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Post by Porkchop on Jan 17, 2015 20:06:43 GMT -4
Time will tell, won't it Porky? And as CJD said, Fucale is no longer a Moosehead so the issue should not be brought up on these boards at all now. You just love to get the Halifax fans riled up with your dumb comments. I hope he gets some good NHL coaching and turns out to be a great NHL goaltender.
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 17, 2015 20:11:27 GMT -4
I'm not ignoring the last 2 years at all.....that would be the part about playing with great teams in front of him. My opinion on Fucale is that he is a good goalie...solid even....just not the superstar that people make him out to be. I came back to read about a trade.... surprised that you didn't get more for a perceived superstar. That's all. I don't believe there are any other trades of this nature within the last 10 seasons that you can use as reference for that statement. Assuming both 2018 picks were for Murphy, the fact that we got a 1st, a 3rd, and a goalie we can use for a year and a half in exchange for a goalie we could use for 3 months is pretty good in my books. I know you're only making the statement to hammer down how "just good not great" Fucale is. But that could be an absolute stellar return for a stellar goaltender and none of us would know it. Fact of the matter is this: Scouts and NHL GMs thought he was good enough to be ranked in the 1st round of the NHL draft (drafted in the 2nd of course). Hockey Canada thought he was good enough to start for team Canada as an 18yo. "Oh but he was on a GREAT team and Hockey Canada goes with what they know". From the outside looking in, if you were making a decision on the caliber of a particular goaltender, and you had to side with Hockey Canada, NHL scouts and GMs, or side with posters on a message board, which would you choose? That is what makes this argument so ridiculously funny. Fucale is a great goaltender. He was the best 17yo goaltender in Canada at the time. We've never said once that he's the best 19yo goaltender in Canada, so saying so is just a trollish stab at a fanbase when there are no other strengths to your argument. Fucale has flattened out a bit with his progression, and I hope he can become a bit more consistent with constant pro coaching. He was never the best goalie in Canada, at 17 or 19.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jan 17, 2015 20:19:40 GMT -4
This obsession by a 40 year old man of a teenage boy is concerning.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 17, 2015 20:37:11 GMT -4
I don't believe there are any other trades of this nature within the last 10 seasons that you can use as reference for that statement. Assuming both 2018 picks were for Murphy, the fact that we got a 1st, a 3rd, and a goalie we can use for a year and a half in exchange for a goalie we could use for 3 months is pretty good in my books. I know you're only making the statement to hammer down how "just good not great" Fucale is. But that could be an absolute stellar return for a stellar goaltender and none of us would know it. Fact of the matter is this: Scouts and NHL GMs thought he was good enough to be ranked in the 1st round of the NHL draft (drafted in the 2nd of course). Hockey Canada thought he was good enough to start for team Canada as an 18yo. "Oh but he was on a GREAT team and Hockey Canada goes with what they know". From the outside looking in, if you were making a decision on the caliber of a particular goaltender, and you had to side with Hockey Canada, NHL scouts and GMs, or side with posters on a message board, which would you choose? That is what makes this argument so ridiculously funny. Fucale is a great goaltender. He was the best 17yo goaltender in Canada at the time. We've never said once that he's the best 19yo goaltender in Canada, so saying so is just a trollish stab at a fanbase when there are no other strengths to your argument. Fucale has flattened out a bit with his progression, and I hope he can become a bit more consistent with constant pro coaching. He was never the best goalie in Canada, at 17 or 19. What are you basing that on? At 17, in particular. At the start of his 17 year old season, he was already a 1st round Q draft selection, U18 gold medal goaltender, defensive rookie of the year award, and set the Q record for wins by a rookie. At the end of his 17 year old season, he won the Memorial Cup and was named the #1 ranked north american goalie for the upcoming draft. So who was the best at 17 and what's your criteria? If you INSIST on belittling him every single time he gets a compliment on this board, you probably have a great argument.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 17, 2015 20:47:02 GMT -4
I don't believe there are any other trades of this nature within the last 10 seasons that you can use as reference for that statement. Assuming both 2018 picks were for Murphy, the fact that we got a 1st, a 3rd, and a goalie we can use for a year and a half in exchange for a goalie we could use for 3 months is pretty good in my books. I know you're only making the statement to hammer down how "just good not great" Fucale is. But that could be an absolute stellar return for a stellar goaltender and none of us would know it. Fact of the matter is this: Scouts and NHL GMs thought he was good enough to be ranked in the 1st round of the NHL draft (drafted in the 2nd of course). Hockey Canada thought he was good enough to start for team Canada as an 18yo. "Oh but he was on a GREAT team and Hockey Canada goes with what they know". From the outside looking in, if you were making a decision on the caliber of a particular goaltender, and you had to side with Hockey Canada, NHL scouts and GMs, or side with posters on a message board, which would you choose? That is what makes this argument so ridiculously funny. Fucale is a great goaltender. He was the best 17yo goaltender in Canada at the time. We've never said once that he's the best 19yo goaltender in Canada, so saying so is just a trollish stab at a fanbase when there are no other strengths to your argument. Fucale has flattened out a bit with his progression, and I hope he can become a bit more consistent with constant pro coaching. He was never the best goalie in Canada, at 17 or 19. The argument is over Porky. Everyone has said their piece. You won't be able to say anything else to change anyone's mind, or prove your point. And vice versa... we won't be able to prove our point any more now. It's important to respect everyone's opinion on here, regardless of what you think of it. I respect your opinion, and agree to disagree.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 17, 2015 21:17:21 GMT -4
This obsession by a 40 year old man of a teenage boy is concerning. We all sit here and debate what these "teenage boys" do ... you even like to collect video of teenaged boys fighting. Just sayin' ...
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 17, 2015 21:21:22 GMT -4
He was never the best goalie in Canada, at 17 or 19. What are you basing that on? At 17, in particular. At the start of his 17 year old season, he was already a 1st round Q draft selection, U18 gold medal goaltender, defensive rookie of the year award, and set the Q record for wins by a rookie. At the end of his 17 year old season, he won the Memorial Cup and was named the #1 ranked north american goalie for the upcoming draft. So who was the best at 17 and what's your criteria? If you INSIST on belittling him every single time he gets a compliment on this board, you probably have a great argument. All of those team awards aren't my criteria. You float that arguement everytime and it doesn't get any closer to correct each time. Name the things he did by himself that weren't affected by the team he played on.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 17, 2015 21:24:27 GMT -4
He was never the best goalie in Canada, at 17 or 19. The argument is over Porky. Everyone has said their piece. You won't be able to say anything else to change anyone's mind, or prove your point. And vice versa... we won't be able to prove our point any more now. It's important to respect everyone's opinion on here, regardless of what you think of it. I respect your opinion, and agree to disagree. Go play with yourself somewhere else if you don't want to participate in the discussion. The discussion is done when nobody wants to talk about it anymore ... but they are still talking and so are you ... but Porky can't ? Stop being a princess.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jan 17, 2015 21:41:24 GMT -4
This obsession by a 40 year old man of a teenage boy is concerning. We all sit here and debate what these "teenage boys" do ... you even like to collect video of teenaged boys fighting. Just sayin' ... I have a job to produce content for a popular and successful website. But following round one kid for nearly three years watching his every move waiting to rag on him?
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 17, 2015 21:44:22 GMT -4
What are you basing that on? At 17, in particular. At the start of his 17 year old season, he was already a 1st round Q draft selection, U18 gold medal goaltender, defensive rookie of the year award, and set the Q record for wins by a rookie. At the end of his 17 year old season, he won the Memorial Cup and was named the #1 ranked north american goalie for the upcoming draft. So who was the best at 17 and what's your criteria? If you INSIST on belittling him every single time he gets a compliment on this board, you probably have a great argument. All of those team awards aren't my criteria. You float that arguement everytime and it doesn't get any closer to correct each time. Name the things he did by himself that weren't affected by the team he played on. How can you say the teams he played on didn't enjoy the success they did because of his impact in on the team? It's all opinion. How can you say any goaltender is as good as his numbers are on a top team? Just imagine that everytime someone mention Riopel in a comment, 1 or 2 Moose fans came on to tell you he was only good because of the team he played for. I bet most Moncton fans had Riopel in the top 3 goaltenders in his last year - even though under Flynn, you could hardly get a scoring chance in close. So how do you think your fan base would react to someone telling you endlessly that Riopel is only good because of the team he is on. It gets exhausting. This is now year 3 of this on this board. This argument won't be proven either way, as Reesor said. It would be nice if Porky in particular would just stop teling this fan base the same thing over and over at this point.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 17, 2015 21:49:27 GMT -4
We all sit here and debate what these "teenage boys" do ... you even like to collect video of teenaged boys fighting. Just sayin' ... I have a job to produce content for a popular and successful website. But following round one kid for nearly three years watching his every move waiting to rag on him? You justify it to yourself however you need to ... but it is still teen aged boys ... as you brought up in the first place.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jan 17, 2015 21:57:50 GMT -4
I have a job to produce content for a popular and successful website. But following round one kid for nearly three years watching his every move waiting to rag on him? You justify it to yourself however you need to ... but it is still teen aged boys ... as you brought up in the first place. I guess the same can be said for any beat writer that covers junior hockey then.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 17, 2015 22:02:10 GMT -4
You justify it to yourself however you need to ... but it is still teen aged boys ... as you brought up in the first place. I guess the same can be said for any beat writer that covers junior hockey then. You suddenly seem very defensive
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jan 17, 2015 22:07:55 GMT -4
I guess the same can be said for any beat writer that covers junior hockey then. You suddenly seem very defensive Not at all. But how is that any different? Fights have been a part of the game for a long time and some people want to see how they go. I just work for a website that provides that across a number of leagues. Supply and Demand. But how is that comparable to following one player around for three years waiting for any opportunity to tag on them?
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 17, 2015 22:15:12 GMT -4
You suddenly seem very defensive Not at all. But how is that any different? Fights have been a part of the game for a long time and some people want to see how they go. I just work for a website that provides that across a number of leagues. Supply and Demand. But how is that comparable to following one player around for three years waiting for any opportunity to tag on them? See ? Defensive. You took shitty shot at him ... I took a shitty shot at you. But you didn't like it. Stop being a dick.
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