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Post by catnut on Dec 9, 2014 9:55:11 GMT -4
I don't see the point for a contender to replace Donaghey with Johnston... If Donaghey was going at the draft, it would make sense but not now. It makes even less sense for a seller to be picking up Brassard and Burke and your spare parts for Sweeney and Tkachev. If the Cats do that, they're getting hosed. Especially from a team that is forced to buy.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 9, 2014 10:08:01 GMT -4
I don't see the point for a contender to replace Donaghey with Johnston... If Donaghey was going at the draft, it would make sense but not now. It makes even less sense for a seller to be picking up Brassard and Burke and your spare parts for Sweeney and Tkachev. If the Cats do that, they're getting hosed. Especially from a team that is forced to buy. Donaghey a spare part?!
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Post by sc74 on Dec 9, 2014 10:08:52 GMT -4
sc74 looking at the Quebec roster on the Q site Jesse Sutton is listed on the active roster yet he shows as not playing any games at all.... what's the story there? Got a shoulder surgery in September. He was supposed to be out 4 months.
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Post by catnut on Dec 9, 2014 10:10:14 GMT -4
It makes even less sense for a seller to be picking up Brassard and Burke and your spare parts for Sweeney and Tkachev. If the Cats do that, they're getting hosed. Especially from a team that is forced to buy. Donaghey a spare part?! You just said it would not be Donaghey.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 9, 2014 10:13:16 GMT -4
I said it would not be Donaghey for Johnston, not Sweeney. I'd have no problem giving up Donaghey now if Sweeney is coming.
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Post by catnut on Dec 9, 2014 10:16:41 GMT -4
I said it would not be Donaghey for Johnston, not Sweeney. I'd have no problem giving up Donaghey now if Sweeney is coming. I still don't think that's nearly enough, especially since the Cats are also giving away a 2nd. There has to be more substance coming Moncton's way.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 9, 2014 10:17:34 GMT -4
It makes even less sense for a seller to be picking up Brassard and Burke and your spare parts for Sweeney and Tkachev. If the Cats do that, they're getting hosed. Especially from a team that is forced to buy. Donaghey a spare part?! Donaghey isn't a spare part, but for Sweeney, I don't see why the Cats would make that kind of deal. The only way, if I was GM, that I'd send Sweeney to Quebec is if Booth was in the deal. Especially that the Cats are also sending Tkachev who can be a dominant player plus a 2nd rounder. Brassard(at the draft) and Burke(a spare part) don't have a lot of value at this point.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 9, 2014 10:17:45 GMT -4
I don't know. The more I think about it, the more I believe it's not going to be Sweeney.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Dec 9, 2014 10:19:42 GMT -4
Admittedly I don’t really know very much about Quebec’s 16-17 YO players. From what I gather though they don’t seem like real high end guys. Aside from Booth anyway. In the last two years Quebec has had zero 1st round picks and their only 2nd round pick was Hanifin.
This leads me to believe that Sweeney is definitely not involved in the trade. Especially if there’s no Booth or at least Donaghey involved.
I’m not real sure what to think about any of this right now, but it’s probably best to take the wait and see approach. So many rumours floating around that who the heck knows what’s actually going to happen when the dust settles.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 9, 2014 10:20:28 GMT -4
Hodge had an article in today's paper profiling Taylor Burke ... He offered the following comparison to Lalonde: " Burke is replacing Lalonde as one of Moncton’s 20-year-olds. Burke probably won’t produce as much offence as Lalonde did, but he’s much better defensively, provides more size and physical presence, and he also has stronger character and leadership skills." The last part comes as a bit of a surprise considering Lalonde was our captain ... makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes to cause Lalonde to fall out of favour with the Cats and prompt his move. I don't think Lalonde was a good captain and have said here several times. It was most apparent last year in the playoffs where nobody was leading the way until the 3rd period of each game. Same thing this year ... we start slow ... we need a captain that can set the tone with hard work ... like a Zack Sill type of player. Burke will be closer to that style of player. If we look at these two trades at face value for now ... we are a stronger team with Burke in the lineup than we have been for the last month. We have lacked consistency this year because we have a lack of leadership.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 9, 2014 10:22:39 GMT -4
Either way, it might not make sense as of now.
Sending Donaghey for Johnston, I don't see the point for Quebec as they don't get better on defense.
Sending Donaghey for Sweeney, the value doesn't seem high enough on Moncton's side.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Dec 9, 2014 10:25:13 GMT -4
Hodge had an article in today's paper profiling Taylor Burke ... He offered the following comparison to Lalonde: " Burke is replacing Lalonde as one of Moncton’s 20-year-olds. Burke probably won’t produce as much offence as Lalonde did, but he’s much better defensively, provides more size and physical presence, and he also has stronger character and leadership skills." The last part comes as a bit of a surprise considering Lalonde was our captain ... makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes to cause Lalonde to fall out of favour with the Cats and prompt his move. It was almost chsb-esque, throwing a former player under the bus as soon as he leaves town I'll say this much...for me Lalonde never really showed much leadership on the ice. Sure he could put the puck in the net, but he wasn't exactly the hardest working player I've ever seen. Never someone who would go out there and set the tone with a hard working shift. In contrast that sounds like exactly what Burke is going to bring to the team.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 9, 2014 10:27:09 GMT -4
I don't see Donaghey going if Sweeney isn't in the deal. By the same token, assuming you get Tkachev Johnston and a 2nd rounder...what makes sense going with Burke and Brassard(at the draft) for that deal to make sense? Fiori Thobodeau Sutton and co are not high end prospects... Johnston obviously doesn't have Sweeney's value but I'm sure with the lack of good 19 year olds this year that the cats could get really good return for him by himself. He wouldn't just be a throw in..plus the 2nd rounder would be an asset to be used to bring something else in or to start the rebuild... The way I read the article ... the 2nd was just speculation. I think it was said that it was just a pick, and the reporter suggested it could be the 2nd from the Lalonde deal. Maybe I read it wrong.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 9, 2014 10:28:44 GMT -4
By the same token, assuming you get Tkachev Johnston and a 2nd rounder...what makes sense going with Burke and Brassard(at the draft) for that deal to make sense? Fiori Thobodeau Sutton and co are not high end prospects... Johnston obviously doesn't have Sweeney's value but I'm sure with the lack of good 19 year olds this year that the cats could get really good return for him by himself. He wouldn't just be a throw in..plus the 2nd rounder would be an asset to be used to bring something else in or to start the rebuild... The way I read the article ... the 2nd was just speculation. I think it was said that it was just a pick, and the reporter suggested it could be the 2nd from the Lalonde deal. Maybe I read it wrong. You're right. He was just speculating. He doesn't know which pick it is.
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Post by bois on Dec 9, 2014 10:33:33 GMT -4
I like Burke alot... never liked Lalonde...... but i'm actually surprised he didn't pan out better in Quebec .. i would have thought he'd be a great leader for them in their Memorial Cup year
I think adding Burke and subtracting Lalonde doesn't hurt you guys really at all..... but losing Tkachev and whatever other pieces you are also sending to Quebec certainly does.....
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