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Post by gocapebreton on Dec 15, 2015 7:56:41 GMT -4
As Johnny has said a "lengthy playoff run" will make whatever suspect moves tolerable "but" the fans love Dubois and that's what makes this different / special and maybe unforgiveable if he is moved after an early exit ( less than 3 rounds ) . If we retain all our picks and Dubois is moved the Management ( Dumbmont or Whoever ) had better hope they hit home runs .....no more Bowers or O'Leary type picks where he tries to show what a genius he is .....just kids that come blend in with the Martineaus , Hoyts and Jessimans . Please just don't let it be a scenario like that Lunatic Durocher did back in the day where he "mortgaged everything" and well u know ......... Part of comes down to something I have been critical of the team of before that is now spilling over to the fan base which I can only assume is a bit younger and less informed based on some of the comments here. When evaluating whether or not you can win a championship you can't base your evaluation only on your own circumstances. In other words, you can't just use our Euro tandem and a couple other pieces as a reason for buying. Where do we sit in terms of our own division? Can buying put us into the category of 1st place over the 2nd half? I think that answer is a yes. Moncton and SJ are not playing great. But now ask yourself that out of the entire league are we really just 2 or 3 players away from being THE team to beat? I think that answer is a huge no. A few Quebec based teams seem to be on a higher level then anything being done in the Maritimes right now. So if buying still can't produce that surefire league finalist, there is huge risks to buying because 'our Euros are the best we've ever had' or 'we lose a lot of players'. Teams losing a lot of players who have shown zero history of any success at all should probably be looking to move some current assets to support the future more then moving the future to improve the current. That was Durocher's biggest mistake. Dumont seems inevitable to repeat it. Durocher's was worse because the playoffs were within the division in 2010. Dumont has an easier division but no more favorable of an overall draw outside of potentially round 1 if he can get his team high enough in the standings. I agree. It is obvious the team appears to be all in. That is risky in the fact this fan base will potentially only see 3 months of a contending team in a 7 or 8 year stretch. They have, and appear to do more, burned through a lot of assets to essentially make a one time run. If we're into burning the value of Dubois and Bowers to make this run, well there's a good chance of some board bitching down the road. I understand having a winner is important, but so too is having an entertaining product for more than 3 months, out of 7 years.
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Post by habsfan74 on Dec 15, 2015 9:33:42 GMT -4
I think one presidents cup banner would make all those years of heartache go away!
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Post by Citris on Dec 15, 2015 9:36:42 GMT -4
That would be the natural assumption. As a Halifax fan I'd love this deal. I can't really comment on the value objectively, because I have an obvious bias. That being said, on the open market Fitzgerald is worth at least a pick and prospect. Fitzgerald for Bowers is probably selling a bit low, but at the same time, it beats just getting the #9 pick for him. Edit- I wonder if there would be more to a trade like that? Perhaps Moynihan and Gosselein are involved? I'd do that trade for sure. Moynihan and Fitzgerald is a huge improvement. My question is, would Danny want his brother involved ? Better yet, would he come to CB without his brother ? It's not a bad question. Connor is a bit of a frustrating player sometimes. He's big, strong as an ox and actually skates surprisingly well for his size. Some nights he looks like a great junior powerforward who could score 30, but then he'll go quiet for a month. He's a guy who I can see having a breakout year at 19 or 20, big guys sometimes take longer to develop. Then again, he also might not and just be an average middle six guy.
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Post by joehockey on Dec 15, 2015 9:59:31 GMT -4
I'm interested to see what CB gets back from Chicoutimi for Ranger not reporting. I know there were people saying it is a first or 2 2nds or something like that. It should give CB even more ammo to make their team better. Another top 6 forward and this team may be the top team on paper in the league
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Post by emerz on Dec 15, 2015 10:03:00 GMT -4
I'm interested to see what CB gets back from Chicoutimi for Ranger not reporting. I know there were people saying it is a first or 2 2nds or something like that. It should give CB even more ammo to make their team better. Another top 6 forward and this team may be the top team on paper in the league yeah that's what it is, chronical herald reported it earlier in the season, 2 2nds in 2016 or a 1st in 2016 or a 1st in 2017. Also have our own 2016 first still, 3 3rds and 2 4ths in 2016 as sweeteners for any deal.
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Post by joehockey on Dec 15, 2015 10:08:48 GMT -4
I'm interested to see what CB gets back from Chicoutimi for Ranger not reporting. I know there were people saying it is a first or 2 2nds or something like that. It should give CB even more ammo to make their team better. Another top 6 forward and this team may be the top team on paper in the league yeah that's what it is, chronical herald reported it earlier in the season, 2 2nds in 2016 or a 1st in 2016 or a 1st in 2017. Also have our own 2016 first still, 3 3rds and 2 4ths in 2016 as sweeteners for any deal. That's not even necessarily including the deals that people are talking about above (ie Fitzgerald, and Bourque which would center around Dubois and Bowers). CB has the assets to be really good, if they can put it together on the ice I would hate to be a team that has to play them in the playoffs.
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Post by Murph on Dec 15, 2015 10:17:05 GMT -4
Bourque is 18, which is why Dubois at the draft makes sense for him. You can deal Bourque next year for a very good return to start a rebuild. Hell there's a decent chance Dubois isn't even back in the Q next year and certainly as a 19 year old.
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Post by hal on Dec 15, 2015 10:37:53 GMT -4
I've heard there's a young non-roster player headed to Rimouski as well. Not sure if it's a part of a the Joly deal or something else Beaudin left for Rimouski this morning .
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Post by cb67 on Dec 15, 2015 10:45:10 GMT -4
I've heard there's a young non-roster player headed to Rimouski as well. Not sure if it's a part of a the Joly deal or something else Beaudin left for Rimouski this morning . Didn't have to wait for the 19th? Edit : Or will he join but not play untill after the 19th?
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Dec 15, 2015 10:46:15 GMT -4
Beaudin left for Rimouski this morning . Didn't have to wait for the 19th? If the trade is agreed they'd likely sit him anyway so why not let him go early?
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Post by cb67 on Dec 15, 2015 10:52:14 GMT -4
Didn't have to wait for the 19th? If the trade is agreed they'd likely sit him anyway so why not let him go early? I was just wondering about how it worked that's all. Could he have joined Rumouski back when Joly joined us and sat until the 19th? What if he got injured in the ganes he played for us after the trade ? Is there conditions that protect against that?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 15, 2015 11:00:01 GMT -4
If the trade is agreed they'd likely sit him anyway so why not let him go early? I was just wondering about how it worked that's all. Could he have joined Rumouski back when Joly joined us and sat until the 19th? What if he got injured in the ganes he played for us after the trade ? Is there conditions that protect against that? If that happened we just keep the pick that will come back for him. Sounds like there's potential for a bigger deal involving the 2 teams.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 15, 2015 11:01:17 GMT -4
I'm interested to see what CB gets back from Chicoutimi for Ranger not reporting. I know there were people saying it is a first or 2 2nds or something like that. It should give CB even more ammo to make their team better. Another top 6 forward and this team may be the top team on paper in the league Those assets likely don't come to us until the draft as Ranger can still show up.
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Post by hal on Dec 15, 2015 11:12:02 GMT -4
If the trade is agreed they'd likely sit him anyway so why not let him go early? I was just wondering about how it worked that's all. Could he have joined Rumouski back when Joly joined us and sat until the 19th? What if he got injured in the ganes he played for us after the trade ? Is there conditions that protect against that? They probably discussed all that ahead of time . Leaving Today just insures that he doesn't play in New Brunswick on Thursday and Friday . Anyway ....all the rumours were true .....now the one about Dubois ....I heard..........
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 15, 2015 11:16:26 GMT -4
My bad, Bourque is an 18 year old, which probably further increases the chances of him being back next year. Montreal does not seem to rush their dmen along either. With the rumour of Fitzgerald coming from Halifax, that certainly strengthens our defence. Be interesting to see what adds are made up front,maybe a backup goalie as well. Could be an interesting 2nd half.
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