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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 30, 2015 13:46:48 GMT -4
Which hype do you mean? He was undrafted in the NHL draft last year and wasn't selected for World Jr.s. Most fans of the other maritime teams hate him. A large portion of the cats fans on this board don't like him. From the last 3 months on there seems to actually be a small minority (including myself) on this board that people that actually enjoy watching him play. Its kind of sad really, he's probably the most talented player we've seen in years. Have no clue what you are talking about with the secondary assists, maybe you are listening to Roger White doing the play by play or something. I wish there was a faster way to pull all the stats up but I am pretty confident a good portion of his assists were primary seeing as I've seen him setup a ton of plays with my own eyes. A good portion of Barbashev goals were all on passes by Garland. His vision is his best asset. I don't recall such a polarizing player for the Wildcats. Even among local fans. Here and in other social media, every loss was basically his fault. While you had others defend him, like Stéphane Paquette on Rogers who said he doesn't understand why it's so difficult for people to recognise what he's done. For every game where his play may have contributed to a loss (not saying he's the cause), there were 10 where his play contributed to the win or making it close. Usually this type of treatment is reserved for an offensive defenceman. I find it's pretty simple with Garland...and Barbashev, by not having much depth and skill up front, those guys end up playing big minutes and after awhile they started having 2-3 minute shifts on a regular basis and cheating towards offense. It's as much about the situation as their personal flaws, Barbashev was one of the better all around players in the Q last year, that changed this year. Garland was always pretty one dimensional but he maximized his offense this year.
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Post by mullycat on Apr 30, 2015 16:40:35 GMT -4
Seems like there is a as many supporters for and against Garland and whether he should be looked at as trade potential. There is no doubt that Garland is an exciting player to watch and he no doubt has great vision for the ice in the offensive zone. But the reality is,and what can't be ignored is, his effort in playing the other half of the game, defense. This can be corrected with proper direction. Every player that laces them up wants to be out on that ice as much as possible. If Garland was held accountable for both ends of the rink I am sure his value would no doubt rise amongst whoever it matters. What I see is a player that has been rewarded for his great offensive skill while his lack of defense effort is being ignored. I would like to see this talented young player grasp the importance of 1st- playing 200 ft of ice. 2nd- participate in full pregame warm ups with team mates. 3rd- stop the rehearsed show of the hand slapping when being awarded star ( may end now with barabashev gone). Because this I know first hand, it doesn't sit well with most team mates no matter where he plays. I myself have been negative towards him at times but I can't ignore his great offensive ability. He is young and i would like to see his full potential as an all around team player. Someone that his mates would bleed for. Would love to see that happen with him still a wildcat.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 30, 2015 16:43:20 GMT -4
Seems like there is a as many supporters for and against Garland and whether he should be looked at as trade potential. There is no doubt that Garland is an exciting player to watch and he no doubt has great vision for the ice in the offensive zone. But the reality is,and what can't be ignored is, his effort in playing the other half of the game, defense. This can be corrected with proper direction. Every player that laces them up wants to be out on that ice as much as possible. If Garland was held accountable for both ends of the rink I am sure his value would no doubt rise amongst whoever it matters. What I see is a player that has been rewarded for his great offensive skill while his lack of defense effort is being ignored. I would like to see this talented young player grasp the importance of 1st- playing 200 ft of ice. 2nd- participate in full pregame warm ups with team mates. 3rd- stop the rehearsed show of the hand slapping when being awarded star ( may end now with barabashev gone). Because this I know first hand, it doesn't sit well with most team mates no matter where he plays. I myself have been negative towards him at times but I can't ignore his great offensive ability. He is young and i would like to see his full potential as an all around team player. Someone that his mates would bleed for. Would love to see that happen with him still a wildcat. The issue is that this year, the cats didn't have a 2nd offensive line...it's like they had a 1st line and 2 3rd lines, so that line had to cheat on offense to make up for it. I'm sure on a team like Rimouski or Quebec with 2-3 scoring lines, Rumble and co would have had them play 45-60 second shifts and play both ends of the ice. On this team, they didn't have that luxury.
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Post by mullycat on Apr 30, 2015 17:58:24 GMT -4
Seems like there is a as many supporters for and against Garland and whether he should be looked at as trade potential. There is no doubt that Garland is an exciting player to watch and he no doubt has great vision for the ice in the offensive zone. But the reality is,and what can't be ignored is, his effort in playing the other half of the game, defense. This can be corrected with proper direction. Every player that laces them up wants to be out on that ice as much as possible. If Garland was held accountable for both ends of the rink I am sure his value would no doubt rise amongst whoever it matters. What I see is a player that has been rewarded for his great offensive skill while his lack of defense effort is being ignored. I would like to see this talented young player grasp the importance of 1st- playing 200 ft of ice. 2nd- participate in full pregame warm ups with team mates. 3rd- stop the rehearsed show of the hand slapping when being awarded star ( may end now with barabashev gone). Because this I know first hand, it doesn't sit well with most team mates no matter where he plays. I myself have been negative towards him at times but I can't ignore his great offensive ability. He is young and i would like to see his full potential as an all around team player. Someone that his mates would bleed for. Would love to see that happen with him still a wildcat. The issue is that this year, the cats didn't have a 2nd offensive line...it's like they had a 1st line and 2 3rd lines, so that line had to cheat on offense to make up for it. I'm sure on a team like Rimouski or Quebec with 2-3 scoring lines, Rumble and co would have had them play 45-60 second shifts and play both ends of the ice. On this team, they didn't have that luxury. I can respect that point of view. Although I remember when barbs was gone to the wc and garlands offensive numbers were down this team still found a way to win games. Your right the cats had one strong offensive line this year but i think you would have to agree that although stats are not total gospel of whats going on they certainly paint a picture. Too many goals against, bottom line. Would have liked to see them split and try to build two lines with decent offense but more defensive responsibly. By all means together on PP as they were solid. Especially if you don't have offensive power to send after them. Just to throw this out there, i do check stats and sometimes used them to try alernatives in my own coaching career , the 4th line of Bower,Cormier,Tibbo had better numbers offensively than both second and third lines and the best defensive numbers of all four lines with very limited icetime. In my opinion there were players over utilized and players that were under utilized. Again just an opinion that doesn't mean sfa.
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Post by lirette on Apr 30, 2015 21:40:03 GMT -4
The issue is that this year, the cats didn't have a 2nd offensive line...it's like they had a 1st line and 2 3rd lines, so that line had to cheat on offense to make up for it. I'm sure on a team like Rimouski or Quebec with 2-3 scoring lines, Rumble and co would have had them play 45-60 second shifts and play both ends of the ice. On this team, they didn't have that luxury. I can respect that point of view. Although I remember when barbs was gone to the wc and garlands offensive numbers were down this team still found a way to win games. Your right the cats had one strong offensive line this year but i think you would have to agree that although stats are not total gospel of whats going on they certainly paint a picture. Too many goals against, bottom line. Would have liked to see them split and try to build two lines with decent offense but more defensive responsibly. By all means together on PP as they were solid. Especially if you don't have offensive power to send after them. Just to throw this out there, i do check stats and sometimes used them to try alernatives in my own coaching career , the 4th line of Bower,Cormier,Tibbo had better numbers offensively than both second and third lines and the best defensive numbers of all four lines with very limited icetime. In my opinion there were players over utilized and players that were under utilized. Again just an opinion that doesn't mean sfa. Garlands stats while Barbashev was at world jrs was 13 pts in 7 games. How quickly people forget. He was the main reason we continued to win games while he was away. He makes everyone around him play better.
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Post by mullycat on Apr 30, 2015 22:28:49 GMT -4
I can respect that point of view. Although I remember when barbs was gone to the wc and garlands offensive numbers were down this team still found a way to win games. Your right the cats had one strong offensive line this year but i think you would have to agree that although stats are not total gospel of whats going on they certainly paint a picture. Too many goals against, bottom line. Would have liked to see them split and try to build two lines with decent offense but more defensive responsibly. By all means together on PP as they were solid. Especially if you don't have offensive power to send after them. Just to throw this out there, i do check stats and sometimes used them to try alernatives in my own coaching career , the 4th line of Bower,Cormier,Tibbo had better numbers offensively than both second and third lines and the best defensive numbers of all four lines with very limited icetime. In my opinion there were players over utilized and players that were under utilized. Again just an opinion that doesn't mean sfa. Garlands stats while Barbashev was at world jrs was 13 pts in 7 games. How quickly people forget. He was the main reason we continued to win games while he was away. He makes everyone around him play better. Is that right! Do you mind letting me know where you got that stat from? Are you sure that wasn't Johnson's stat? He was on a tear at one point and i believe it was around that time. Won't be the 1st time I have been wrong but I do remember Garland's play was effected by Barbs absence . What line mates wouldn't be?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 22:30:53 GMT -4
I suspect a of of the infrequent posters bashing Garland and Barbashev are connected to other players....Major Junior is not novice....put your stop watch away.
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Post by catnut on Apr 30, 2015 22:53:55 GMT -4
Garlands stats while Barbashev was at world jrs was 13 pts in 7 games. How quickly people forget. He was the main reason we continued to win games while he was away. He makes everyone around him play better. Is that right! Do you mind letting me know where you got that stat from? Are you sure that wasn't Johnson's stat? He was on a tear at one point and i believe it was around that time. Won't be the 1st time I have been wrong but I do remember Garland's play was effected by Barbs absence . What line mates wouldn't be? You can find all that on the Q site. He scored mostly with Burke, Askew, T-T, Sweeney, but also with Jacob and Bower. Johnson got hot in November. Around Christmas is when he got injured. Keep on digging. When you get to China, get me some egg rolls.
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on May 1, 2015 1:03:53 GMT -4
Garlands stats while Barbashev was at world jrs was 13 pts in 7 games. How quickly people forget. He was the main reason we continued to win games while he was away. He makes everyone around him play better. Is that right! Do you mind letting me know where you got that stat from? Are you sure that wasn't Johnson's stat? He was on a tear at one point and i believe it was around that time. Won't be the 1st time I have been wrong but I do remember Garland's play was effected by Barbs absence . What line mates wouldn't be? theqmjhl.ca/players/11708/00
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Post by SteveUL on May 1, 2015 9:45:28 GMT -4
Is that right! Do you mind letting me know where you got that stat from? Are you sure that wasn't Johnson's stat? He was on a tear at one point and i believe it was around that time. Won't be the 1st time I have been wrong but I do remember Garland's play was effected by Barbs absence . What line mates wouldn't be? You can find all that on the Q site. He scored mostly with Burke, Askew, T-T, Sweeney, but also with Jacob and Bower. Johnson got hot in November. Around Christmas is when he got injured. Keep on digging. When you get to China, get me some egg rolls. Well ... he is actually correct ... sort of. In November, Garland had 31 points in 11 games ... 2.82 ppg In December, Garland had 16 pts in 9 games ... 1.78 ppg In January, Garland had 17 pts in 12 games ... 1.42 ppg In February, Garland had 27 pts in 11 games ... 2.45 ppg In March, Garland had 18 pts in 7 games ... 2.57 ppg. So clearly in the months that Barbashev was away, Garland had pretty much a full ppg drop-off in production. Even when Barbashev was back for 2/3 of January, he wasn't himself, and took him a few weeks to get back into the swing of things. Garland was still putting up points, but with less talented linemates he clearly had a drop off in production. Most players would be happy with a 1.5 ppg rate, but that was a drop-off for garland from November forward. Garland had two week months in September and October when Lalonde and Tkachev were here and playing with Barbarshev.
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Post by mullycat on May 1, 2015 12:21:32 GMT -4
You can find all that on the Q site. He scored mostly with Burke, Askew, T-T, Sweeney, but also with Jacob and Bower. Johnson got hot in November. Around Christmas is when he got injured. Keep on digging. When you get to China, get me some egg rolls. Well ... he is actually correct ... sort of. In November, Garland had 31 points in 11 games ... 2.82 ppg In December, Garland had 16 pts in 9 games ... 1.78 ppg In January, Garland had 17 pts in 12 games ... 1.42 ppg In February, Garland had 27 pts in 11 games ... 2.45 ppg In March, Garland had 18 pts in 7 games ... 2.57 ppg. So clearly in the months that Barbashev was away, Garland had pretty much a full ppg drop-off in production. Even when Barbashev was back for 2/3 of January, he wasn't himself, and took him a few weeks to get back into the swing of things. Garland was still putting up points, but with less talented linemates he clearly had a drop off in production. Most players would be happy with a 1.5 ppg rate, but that was a drop-off for garland from November forward. Garland had two week months in September and October when Lalonde and Tkachev were here and playing with Barbarshev. Thanks steveul, I was planning a trip to china until I read your post.lol Catnut i only stated that i believed it was Johnson. As well i didn't say garland played poorly or anything else negative in regard of his offensive numbers. Read it again, i stated that his numbers were down. As steve said most players would be happy with 1.5 ppg. The bottom line here is that there are posters on this site that will take any comment especially about garland and turn it negative if it isn't "back slapping and your the best". I have already commented on his offensive ability and if you can't see any room for improvement in his overall game (as with every player at this level) then your seeing only what you want to see. When you are in or want the spotlight you have to be prepared for all that comes with that.
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Post by joehockey on May 5, 2015 16:53:45 GMT -4
I'd be pretty surprised if the Wildcats don't get an American goalie to come to camp to compete for a spot, be it a drafted player or a free agent. Petruzzelli would be interesting to get if they can get him to report since it seems like it was a surprise to people that follow US hockey closely that he was not chosen for the National Development team. I actually think we won't see the Wildcats go for as many American's as high in this draft not only because they actually have some higher picks this year but they can also take some of the 16 year olds they may have drafted in the top 8 rounds later now. Saying that, I would not be surprised if they grabbed an American in the 3rd round
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Post by mooseinfo on May 5, 2015 19:20:43 GMT -4
USHL players taken in Phase one from list added. One thing to remember is the protected list. When you take lots of picks hoping they show later including lots of Americans it back logs and leaves little room year after year to do it again until you start dropping some.
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Post by SteveUL on May 6, 2015 14:51:54 GMT -4
USHL players taken in Phase one from list added. One thing to remember is the protected list. When you take lots of picks hoping they show later including lots of Americans it back logs and leaves little room year after year to do it again until you start dropping some. The year they added 2 Rds to the draft and making mandatory that each team select at least 2 US born players ... I suggested they expand from 50 to 60 on the protected list. If you add two per year, the longest they can stay there is 5 years, so 10 spots total. Most teams cut players loose that have never reported, once they finish their 19 YO season ... so no need in protecting 10 ... just 8. Most teams do very little to get the US players to report and hold out little hope that they will. So what you are really doing is cutting Chicoutimi's protected list down to about 42, with 8 spots taken up by guys that won't report. They can release them earlier to open up space, but I think the whole idea was to keep these players under the control of the Q. So ... why not add a special US player protected list for each team ... and allow say 5 spots only on this list. Any additional US players you want to protect would have to be done on the 50 man list. Any player playing in the Q would also come under the 50 man list ... not the special protected list.
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