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Post by SteveUL on Jan 15, 2015 13:40:06 GMT -4
"He" being Porkchop ... right ? thought it was pretty easy to follow along I get distracted easily.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 15, 2015 16:49:34 GMT -4
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Post by Beaver Banker on Jan 16, 2015 11:20:15 GMT -4
Fucale had a convenient opportunity to break in new equipment:
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Post by sc74 on Jan 16, 2015 18:03:52 GMT -4
This is what I thought when I saw his set at the WJC!
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 16, 2015 18:59:07 GMT -4
And you can flip that argument by saying if 90% of Fucale's success is only because of the teams he was on as some argue, he got a great return. I think last night's shutout proved the overwhelmingly positive effect he has on the teams he backstops. That team was struggling and lacking leadership the last little while, now they turn in a dominate, contender-like performance. Coincidence? In fairness to Steve it was Pork Chop that said 90% of Fucale's success was due to the teams he has played on. What success has he had without a great team in front of him? He had a very good rookie year and plateau'd from there...never really got any better. The Olivier Roy of this era. This season shows how much the great teams really helped.
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 16, 2015 19:00:38 GMT -4
Fucale had a convenient opportunity to break in new equipment: the 2nd picture is a very good one.....shows him out of position and looks like the one where Russia scored the OT winner against him in exhibition.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 16, 2015 19:31:40 GMT -4
In fairness to Steve it was Pork Chop that said 90% of Fucale's success was due to the teams he has played on. What success has he had without a great team in front of him? He had a very good rookie year and plateau'd from there...never really got any better. The Olivier Roy of this era. This season shows how much the great teams really helped. wow, here you go AGAIN. Did you know that he actually had his worst statistical season as a rookie, behind what became a pretty good team? Much better than this years team. One day you will understand the goalie's ability to do the job night after night plays a pretty key part in team success. The way you go on, the goalie has no impact on the teams success - so why not just dress the stick boy?
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 17, 2015 10:22:01 GMT -4
What success has he had without a great team in front of him? He had a very good rookie year and plateau'd from there...never really got any better. The Olivier Roy of this era. This season shows how much the great teams really helped. wow, here you go AGAIN. Did you know that he actually had his worst statistical season as a rookie, behind what became a pretty good team? Much better than this years team. One day you will understand the goalie's ability to do the job night after night plays a pretty key part in team success. The way you go on, the goalie has no impact on the teams success - so why not just dress the stick boy? As you would expect he had worse numbers as a 16 year old, but still a very good season for a 16 year old rookie.......by the time he is 19 and has the superstar status that he has, one would tend to think he should have superstar numbers to back that up.
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Post by novicefan on Jan 17, 2015 10:56:11 GMT -4
Gentlemen - he's not our goalie anymore, no need to get bent outta shape. Let's play nice how bout we talk about who we have and not who we don't.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 17, 2015 11:46:40 GMT -4
wow, here you go AGAIN. Did you know that he actually had his worst statistical season as a rookie, behind what became a pretty good team? Much better than this years team. One day you will understand the goalie's ability to do the job night after night plays a pretty key part in team success. The way you go on, the goalie has no impact on the teams success - so why not just dress the stick boy? As you would expect he had worse numbers as a 16 year old, but still a very good season for a 16 year old rookie.......by the time he is 19 and has the superstar status that he has, one would tend to think he should have superstar numbers to back that up. It's almost like you ignore the last 2 years, and hand pick the year he plays on a rebuilding team littered with rookies. And yet he's still "ranked" 7th. Before Xmas his GAA was about 3.00 and %.900+- before a bad road trip by the team took a big chunk out of it - before he left to win a gold medal to add to his collection as the Canadian #1 goaltender. It won't be long before his stats are back to where they should be. Again though - we all know your opinion on Fucale. At what point will you stop coming to THIS board and saying the same thing over and over? He isn't even here anymore. There is nothing for you to add - as a fan base, we will generally be hoping he has success with Quebec and can perhaps set a few more records along the way. Can you leave that with us instead of continually degrading the guy's achievements?
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 17, 2015 16:32:55 GMT -4
As you would expect he had worse numbers as a 16 year old, but still a very good season for a 16 year old rookie.......by the time he is 19 and has the superstar status that he has, one would tend to think he should have superstar numbers to back that up. It's almost like you ignore the last 2 years, and hand pick the year he plays on a rebuilding team littered with rookies. And yet he's still "ranked" 7th. Before Xmas his GAA was about 3.00 and %.900+- before a bad road trip by the team took a big chunk out of it - before he left to win a gold medal to add to his collection as the Canadian #1 goaltender. It won't be long before his stats are back to where they should be. Again though - we all know your opinion on Fucale. At what point will you stop coming to THIS board and saying the same thing over and over? He isn't even here anymore. There is nothing for you to add - as a fan base, we will generally be hoping he has success with Quebec and can perhaps set a few more records along the way. Can you leave that with us instead of continually degrading the guy's achievements? I'm not ignoring the last 2 years at all.....that would be the part about playing with great teams in front of him. My opinion on Fucale is that he is a good goalie...solid even....just not the superstar that people make him out to be. I came back to read about a trade....surprised that you didn't get more for a perceived superstar. That's all.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 17, 2015 17:38:28 GMT -4
It's almost like you ignore the last 2 years, and hand pick the year he plays on a rebuilding team littered with rookies. And yet he's still "ranked" 7th. Before Xmas his GAA was about 3.00 and %.900+- before a bad road trip by the team took a big chunk out of it - before he left to win a gold medal to add to his collection as the Canadian #1 goaltender. It won't be long before his stats are back to where they should be. Again though - we all know your opinion on Fucale. At what point will you stop coming to THIS board and saying the same thing over and over? He isn't even here anymore. There is nothing for you to add - as a fan base, we will generally be hoping he has success with Quebec and can perhaps set a few more records along the way. Can you leave that with us instead of continually degrading the guy's achievements? I'm not ignoring the last 2 years at all.....that would be the part about playing with great teams in front of him. My opinion on Fucale is that he is a good goalie...solid even....just not the superstar that people make him out to be. I came back to read about a trade.... surprised that you didn't get more for a perceived superstar. That's all. I don't believe there are any other trades of this nature within the last 10 seasons that you can use as reference for that statement. Assuming both 2018 picks were for Murphy, the fact that we got a 1st, a 3rd, and a goalie we can use for a year and a half in exchange for a goalie we could use for 3 months is pretty good in my books. I know you're only making the statement to hammer down how "just good not great" Fucale is. But that could be an absolute stellar return for a stellar goaltender and none of us would know it. Fact of the matter is this: Scouts and NHL GMs thought he was good enough to be ranked in the 1st round of the NHL draft (drafted in the 2nd of course). Hockey Canada thought he was good enough to start for team Canada as an 18yo. "Oh but he was on a GREAT team and Hockey Canada goes with what they know". From the outside looking in, if you were making a decision on the caliber of a particular goaltender, and you had to side with Hockey Canada, NHL scouts and GMs, or side with posters on a message board, which would you choose? That is what makes this argument so ridiculously funny. Fucale is a great goaltender. He was the best 17yo goaltender in Canada at the time. We've never said once that he's the best 19yo goaltender in Canada, so saying so is just a trollish stab at a fanbase when there are no other strengths to your argument. Fucale has flattened out a bit with his progression, and I hope he can become a bit more consistent with constant pro coaching.
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Post by auntjude on Jan 17, 2015 18:25:50 GMT -4
Time will tell, won't it Porky? And as CJD said, Fucale is no longer a Moosehead so the issue should not be brought up on these boards at all now. You just love to get the Halifax fans riled up with your dumb comments.
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Post by defresh101 on Jan 17, 2015 19:45:31 GMT -4
It's funny how our debates with Porky have evolved over the last decade or so. I remember in the good old days when it was a constant argument of what team was going to be better that season Bathurst or Halifax. Been a while since we have been able to have that talk. Have we really stretched over the Years now with the only argument we can have is........ your goalie that broke several team League/Team records, took you to a memorial Cup, won WJ Gold Medal and is drafted by the Habs is over rated. Wow........ who cares he is not our goalie anymore and we have a possible Top 4 Midget draft pick next year for trading him, The same kinda pick guys will have this year if your team does not fold soon for obvious reasons. We got our pick because someone thinks our goalie was worth it you got you pick because you ice the worst Junior hockey team in the league if not the CHL. But as funny as it is we still have something to debate with you.
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 17, 2015 20:05:56 GMT -4
It's funny how our debates with Porky have evolved over the last decade or so. I remember in the good old days when it was a constant argument of what team was going to be better that season Bathurst or Halifax. Been a while since we have been able to have that talk. Have we really stretched over the Years now with the only argument we can have is........ your goalie that broke several team League/Team records, took you to a memorial Cup, won WJ Gold Medal and is drafted by the Habs is over rated. Wow........ who cares he is not our goalie anymore and we have a possible Top 4 Midget draft pick next year for trading him, The same kinda pick guys will have this year if your team does not fold soon for obvious reasons. We got our pick because someone thinks our goalie was worth it you got you pick because you ice the worst Junior hockey team in the league if not the CHL. But as funny as it is we still have something to debate with you. I hope you're not trying to hurt my feelings by talking about the Bathurst team...lol. I haven't been to the rink since March of last season.
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