4
The key for Halifax management is learning from past mistakes (standing pat in the past when it made sense to sell). If they don't trade away some combination of Fucale, Murphy, Hardie, Gadoury, then it's a huge wasted opportunity that will set the team back at least a year. This year's team is going nowhere despite a few wins lately. Next year's team will be much worse with Fucale, Gadoury, Lussier, Hardie, and possibly Ehlers moving on. I like how they have thrown a bunch of young D into the fire though- it will help with the transition having Tafaelier, Ford, Nauss coming back after playing a ton of minutes this year. Nice to also see Blain-Dupuis and Argento in the lineup in Quebec. Edit: Regarding contenders being set in goal, after seeing Desrosiers' performance in Halifax, I'm not sure Rimouski is set in goal... maybe it was just an off night for him, but he was terrible. Then again, Fucale is sporting an .886 save % so hard to consider him an upgrade at this point. It was 1 game by Desrossiers, and even though he is apparently inconsistent and makes the fans nervous, he is probably still going to be good enough behind what should be a great team where they shouldn't waste assets to upgrade him imo.
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Post by Porkchop on Dec 3, 2014 11:03:28 GMT -4
if history means anything, Halifax won't be trading any quality players away. ......also someone mentioned Cape Breton as a possible buyer for Fucale....as long as they are playing below .400 hockey it would be stupid for them to waste good assets on him. If I were CB I'd be selling their 20's at Christmas and using them assets to load up for next year when they will have a better team. Cant see either Fucale in CB or the team playing the 2nd half with no 20s. The young players need to develop in a better situation in general. Otherwise next year turns into another sell year and then repeat. Nobody would expect them to go without 20's....what I meant was sell off their top guys for the highest return they can get and look at next year. There are plenty of 20's to go around if a team is just looking for some veteran leadership.
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Post by hockeyfan4ever5 on Dec 3, 2014 12:01:14 GMT -4
I was wondering... If we trade Fucale in December, should we grab another goalie in the trade since Resop didn't play a lot or should we just grab more draft picks and call a goalie up? What do you guys think
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 3, 2014 12:17:16 GMT -4
I was wondering... If we trade Fucale in December, should we grab another goalie in the trade since Resop didn't play a lot or should we just grab more draft picks and call a goalie up? What do you guys think Depends on if you want 1st pick overall chance or not. If other players go with Fucale you likely finish in the bottom anyway with even an established goalie. Would want a goalie that can learn to be #1 next year. Hopefully something like that comes back. Its always fairly easy to get a 19 year old goalie at the draft cheap or FA as a filler. Have seen teams sell off in the past and the Quantity of young players return actually made them better. Seems that is unlikely this year as most contending teams good young players are needed in their lineup. Lots of futures trades this year I expect. Interesting in a few minor trades lately. Bathurst seems to be clearing out late round picked players for picks. Quebec moved a young D to Drummond that actually played quite a few games last year in the league for one that did not. Sometimes they indicate direction as teams make room, rebuild and develop good trading partners.
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Post by statsman18 on Dec 3, 2014 15:08:46 GMT -4
I was wondering... If we trade Fucale in December, should we grab another goalie in the trade since Resop didn't play a lot or should we just grab more draft picks and call a goalie up? What do you guys think I would take Brassard from CB. Picking up a 20yo and going 50/50 the rest of the way would be a good way to get Resops feet wet. Then in playoff ride the hot hand.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Dec 3, 2014 19:11:35 GMT -4
Two things I'm almost positive Ehlers can't be traded, we don't want Brassard he can't stop the puck lots of issues with that in CB. Not looking very likely we deal Fucale there would be a lot more hype this being his last weekend as a Moosehead if he was being dealt, seems all the other teams even those going for it are set in Goal.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 3, 2014 22:17:23 GMT -4
Two things I'm almost positive Ehlers can't be traded, we don't want Brassard he can't stop the puck lots of issues with that in CB. Not looking very likely we deal Fucale there would be a lot more hype this being his last weekend as a Moosehead if he was being dealt, seems all the other teams even those going for it are set in Goal. AGAIN...if Ehlers has a no trade clause it was put in place by him. If they tell him that they want to trade him to the Remparts and he will play in the Memorial Cup...or he can stay with Halifax and get eliminated in the Second Round of the playoffs, what do u think he will do??
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Post by Murph on Dec 3, 2014 22:36:46 GMT -4
Two things I'm almost positive Ehlers can't be traded, we don't want Brassard he can't stop the puck lots of issues with that in CB. Not looking very likely we deal Fucale there would be a lot more hype this being his last weekend as a Moosehead if he was being dealt, seems all the other teams even those going for it are set in Goal. AGAIN...if Ehlers has a no trade clause it was put in place by him. If they tell him that they want to trade him to the Remparts and he will play in the Memorial Cup...or he can stay with Halifax and get eliminated in the Second Round of the playoffs, what do u think he will do?? Ehlers is a first round pick, who's signed. Once Halifax season ends, he can jump to the NHL (or AHL) and start getting paid. Your logic makes sense for a kid trying to get a deal, or get drafted, however there might be more pros for Ehlers to remain in Halifax and see his season end in March.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 3, 2014 23:14:33 GMT -4
Two things I'm almost positive Ehlers can't be traded, we don't want Brassard he can't stop the puck lots of issues with that in CB. Not looking very likely we deal Fucale there would be a lot more hype this being his last weekend as a Moosehead if he was being dealt, seems all the other teams even those going for it are set in Goal. Why can't he be traded? No trade clauses are illegal...and even if he had one, I'm sure he'd agree to go play in Quebec to finish the season. Just common sense.
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Dec 4, 2014 1:14:41 GMT -4
AGAIN...if Ehlers has a no trade clause it was put in place by him. If they tell him that they want to trade him to the Remparts and he will play in the Memorial Cup...or he can stay with Halifax and get eliminated in the Second Round of the playoffs, what do u think he will do?? Ehlers is a first round pick, who's signed. Once Halifax season ends, he can jump to the NHL (or AHL) and start getting paid. Your logic makes sense for a kid trying to get a deal, or get drafted, however there might be more pros for Ehlers to remain in Halifax and see his season end in March. cant he only jump to the ahl? and if they miss the playoffs, his seasons done.
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