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Post by sjc on Jan 3, 2016 13:14:04 GMT -4
Try to work out a deal and send him Colorado to play with MacKinnon.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jan 3, 2016 13:28:17 GMT -4
I don't think he'll be buried in the minors because of his trade request. But it wouldn't shock me if it is taking him a while to become a "professional". Asking for a trade a little over one year into your hockey career at 20 years old isn't exactly being professional. Doesn't help his image that's for sure. I consider he and Huberdeau very similar players and prospects. Huberdeau is in his 4th season and over his last calendar year or so just started to look more comfortable as an NHL player. And he`s on a younger team with lower expectations. Drouin views himself very highly, but needs production to match how good he thinks he is. I think being around Gerard Gallant is a big reason Huberdeau's game is maturing at that level. Earlier this year Gallant said Huby was not shooting the puck enough. He is now an important contributor to a very good team. Also notice that Barkov has also really settled in on that team. Its a good group they have and an excellent coach all the players bought in. Say what you want about Drouins situation there have been issues between the coach and the player there going back to last year. That has never been a good fit. And Alan Walsh certainly is a wedge in that situation.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 3, 2016 13:28:45 GMT -4
Walsh is the biggest asshole in the business. Still wonder why he has clients. He's not doing Drouin any favor.
Remember a year ago when Quebec was supposed to take Pavel Zacha with their 2nd overall pick at the Import Draft? They had a deal with Walsh and Zacha but Sarnia decided to take him first overall. Walsh said on Twitter Sarnia had just wasted a pick because he would never show up there. Three days later Zacha announced he was signing with Sarnia and shortly after he dropped Walsh.
Drouin should just do the same.
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Post by Citris on Jan 3, 2016 13:30:45 GMT -4
I don't necessarily see the problem in asking for a trade, as long as he can back it up once he gets wherever he is going.
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Post by howitzer on Jan 3, 2016 13:32:14 GMT -4
Not a fan of 19-20 year old requesting trades. Shut up and play. Even if you're doing things you don't like to do on the ice, you're in the NHL. Do what you're asked, and work your ass of doing it. After a few years, you will get the respect, and get credibility and trust from coaches and teammates to do more of the things you want to do on the ice.
Having said that, at some point along the way, TB and Cooper should have realized Drouin is not, and will never be, a great defensive player. He's got god given talent to make plays and be an offensive player. Stop trying to make him something he's not. Live with the negatives a bit, and see what the kid can do with some freedom. But now they've pushed this thing so far, they have lost the player mentally, and have an asset that wants out. Kinda hurting yourself.
Hopefully he lands somewhere where he can get his career and confidence back on track. After what I witnessed that kid do on the ice for 2.5 years, I refuse to believe he can't/won't be a star in the NHL.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jan 3, 2016 13:35:38 GMT -4
I don't necessarily see the problem in asking for a trade, as long as he can back it up once he gets wherever he is going. well thats the thing. why would it be any different? TB is not trading him to trade him where he will be a good fit. If they trade him they will do so on their time for their gain...he has no control There are not many teams I can think of where he can just walk in and play how he wants the minutes he wants. He will need to be groomed wherever he goes. If I were acquiring him it would be about the future and not today. There is not a team contending anyway that can make room for him. He is probably going to have to win a spot.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 3, 2016 13:43:09 GMT -4
I don't think he'll be buried in the minors because of his trade request. But it wouldn't shock me if it is taking him a while to become a "professional". Asking for a trade a little over one year into your hockey career at 20 years old isn't exactly being professional. Doesn't help his image that's for sure. I consider he and Huberdeau very similar players and prospects. Huberdeau is in his 4th season and over his last calendar year or so just started to look more comfortable as an NHL player. And he`s on a younger team with lower expectations. Drouin views himself very highly, but needs production to match how good he thinks he is. Production? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Stats show Drouin has been among the most productive players 5 on 5 in the entire league. He was in Cooper's doghouse almost his entire career. Im sure there's reasons for that (attitude, work ethic, defensive play) but honestly nobody knows what those issues were. There's something weird going on in Tampa. They push St Louis out, all this Stamkos nonsense, Drouin demanding a trade now. Seems like Yzerman is standing behind his guy in Cooper, but things do not look very rosy in that organization right now. I'm actually surprised it took this long for the trade demands to happen. I have always thought they were mishandling Drouin. The guy has world class skill and the production to back it up but he was constantly getting 4th line duty or press box. That is not how you develop a superstar. It's funny that you mention Huberdeau. All they did was feed him top 6 icetime since he was a rookie, and magically he's turning into a pretty good NHL'er and contributing to Florida's success, along with Barkov. You have to put guys in a position to succeed, that's what development is. Not scolding him with 4 line duty or healthy scratches because he missed a defensive assignment or made a turnover.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 3, 2016 13:47:21 GMT -4
Just a reminder, he asked for a trade in November but Walsh decided to make it public now after he was sent to the AHL. The season had barely started and he already wanted out.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 3, 2016 13:47:59 GMT -4
Alan Walsh may be an asshole but they made the demands in November and to their credit kept it completely confidential. Tampa responded by playing him less and less and sending him to the AHL indefinitely.
Not sure what else the player and agent can do at that point but go public with the demands. They are trying to get out of Tampa so he can get on with his career with a team that wants to develop him, not hold him back.
I hope he ends up in Montreal or Colorado.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 3, 2016 13:48:38 GMT -4
I consider he and Huberdeau very similar players and prospects. Huberdeau is in his 4th season and over his last calendar year or so just started to look more comfortable as an NHL player. And he`s on a younger team with lower expectations. Drouin views himself very highly, but needs production to match how good he thinks he is. Production? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Stats show Drouin has been among the most productive players 5 on 5 in the entire league. He was in Cooper's doghouse almost his entire career. Im sure there's reasons for that (attitude, work ethic, defensive play) but honestly nobody knows what those issues were. There's something weird going on in Tampa. They push St Louis out, all this Stamkos nonsense, Drouin demanding a trade now. Seems like Yzerman is standing behind his guy in Cooper, but things do not look very rosy in that organization right now. I'm actually surprised it took this long for the trade demands to happen. I have always thought they were mishandling Drouin. The guy has world class skill and the production to back it up but he was constantly getting 4th line duty or press box. That is not how you develop a superstar. It's funny that you mention Huberdeau. All they did was feed him top 6 icetime since he was a rookie, and magically he's turning into a pretty good NHL'er and contributing to Florida's success, along with Barkov. You have to put guys in a position to succeed, that's what development is. Not scolding him with 4 line duty or healthy scratches because he missed a defensive assignment or made a turnover. 8 points in 19 games combined with iffy 2 way play means you can`t play regular minutes in the NHL. Based on how he wants to play the game he has to be near a PPG level. You can`t be below .5 and float. That`s what I mean by production. Kid refuses to play NHL hockey. He wants to play a Jr style that gets him some points but fails miserably in a team sport. You have to sit him for making those turnovers, or else he will continue to average 6 goals over a season and still make those mistakes. Smart 2 way play at 1 end will help create possession and opportunity for him at the other end. This isn`t like the World Juniors where it`s a race to win 6-5...NHL is a 3-2 game and you need forwards playing well in all zones...Drouin refuses to adjust to that style.
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Post by Murph on Jan 3, 2016 13:55:05 GMT -4
Rumblings already about Drouin going to Pittsburgh for Derrick Pouliot, another young talented player not in the best situation.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 3, 2016 13:55:22 GMT -4
Drouin always had it easy, in minor hockey, in Midget AAA, in the QMJHL. Now he's facing the first challenge of his hockey life. His agent should tell him to suck it up and work harder but instead, he's acting just as foolish.
Back in the day, Lecavalier also wanted out but the GM told him to suck it up. He then became an elite NHLer for several years.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 3, 2016 13:56:20 GMT -4
8 points in 19 games combined with iffy 2 way play means you can`t play regular minutes in the NHL. Based on how he wants to play the game he has to be near a PPG level. You can`t be below .5 and float. That`s what I mean by production. Kid refuses to play NHL hockey. He wants to play a Jr style that gets him some points but fails miserably in a team sport. You have to sit him for making those turnovers, or else he will continue to average 6 goals over a season and still make those mistakes. Smart 2 way play at 1 end will help create possession and opportunity for him at the other end. This isn`t like the World Juniors where it`s a race to win 6-5...NHL is a 3-2 game and you need forwards playing well in all zones...Drouin refuses to adjust to that style. You seem to have some hate on for Drouin. I follow the kids career very closely because I was a huge fan of his when he played in Halifax. I follow the beat reporters in Tampa and read all the comments and articles on his play. So with all due respect, your opinion is mostly baseless. The consensus from around the team and media is he can't get settled into any role because of how Cooper has handled him. Most people around the team are baffled with how he's been treated and can't make any comparisons to other star prospects and their treatment trying to get their feet wet in the NHL. Newsflash: Production is not measured in points per game. Production is measured in points per 60 minutes. When you play 7 minutes per game on the 4th line with other rookies or plugs, 8 points in 19 games is actually pretty impressive. This is just a scenario of a coach and a player not seeing eye to eye and a player needing a fresh start. This is reminiscent of Seguin in Boston. Everybody thought he was an asshole and troublemaker. Now look at him.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jan 3, 2016 13:58:12 GMT -4
Alan Walsh may be an asshole but they made the demands in November and to their credit kept it completely confidential. Tampa responded by playing him less and less and sending him to the AHL indefinitely. Not sure what else the player and agent can do at that point but go public with the demands. They are trying to get out of Tampa so he can get on with his career with a team that wants to develop him, not hold him back. I hope he ends up in Montreal or Colorado. Tampa Bay most likely will not trade him within the division, let alone Montreal. But if that did happen what would he and his agent do when Therrien benches him for the same shit that Cooper is benching him for?
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Post by Murph on Jan 3, 2016 13:59:33 GMT -4
Drouin's 5 on 5 efficiency since he entered the NHL is comparable with both Henrik Sedin and Pavel Datsyuk over that time.
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