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Post by BigTwig on May 3, 2016 16:12:48 GMT -4
there is a post on this same page with Cox saying Dubois is going 9th now few weeks later he has him going 5th whats the sense in making mock drafts every few weeks? lol i think he likely goes somewhere between 5-7 I'm personally not a big Damien Cox fan myself. Craig Button however has been raving about Dubois for months. I personally think Dubois is going to go 5-7 as well. Depending on trades of course, I think we could see a few teams move up a spot or down a spot and grab a "need" Especially in the top 10 I rank Craig Button in the same category as Pierre MacQuire, an idiot full of hot air who won't shut up and is just full of them self. With everyone saying good things about him now when he says good about Dubios does anyone remember a few years ago when on air he said the Eagles were the worst junior team he ever watched play and that they couldn't even beat a Timbits team? And yes I know the team was in a rebuilding year but to say that on air
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Post by joeunite on May 3, 2016 16:59:11 GMT -4
NHL Network on TSN has varying feelings on Dubois. Matthew Barnaby talked about him being more of an 11-12 and some scouts he's talked to have him well into the 20s.
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Post by statsman18 on May 3, 2016 18:45:26 GMT -4
I'm personally not a big Damien Cox fan myself. Craig Button however has been raving about Dubois for months. I personally think Dubois is going to go 5-7 as well. Depending on trades of course, I think we could see a few teams move up a spot or down a spot and grab a "need" Especially in the top 10 I rank Craig Button in the same category as Pierre MacQuire, an idiot full of hot air who won't shut up and is just full of them self. With everyone saying good things about him now when he says good about Dubios does anyone remember a few years ago when on air he said the Eagles were the worst junior team he ever watched play and that they couldn't even beat a Timbits team? And yes I know the team was in a rebuilding year but to say that on air Here's the biggest difference between the two Craig Button actually goes to all 3 CHL league games in person. Damien sees his games from the Friday Night hockey on SN. Button also goes over to Europe and scouts some players in person. Cox does not.
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Post by Screamin'Seagle on May 3, 2016 22:57:27 GMT -4
People have their own opinions. I for one like Button but thats just me. But I agree, he goes to all three Canadian leagues, US, and Europe to watch/scout in person. In fact he just got back from the under 18's in the States and he mentioned that there are 10-12 1st round picks this year in that tournament alone.
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Post by L'il Boy on May 4, 2016 7:20:03 GMT -4
People have their own opinions. I for one like Button but thats just me. But I agree, he goes to all three Canadian leagues, US, and Europe to watch/scout in person. In fact he just got back from the under 18's in the States and he mentioned that there are 10-12 1st round picks this year in that tournament alone. Button sat next to me at an Islanders game just before the playoffs in March 2015. Very friendly, more than willing to talk about hockey (and not just the Islanders) with me, and stayed in that seat for the whole game. Had no problem getting a picture with him, and he shook my hand as he was leaving. He never shied away from anyone that approached him during the game. I may not always agree with what he says, but as a person, I thought he was a very affable guy.
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Post by Screamin'Seagle on May 4, 2016 15:03:43 GMT -4
People have their own opinions. I for one like Button but thats just me. But I agree, he goes to all three Canadian leagues, US, and Europe to watch/scout in person. In fact he just got back from the under 18's in the States and he mentioned that there are 10-12 1st round picks this year in that tournament alone. Button sat next to me at an Islanders game just before the playoffs in March 2015. Very friendly, more than willing to talk about hockey (and not just the Islanders) with me, and stayed in that seat for the whole game. Had no problem getting a picture with him, and he shook my hand as he was leaving. He never shied away from anyone that approached him during the game. I may not always agree with what he says, but as a person, I thought he was a very affable guy. That's awesome! I often listen to him on TSN radio and he has some great hockey stories. I would love to get the opportunity to sit with him at a game and pick his brain about hockey, stories, the game, etc.. Consider yourself lucky I suppose haha!
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Post by Kingrat on May 4, 2016 19:23:37 GMT -4
Button knows his stuff and I love his energy he was one of the first to recognize the talent of Dubois and he does spend a lot of time at rinks across the country and to coaches ... Bob McKenzie is total scouting all the way and pretty dependable with his rankings
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Post by eagleog on May 8, 2016 12:34:20 GMT -4
I'm personally not a big Damien Cox fan myself. Craig Button however has been raving about Dubois for months. I personally think Dubois is going to go 5-7 as well. Depending on trades of course, I think we could see a few teams move up a spot or down a spot and grab a "need" Especially in the top 10 I rank Craig Button in the same category as Pierre MacQuire, an idiot full of hot air who won't shut up and is just full of them self. With everyone saying good things about him now when he says good about Dubios does anyone remember a few years ago when on air he said the Eagles were the worst junior team he ever watched play and that they couldn't even beat a Timbits team? And yes I know the team was in a rebuilding year but to say that on air I remember that XD , don't want to defend him but he wasn't exactly wrong... But I like reading Button's articles and hearing his thoughts
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Post by hal on May 8, 2016 22:24:45 GMT -4
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Post by sherwood1020 on May 9, 2016 9:11:41 GMT -4
Be interesting to see what happens. With the fourth and fifth picks potentially in play to be traded. Edmonton could have their sights set on one of the top ten d-men, while Benning from Vancouver has already had Dubois on his radar. Will be an interesting draft day.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2016 9:21:44 GMT -4
The obsession with connecting Montreal to every French Canadian hockey player is beyond ridiculous. For all we know their scouts prefer him the least over anyone expected to go in the top 10. But every media source in that city continues to try and paint scenarios that results in them drafting Dubois. A team expecting to contend should be looking to move the pick for an established talent if they do anything with the pick.
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Post by downthemiddle on May 9, 2016 12:46:57 GMT -4
The obsession with connecting Montreal to every French Canadian hockey player is beyond ridiculous. For all we know their scouts prefer him the least over anyone expected to go in the top 10. But every media source in that city continues to try and paint scenarios that results in them drafting Dubois. A team expecting to contend should be looking to move the pick for an established talent if they do anything with the pick. It's what local media does. No different than the Stamkos to Toronto rumours.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2016 13:46:01 GMT -4
The obsession with connecting Montreal to every French Canadian hockey player is beyond ridiculous. For all we know their scouts prefer him the least over anyone expected to go in the top 10. But every media source in that city continues to try and paint scenarios that results in them drafting Dubois. A team expecting to contend should be looking to move the pick for an established talent if they do anything with the pick. It's what local media does. No different than the Stamkos to Toronto rumours. There's a huge difference. Toronto's media knows the Leafs would like Stamkos as the top UFA. Because all 30 teams would. Hell he makes more sense for Montreal then Dubois does because Montreal is a team that should be looking for established talent to try and win now. But nobody knows what Montreal's scouts think of the draft class. For all they know Montreal will only move up for a Tkachuk or Sergachev and wouldn't like Dubois over others at #9.
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Post by Screamin'Seagle on May 9, 2016 14:40:07 GMT -4
It's what local media does. No different than the Stamkos to Toronto rumours. There's a huge difference. Toronto's media knows the Leafs would like Stamkos as the top UFA. Because all 30 teams would. Hell he makes more sense for Montreal then Dubois does because Montreal is a team that should be looking for established talent to try and win now. But nobody knows what Montreal's scouts think of the draft class. For all they know Montreal will only move up for a Tkachuk or Sergachev and wouldn't like Dubois over others at #9. I don't see how it's any different at all. It's all wishful thinking any way you decide to look at it. I've heard tons of rumors about Arizona making a move to move into the first overall spot to take Mathews because he's a local kid. Same with Stamko's would it really make sense to sign him if your the second year of your rebuild? He's a truly talented player who any team would love to have in any circumstance, but Toronto's competitive seasons are 3-4-5 years from now. That would just be wasting at least 3 years of Stamko's in his prime. The Montreal media would definitely love to have Dubois, a highly talented French Canadian kid who has a lot of potential and who will be with the organization for years to come. However as you said what do their scouts think, what are their needs? Either way local media is going to speculate to grab headlines and stories so I don't see a difference myself.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2016 14:59:30 GMT -4
There's a huge difference. Toronto's media knows the Leafs would like Stamkos as the top UFA. Because all 30 teams would. Hell he makes more sense for Montreal then Dubois does because Montreal is a team that should be looking for established talent to try and win now. But nobody knows what Montreal's scouts think of the draft class. For all they know Montreal will only move up for a Tkachuk or Sergachev and wouldn't like Dubois over others at #9. I don't see how it's any different at all. It's all wishful thinking any way you decide to look at it. I've heard tons of rumors about Arizona making a move to move into the first overall spot to take Mathews because he's a local kid. Same with Stamko's would it really make sense to sign him if your the second year of your rebuild? He's a truly talented player who any team would love to have in any circumstance, but Toronto's competitive seasons are 3-4-5 years from now. That would just be wasting at least 3 years of Stamko's in his prime. The Montreal media would definitely love to have Dubois, a highly talented French Canadian kid who has a lot of potential and who will be with the organization for years to come. However as you said what do their scouts think, what are their needs? Either way local media is going to speculate to grab headlines and stories so I don't see a difference myself. The difference is 1 group of media trying to draw a logical conclusion and speculate based off of it and 1 group trying to bully home an agenda based on what language the player speaks. Toronto media will speculate about a Toronto area player signing there but only a xenophobe like Don Cherry worries about where the players picked are born and if they pick a Swede will skill over a big Canadian criticizes the decision. Montreal has media who writes articles about the team not dressing a french speaking player. Or demand a french speaking coach/manager. What's best for the team is irrelevant. They're too busy worrying about filling an invisible quote of french speakers on the only french team. How many Stamkos to Montreal articles have there been vs Dubois to Montreal? That kind of proves the point i'm making. The media in Montreal try to force the organizations hand with the language stuff. I hope it continues because it's not helping their team at all and just creates barriers that should not exist. When Therrien gets fired it's not going to be about the best candidate. It's the best French speaking candidate.
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