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Post by SteveUL on Jan 17, 2015 22:31:56 GMT -4
Another 12 save night for Fucale ... didn't even have to play 60 mins.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 17, 2015 22:35:03 GMT -4
The argument is over Porky. Everyone has said their piece. You won't be able to say anything else to change anyone's mind, or prove your point. And vice versa... we won't be able to prove our point any more now. It's important to respect everyone's opinion on here, regardless of what you think of it. I respect your opinion, and agree to disagree. Go play with yourself somewhere else if you don't want to participate in the discussion. The discussion is done when nobody wants to talk about it anymore ... but they are still talking and so are you ... but Porky can't ? Stop being a princess. Just trying to save yourself and Porky some keystrokes. You're both saying the same things over and over again. Actually most people are. It has literally been "Fucale is great" "No he isn't" "Yes he is" "No he isn't" for the past two weeks. The posts may keep on coming, but the meat and potatoes of the argument was said weeks ago. Now it's just a race to see who can get the last word in. The boards are for discussion, and for the tenth time, I'll never come on here on a high horse and attempt to squash discussion. Just pointing out the obvious... the arguement has run its course. ^^ nice post up there btw. This Fucale business is eating up inside if you have to resort to that filth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 23:06:31 GMT -4
Another 12 save night for Fucale ... didn't even have to play 60 mins. Steve 18-3 = 15 Math must not be your strong point. You calling YDG a dick.........kettle black. Funny how you never commented on the thread after Zach stole the game from Russia in the super series. Yet you comment on most threads on this board may times taking both sides of the argument just to hear (read) yourself speak. You never had much to say after Zach won WJ gold yet you jump on here in a second to point out how he did tonight. Hey he was third star. All I know is that we won a Memorial and Presidents Cup. Win baby win, that is what Zach did for us it was a hell of a ride and I enjoyed every minute.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jan 17, 2015 23:08:42 GMT -4
Not at all. But how is that any different? Fights have been a part of the game for a long time and some people want to see how they go. I just work for a website that provides that across a number of leagues. Supply and Demand. But how is that comparable to following one player around for three years waiting for any opportunity to tag on them? See ? Defensive. You took shitty shot at him ... I took a shitty shot at you. But you didn't like it. Stop being a dick. Wow, someone is a dick for pointing out someone who is really being a dick but then by that logic you are a dick. Probably closer to call him a cyber bully but who is the professional lawyer type?
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Post by Porkchop on Jan 17, 2015 23:08:51 GMT -4
This obsession by a 40 year old man of a teenage boy is concerning. Concerning? Really? Quite possibly the dumbest post you've ever made.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 18, 2015 11:36:13 GMT -4
Another 12 save night for Fucale ... didn't even have to play 60 mins. Steve 18-3 = 15 Math must not be your strong point. You calling YDG a dick.........kettle black. Funny how you never commented on the thread after Zach stole the game from Russia in the super series. Yet you comment on most threads on this board may times taking both sides of the argument just to hear (read) yourself speak. You never had much to say after Zach won WJ gold yet you jump on here in a second to point out how he did tonight. Hey he was third star. All I know is that we won a Memorial and Presidents Cup. Win baby win, that is what Zach did for us it was a hell of a ride and I enjoyed every minute. When I posted that, it was an unofficial final ... they must have padded his stats after the final whistle. Stole the game from Russia ? When was that ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 11:53:40 GMT -4
Steve 18-3 = 15 Math must not be your strong point. You calling YDG a dick.........kettle black. Funny how you never commented on the thread after Zach stole the game from Russia in the super series. Yet you comment on most threads on this board may times taking both sides of the argument just to hear (read) yourself speak. You never had much to say after Zach won WJ gold yet you jump on here in a second to point out how he did tonight. Hey he was third star. All I know is that we won a Memorial and Presidents Cup. Win baby win, that is what Zach did for us it was a hell of a ride and I enjoyed every minute. When I posted that, it was an unofficial final ... they must have padded his stats after the final whistle. Stole the game from Russia ? When was that ? Webber clearly said in the SUPER SERIES- obviously READING is NOT your STRONG SUIT.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 18, 2015 12:35:34 GMT -4
When I posted that, it was an unofficial final ... they must have padded his stats after the final whistle. Stole the game from Russia ? When was that ? Webber clearly said in the SUPER SERIES- obviously READING is NOT your STRONG SUIT. I never watch the super series ... tough to comment on it.
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Post by Gman on Jan 18, 2015 14:01:29 GMT -4
Webber clearly said in the SUPER SERIES- obviously READING is NOT your STRONG SUIT. I never watch the super series ... tough to comment on it. You asked for an example of when Fucale did something that wasn't boosted by the team around him. Webber gave you that example. Not his fault that you are too ignorant to know what he's talking about. /thread
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 18, 2015 16:50:16 GMT -4
I never watch the super series ... tough to comment on it. You asked for an example of when Fucale did something that wasn't boosted by the team around him. Webber gave you that example. Not his fault that you are too ignorant to know what he's talking about. /thread You seem to think that I didn't expect anybody to come up with an answer. I've always maintained that he is a good goaltender. But is that it ? Pulling up a game that he was strong in doesn't show anybody that he is better than others. Last night Dubeau was the difference in the game ... the night before he wasn't good at all. One game is not evidence of anything. I've seen Fucale play strong games ... I've seen him be good (just average ... good enough to win with a good team) ... and i've seen him have a few stinkers ... just like any other good goaltender. You can use that game as your evidence ... then lets consider his biggest game this year where his team had a 5-1 lead. He was able to hold on but wasn't the calming influence he needed to be ... and certainly wasn't great. But ... behind a strong team he was good enough to win ... just like he always has behind strong teams. Over the last few years ... MacKinnon, Drouin, Ehlers, Frk, etc ... have carried the ball and carried the team with big offense. Fucale did his part and contributed to winning ... good enough to win ... but you guys could win with a different goaltender because he was not a big factor in your championship run. He stopped pucks ... he got scored on ... good enough to win.
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Post by Gman on Jan 18, 2015 19:46:41 GMT -4
You asked for an example of when Fucale did something that wasn't boosted by the team around him. Webber gave you that example. Not his fault that you are too ignorant to know what he's talking about. /thread You seem to think that I didn't expect anybody to come up with an answer. I've always maintained that he is a good goaltender. But is that it ? Pulling up a game that he was strong in doesn't show anybody that he is better than others. Last night Dubeau was the difference in the game ... the night before he wasn't good at all. One game is not evidence of anything. I've seen Fucale play strong games ... I've seen him be good (just average ... good enough to win with a good team) ... and i've seen him have a few stinkers ... just like any other good goaltender. You can use that game as your evidence ... then lets consider his biggest game this year where his team had a 5-1 lead. He was able to hold on but wasn't the calming influence he needed to be ... and certainly wasn't great. But ... behind a strong team he was good enough to win ... just like he always has behind strong teams. Over the last few years ... MacKinnon, Drouin, Ehlers, Frk, etc ... have carried the ball and carried the team with big offense. Fucale did his part and contributed to winning ... good enough to win ... but you guys could win with a different goaltender because he was not a big factor in your championship run. He stopped pucks ... he got scored on ... good enough to win. How many teams win championships on the back of their goaltender. Montreal with Patrick Roy in 1993 maybe? I'm sure there are others but it's rare. Not many do what you and Porkchop seem to be asking for. Most champions have good goaltenders who "stopped pucks, and got scored on". Maybe Fucale isn't special but he has risen above his peers in the eyes of Hockey Canada and the NHL. Ask them the tough questions, since they are the experts.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 18, 2015 20:29:49 GMT -4
You seem to think that I didn't expect anybody to come up with an answer. I've always maintained that he is a good goaltender. But is that it ? Pulling up a game that he was strong in doesn't show anybody that he is better than others. Last night Dubeau was the difference in the game ... the night before he wasn't good at all. One game is not evidence of anything. I've seen Fucale play strong games ... I've seen him be good (just average ... good enough to win with a good team) ... and i've seen him have a few stinkers ... just like any other good goaltender. You can use that game as your evidence ... then lets consider his biggest game this year where his team had a 5-1 lead. He was able to hold on but wasn't the calming influence he needed to be ... and certainly wasn't great. But ... behind a strong team he was good enough to win ... just like he always has behind strong teams. Over the last few years ... MacKinnon, Drouin, Ehlers, Frk, etc ... have carried the ball and carried the team with big offense. Fucale did his part and contributed to winning ... good enough to win ... but you guys could win with a different goaltender because he was not a big factor in your championship run. He stopped pucks ... he got scored on ... good enough to win. How many teams win championships on the back of their goaltender. Montreal with Patrick Roy in 1993 maybe? I'm sure there are others but it's rare. Not many do what you and Porkchop seem to be asking for. Most champions have good goaltenders who "stopped pucks, and got scored on". Maybe Fucale isn't special but he has risen above his peers in the eyes of Hockey Canada and the NHL. Ask them the tough questions, since they are the experts. Most teams win championships on the backs of their goaltender. Most NHL final series are between 2 very strong teams ... both with excellent goaltending. They aren't won by far and away favourites like the Halifax and Saint John champion teams ... we only see that in Jr where the outcome is inevitable ... maybe only in the Q. I don't begrudge Fucale for all he has been able to do in Jr. I just dislike all the hype that he gets that he is not really worthy of ... not his fault at all. At 17 and 18 he was not the best goaltender in the Q ... but apparently he was best in Canada. This year his numbers didn't even get him into the top 10 in the Q ... but he is best in Canada. Everything he has done in the Q is the result of being on a very strong team ... and having a great hype machine behind him. Hockey Canada won't take my calls any mare.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 18, 2015 21:38:15 GMT -4
How many teams win championships on the back of their goaltender. Montreal with Patrick Roy in 1993 maybe? I'm sure there are others but it's rare. Not many do what you and Porkchop seem to be asking for. Most champions have good goaltenders who "stopped pucks, and got scored on". Maybe Fucale isn't special but he has risen above his peers in the eyes of Hockey Canada and the NHL. Ask them the tough questions, since they are the experts. Most teams win championships on the backs of their goaltender. Most NHL final series are between 2 very strong teams ... both with excellent goaltending. They aren't won by far and away favourites like the Halifax and Saint John champion teams ... we only see that in Jr where the outcome is inevitable ... maybe only in the Q. I don't begrudge Fucale for all he has been able to do in Jr. I just dislike all the hype that he gets that he is not really worthy of ... not his fault at all. At 17 and 18 he was not the best goaltender in the Q ... but apparently he was best in Canada. This year his numbers didn't even get him into the top 10 in the Q ... but he is best in Canada. Everything he has done in the Q is the result of being on a very strong team ... and having a great hype machine behind him. Hockey Canada won't take my calls any mare. So... because Halifax were the favourites, Fucale does not get the credit for any wins? He has nothing to do with the "favourite" position? That is insane. What you are claiming above is your opinion. Its not backed up with any real facts, just your own feelings mainly. Yes you can point out some higher save %'s over the years, but that's not the be all, end all argument. We see lots of good goaltenders with good save %'s do nothing in playoffs. We see lots of good goalies have bad games or series's. I pointed out those 10 games late in 2013 where he was a star in 7 of them that you had no comment on, including close games vs Moncton where you outshot us. Last year he held Gatineau to 6 goals in 4 wins. The finals vs. BC he held them to 9 goals in 4 wins (4 of those in 1 game). Many of the games over the past two years, we were even or outshot. We don't play a defensive style, we always give the D the green light, and it has often resulted in great chances the around our net - even if they only have 20 shots. Of course to get to 2nd in all time wins, you will need your offense to bail you out at times and get you some wins you probably shouldn't have got. But there are countless close games over the years, including playoffs, that he was the reason we were able to win them. Bottom line is, you and Porky in particular feel he was a passenger rather than a contributor to our success. Many here will disagree with that. It's not an argument that will change. So maybe try and let some Fucale compliments go without telling us how overrated he was?
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Post by defresh101 on Jan 19, 2015 9:35:12 GMT -4
Crazy Joe you are never gonna win these arguments with Steve or Porky. They live for this stuff they can out last you. But how good Fucale is...... who knows it is a debate we can have forever. We must remember hockey is a team game and takes a team to win.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Jan 19, 2015 9:42:30 GMT -4
Crazy Joe you are never gonna win these arguments with Steve or Porky. They live for this stuff they can out last you. But how good Fucale is...... who knows it is a debate we can have forever. We must remember hockey is a team game and takes a team to win. We'll find out soon enough how good Fucale is, or isn't. Unless Fucale gets traded to a real team like L.A. or Chicago, he's part of the crappy Habs organization. The Habs suck, so if Fucale has success there it means Fucale is really good. On the flip side if Fucale struggles you could use a reverse arguement of saying Fucale is still good, just the Habs suck and are dragging him down....which would take this whole arguement on a 180 degree tilt.
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