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Post by mooseinfo on Jan 9, 2015 14:54:28 GMT -4
It seems more and more teams are setting up before the season starts when building a contender. I think many learned the lesson that prices were just too high at Xmas and Chemistry takes time.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 9, 2015 14:58:45 GMT -4
Definitely a chance we flip Donaghey, wouldn't surprise me at all. Only thing I would say to that, is trade value tends to be higher at xmas, as opposed to the draft. Not a massive difference, but usually prices are higher at the trade deadline. But if Cam got a good offer on the draft floor, he should do it. Well ... if you trade Donaghey at the draft then you can get picks that are usable in June 2015. If you wait until Christmas then you are waiting until the 2016 draft. So trading him at the draft lets you get a full year jump on the rebuilding process. If you already have a full cupboard of picks for the next draft then pushing the assets off until 2016 would be wiser. Ultimately ... I think you'll trade him when Cam gets a deal he likes. If he doesn't return this year from his injury, then doubtful his value is very high at the draft.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 9, 2015 15:02:01 GMT -4
It seems more and more teams are setting up before the season starts when building a contender. I think many learned the lesson that prices were just too high at Xmas and Chemistry takes time. Yup ... but many of those teams also found out that they didn't build the team they thought they did when they made those moves at the draft. In June at the Midget draft you don't often know which 20 YOs will return ... who your Euros will be ... what players might become available at a reasonable cost (too many 20s, too many Euros, etc). I think June is the best starting point to built your contender ... but it typically takes up until Xmas to finish the job.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 9, 2015 15:05:08 GMT -4
I'd love to see CB get Donaghey for next year. If O'Leary would report to Halifax I think there's easily a deal to be made with the assets we have. Why though? You already would have Gosselin, Leblanc, MacIntyre, Deschamps, Leveille, Beaudin and Lalonde coming back for next year. I'd think your assets would be better spent on forwards, and possibly goaltending, depending on how Belanger performs for you guys in nets the rest of this year. It's more out of selfishness as I just like the player. Not really a logical trade target based on our holes I agree. Who knows what the final result of all the roster shuffling will be here though. I wouldn't be shocked if over the next 12 months Dumont ends up in a position of looking to buy 1 more top veteran defenceman. If ya told me this time last year Darcy would return and we'd be acquiring 3 separate 20's while moving Gauthier, Darcy, and Pelletier for what we did I probably wouldn't have believed it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 9, 2015 15:07:43 GMT -4
I'd love to see CB get Donaghey for next year. If O'Leary would report to Halifax I think there's easily a deal to be made with the assets we have. I'm guessing Halifax would have been willing to deal for O'Leary last summer, but probably not anymore. If/when CB releases him and he goes back in the draft, Halifax will have their shot at him then. Why burn an asset on him now? You're probably right. Makes more sense for us to take the pick and Halifax burn a 3rd/4th rounder on him.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jan 9, 2015 15:33:43 GMT -4
Definitely a chance we flip Donaghey, wouldn't surprise me at all. Only thing I would say to that, is trade value tends to be higher at xmas, as opposed to the draft. Not a massive difference, but usually prices are higher at the trade deadline. But if Cam got a good offer on the draft floor, he should do it. Well ... if you trade Donaghey at the draft then you can get picks that are usable in June 2015. If you wait until Christmas then you are waiting until the 2016 draft. So trading him at the draft lets you get a full year jump on the rebuilding process. If you already have a full cupboard of picks for the next draft then pushing the assets off until 2016 would be wiser. Ultimately ... I think you'll trade him when Cam gets a deal he likes. If he doesn't return this year from his injury, then doubtful his value is very high at the draft. Ya I think the draft is too soon to get value especially when picks are worth more to GMs then. Its like paying cash vs credit card. Draft is cash, Xmas is credit. It seems that teams don't look that far ahead when they need something right away at Xmas. Russell has got value from players at the draft though, mostly 20s that had to be moved.
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Post by Murph on Jan 10, 2015 13:24:20 GMT -4
Sutton was drafted with the 50th pick and hasn't played a game. You and I have very different definitions of "hot shot". His numbers in NL midget aren't exactly off the charts, and that's typcially a stat inflated midget league. And I hate to break it to you, but your "Donaghey will play for the Moose next year" statement is no different that my "Not even sure if Donaghey is in Halifax's plans next year" statement. It's all opinion. At least try adding logic to yours to back it up, or links or some sort of evidence (like Scott Laughton being on Philly's roster in April after his junior season, as an example). 1. Sutton played the NCAA card 2. Sutton is injured which I said. 3. I still have yet to see this game sheet of Scott Laughton playing in April. The link you posted didn't show his name at all. You want logic to why Donaghey will be a moose next year. Simply Cam has gone on record as saying they want to be competitive every year. Is this team better with Donaghey or with out him. Also Cam has stated that the 2016 draft is the one of interest to him. It's also been said that 2016 draft is better then 2015. So what makes more sense trade him once you get him or keep him for a few months then flip him for picks in 2016. Also what has Cam done in his history of being GM would indicate he trades for players to flip them. If it were Marcel by all mean I would agree with you there. Sutton was rated 65th by CSR. I don't care if he played the NCAA card or not. He was drafted near where he was projected. Bryce Swan played the NCAA card too, but Halifax took him in the 4th where he was supposed to go, cause they liked him and knew he'd report. Like I said, you and I have very different definitions on what a hot shot prospect is. I provided the link that showed Laughton was on their active roster. Look again, or don't. Doesn't bother me at all. It's for your own education. Other posters have provided examples, I think someone mentioned Saad with Chicago. You're using Russell quotes in the newspaper saying he wants to be competitive as the reason why he wants to be competitive. What's he supposed to say "We want to be really bad for a couple years". I'm sure they will go over well with ownership, considering the fairweather fan makes up about 60% of the revenue stream. He dealt Murphy away, who would have been back next year. Kinda spits in the face of that logic.
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