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Post by Gman on Feb 11, 2015 17:44:59 GMT -4
Why is Palov getting access to trades earlier than they are announced if he's not supposed to use that information in a story? And if he's not getting it from the team, why does he owe the team discretion, as it appears he gets reliable info from other sources.
I understand the logistics of leaking trades too early, as it has impact on the players involved, and until the league approves them, there's nothing stopping GM's from backing out, but the news has to be NEWs or it's useless.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2015 17:50:31 GMT -4
CrazyJoe, Jack Bauer is 100% correct. He isn't even referring to dirt, you my good man are the one bringing "dirt" into the argument. To use your MacKenzie example, MacKenzie doesn't wait for a team's say so to break a trade and neither are journalists in other markets. I'm sure Palov didn't sign up for offering this kind of coverage. Other markets spitting it out before the Herald just because the Mooseheads say so?
Any hungry young journalists that are reading this, here is your shot at being #1 on breaking Q news in this market!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 11, 2015 18:21:53 GMT -4
So newspapers and reporters are not in the business to break news and are only there to report on stories the teams want people to see and read? If the Herald's directive was to not report news and to be a fluff newspaper, I guess I could accept that. But to my knowledge, that's the last thing it's trying to pass itself off as. If Palov coming out 48 hours earlier then everyone else and saying 'Fucale to Quebec is a done deal' he's just doing his job. If that costs his access to the team, that's something as a reporter he should be looking to expose as a flaw in the team and organization trying to muzzle the local media. You're essentially encouraging the job of a reporter to be an extension of the team, so shouldnt he be paid by the team and work for them rather then an independent news source? I am not encouraging it - I am saying it exists and that is the reason for it. Some reporters can dig up dirt and ask their tough questions if they want, but others will be more neutral for the reasons I mentioned. Who knows what direction Palov in particular has given re: his team coverage. Maybe the Herald just asked him to comment on the games, interview the players, and write the occasional piece on the league/trades etc. He doesn't write many articles breaking news about personal issues of players on other teams either. Maybe it's not what they expect of him. Again, in a perfect world, reporters write all the good/bad details they have about a team, and that team keep feeding him good interviews and information regardless. But realistically, if I whisper a deal to you that is almost done expecting you to comment only that some deals are in the works, maybe drop a hint etc... and you go and write out the trade exactly - I probably stop giving you info (or I should anyway). If I leak a trade or write an article about how some player is a bad apple in the room - why, as GM, would I be happy to see you show up asking to interview some players or get some trade info etc? Look at Bob McKenzie and Steve Simmons. There is room for both apparently. MacKenzie knows tons of dirt, but that is not his thing to really report on, and he continues to have great relationships with hockey people and provide lots of good info. Simmons has burned a lot of bridges writing the stuff he does. Same reason I don't see why Guru needs to vent about Palov - he is basically covering the team with a Bob MacKenzie style approach vs. Simmons. MacKenzie may not post dirt but he breaks trades. This mornings blockbuster came from him before anyone else. While he was travelling Dreger confirmed the trade call was done. Whats the point of his role if he is to wait for the trade to become official before reporting on it? if he sat on deals like that TSN would have no use for him. They're in the sports news business and breaking news is the best way to sell your product to the people wanting that information. Apparently the scribes in Quebec are using the normal standard while in the Maritimes we've created our own then wonder why things are done differently elsewhere. Makes no sense.
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Post by mooseinfo on Feb 11, 2015 19:34:36 GMT -4
I have missed nothing I wanted to know because of Maritime reporting.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2015 19:47:21 GMT -4
I have missed nothing I wanted to know because of Maritime reporting. It is a matter of principle.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Feb 11, 2015 20:05:29 GMT -4
I am not encouraging it - I am saying it exists and that is the reason for it. Some reporters can dig up dirt and ask their tough questions if they want, but others will be more neutral for the reasons I mentioned. Who knows what direction Palov in particular has given re: his team coverage. Maybe the Herald just asked him to comment on the games, interview the players, and write the occasional piece on the league/trades etc. He doesn't write many articles breaking news about personal issues of players on other teams either. Maybe it's not what they expect of him. Again, in a perfect world, reporters write all the good/bad details they have about a team, and that team keep feeding him good interviews and information regardless. But realistically, if I whisper a deal to you that is almost done expecting you to comment only that some deals are in the works, maybe drop a hint etc... and you go and write out the trade exactly - I probably stop giving you info (or I should anyway). If I leak a trade or write an article about how some player is a bad apple in the room - why, as GM, would I be happy to see you show up asking to interview some players or get some trade info etc? Look at Bob McKenzie and Steve Simmons. There is room for both apparently. MacKenzie knows tons of dirt, but that is not his thing to really report on, and he continues to have great relationships with hockey people and provide lots of good info. Simmons has burned a lot of bridges writing the stuff he does. Same reason I don't see why Guru needs to vent about Palov - he is basically covering the team with a Bob MacKenzie style approach vs. Simmons. MacKenzie may not post dirt but he breaks trades. This mornings blockbuster came from him before anyone else. While he was travelling Dreger confirmed the trade call was done. Whats the point of his role if he is to wait for the trade to become official before reporting on it? if he sat on deals like that TSN would have no use for him. They're in the sports news business and breaking news is the best way to sell your product to the people wanting that information. Apparently the scribes in Quebec are using the normal standard while in the Maritimes we've created our own then wonder why things are done differently elsewhere. Makes no sense. The GM's are telling the reporters apparently, who are then repeating them in their media. The GMs shouldn't be telling them this, especially if it keeps getting reported. Those GMs clearly don't seem to care if its reported - which is against league rules. I think I am looking at the whole situation of team/reporter relationships differently than other are here. Maybe I misunderstood the point. My point is that a reporter like Palov provides tons of content and has a good relationship with Cam and the team because of the trust they have. That is my point - that some beat reporters for sports teams will avoid pissing off the team with a leaked trade or a bunch of columns on players personal lives to maintain a strong working relationship. I am not encouraging it, I am simply stating this is why not ALL reporters are trying to break a story/trade. Cochrane is more the guy that will make blurbs about stuff like that - so it does exist here. But Palov isn't that guy. Re: MacKenzie - he is known as one of Canada's top insiders... his job is dig for those details from all sources and present it to a National audience. He isn't tied to 1 team. Most GM's know info will get out, and the talking heads get paid big money to know that stuff. I don't think it would be as personal to the Kings to hear MacKenzie break a trade on the LA Kings as it would for Palov to go write a tweet about an exact deal in the works that Cam just let him know about, especially if Cam tells him to keep the details he shares with followers minimal. Its a much closer relationship in a much smaller market, where sometimes reporters like Palov need to keep their season long info source happy.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2015 21:06:25 GMT -4
So what is the difference between Scott McIntosh and Willy Palov? I'm not sure if there is.
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