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Jul 20, 2016 12:58:12 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jul 20, 2016 12:58:12 GMT -4
Can that be countered with news stories of regular Americans killing people? Okay so because people were either born in the U.S. or immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. kill other citizens that makes it okay for a guy who was deported 5 times and kept coming back to San Francisco, due to it being a sanctuary city, and then proceed to steal a policeman's gun and shoot an innocent woman who was walking the pier with her father? Thanx ... incredible logic on display here folks The point was 1 guy kil- never mind, this is over your head. By the way, the Trump campaign just admitted that they took those lines from Michelle Obama's speech... so you and Steve assumed wrong that they just took "common phrases" and strung them together, and by sheer luck it amazingly matched the first lady's speech from 8 years ago.
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 13:01:40 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 13:01:40 GMT -4
Can that be countered with news stories of regular Americans killing people? Okay so because people were either born in the U.S. or immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. kill other citizens that makes it okay for a guy who was deported 5 times and kept coming back to San Francisco, due to it being a sanctuary city, and then proceed to steal a policeman's gun and shoot an innocent woman who was walking the pier with her father? Thanx ... incredible logic on display here folks I never said it made it ok. Cops kill people as well as former military, does that mean we should disband the police and military because they are all murderers and crooked? Your example is an exception used as a rule. Most killings in the US happen in poor areas and inner cities, most of those are US citizens and who's families have been in the country for 150-200 years. There is ZERO evidence that immigrants are more likely to kill or rape, it's all Trump bullshit propaganda.
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 13:02:27 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 13:02:27 GMT -4
Okay so because people were either born in the U.S. or immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. kill other citizens that makes it okay for a guy who was deported 5 times and kept coming back to San Francisco, due to it being a sanctuary city, and then proceed to steal a policeman's gun and shoot an innocent woman who was walking the pier with her father? Thanx ... incredible logic on display here folks The point was 1 guy kil- never mind, this is over your head. By the way, the Trump campaign just admitted that they took those lines from Michelle Obama's speech... so you and Steve assumed wrong that they just took "common phrases" and strung them together, and by sheer luck it amazingly matched the first lady's speech from 8 years ago. The funny part is, the apology came on Trump Enterprises letter head.
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 13:12:08 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2016 13:12:08 GMT -4
Okay so because people were either born in the U.S. or immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. kill other citizens that makes it okay for a guy who was deported 5 times and kept coming back to San Francisco, due to it being a sanctuary city, and then proceed to steal a policeman's gun and shoot an innocent woman who was walking the pier with her father? Thanx ... incredible logic on display here folks How could you possibly have read his post and drawn such a conclusion? You don't exactly do your logic argument any good by drawing conclusions that not 1 person has said. Is it then ok to assume that 1 black man shooting a cop means all black men enjoy shooting cops and should be not allowed to enter the country? Clearly you seem to think 2 wrongs make a right when stereotyping large groups based on the actions of a few. I guess all white men also enjoy shooting up school because statistically those are the people who are doing such heinous crimes. They should also have walls built around them. Hell, we're all bad using that kind of logic, so why have any police, military or order? Just give everyone guns and let the fittest survive.
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 13:27:46 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 13:27:46 GMT -4
Okay so because people were either born in the U.S. or immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. kill other citizens that makes it okay for a guy who was deported 5 times and kept coming back to San Francisco, due to it being a sanctuary city, and then proceed to steal a policeman's gun and shoot an innocent woman who was walking the pier with her father? Thanx ... incredible logic on display here folks I never said it made it ok. Cops kill people as well as former military, does that mean we should disband the police and military because they are all murderers and crooked? Your example is an exception used as a rule. Most killings in the US happen in poor areas and inner cities, most of those are US citizens and who's families have been in the country for 150-200 years. There is ZERO evidence that immigrants are more likely to kill or rape, it's all Trump bullshit propaganda. We are talking illegal immigrants, key word ILLEGAL, can you fucking read? Trump wants to stop illegal immigration and there are a lot of people being killed in the U.S. in the past decade by illegal immigrants who have come from Mexico or have been allowed to pass via Mexico- google what I said to google and it is clear. Mexico certainly isn't doing anything to stop people coming from Central America.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2016 13:42:16 GMT -4
I never said it made it ok. Cops kill people as well as former military, does that mean we should disband the police and military because they are all murderers and crooked? Your example is an exception used as a rule. Most killings in the US happen in poor areas and inner cities, most of those are US citizens and who's families have been in the country for 150-200 years. There is ZERO evidence that immigrants are more likely to kill or rape, it's all Trump bullshit propaganda. We are talking illegal immigrants, key word ILLEGAL, can you fucking read? Trump wants to stop illegal immigration and there are a lot of people being killed in the U.S. in the past decade by illegal immigrants who have come from Mexico or have been allowed to pass via Mexico- google what I said to google and it is clear. Mexico certainly isn't doing anything to stop people coming from Central America. Doesn't every leader want to stop illegal things, though? Are you saying every other President encouraged illegal immigration? You're simply proving that you're listening to Trump and his ideology without bothering to question with common sense any part of his message. Illegal people enter the US via Canada too, should we also have a wall erected to make sure that doesn't happen? There's lots of Americans being killed by Americans over the past decade too but that point falls on dead ears in this entire conversation which is a part of the point against the GOP that they refuse to adequately acknowledge. Every time there's another mass shooting the President stands up and says "we need to change" as the GOP continues to campaign for the status quo with the change they want based on the fear of someone elses skin that somehow puts more weight on the extremely minority illegal immigrant murders vs the much more common American on American murders. And asking people if they can "fucking read" when they can very clearly "fucking read" because they don't buy into your extreme view doesn't help the conversation any. That's actually very Trump like. Which is the point. As that's not how a leader should look at or discuss things.
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 13:52:47 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 13:52:47 GMT -4
We are talking illegal immigrants, key word ILLEGAL, can you fucking read? Trump wants to stop illegal immigration and there are a lot of people being killed in the U.S. in the past decade by illegal immigrants who have come from Mexico or have been allowed to pass via Mexico- google what I said to google and it is clear. Mexico certainly isn't doing anything to stop people coming from Central America. Doesn't every leader want to stop illegal things, though? Are you saying every other President encouraged illegal immigration? You're simply proving that you're listening to Trump and his ideology without bothering to question with common sense any part of his message. Illegal people enter the US via Canada too, should we also have a wall erected to make sure that doesn't happen? There's lots of Americans being killed by Americans over the past decade too but that point falls on dead ears in this entire conversation which is a part of the point against the GOP that they refuse to adequately acknowledge. Every time there's another mass shooting the President stands up and says "we need to change" as the GOP continues to campaign for the status quo with the change they want based on the fear of someone elses skin that somehow puts more weight on the extremely minority illegal immigrant murders vs the much more common American on American murders. And asking people if they can "fucking read" when they can very clearly "fucking read" because they don't buy into your extreme view doesn't help the conversation any. That's actually very Trump like. Which is the point. As that's not how a leader should look at or discuss things. Billy was saying immigrant, that Trump was against immigrants, while the truth is that he is against ILLEGAL immigration... he was either a) not reading properly or b) reading it and ignoring it.
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 14:24:52 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 14:24:52 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 14:37:07 GMT -4
I never said it made it ok. Cops kill people as well as former military, does that mean we should disband the police and military because they are all murderers and crooked? Your example is an exception used as a rule. Most killings in the US happen in poor areas and inner cities, most of those are US citizens and who's families have been in the country for 150-200 years. There is ZERO evidence that immigrants are more likely to kill or rape, it's all Trump bullshit propaganda. We are talking illegal immigrants, key word ILLEGAL, can you fucking read? Trump wants to stop illegal immigration and there are a lot of people being killed in the U.S. in the past decade by illegal immigrants who have come from Mexico or have been allowed to pass via Mexico- google what I said to google and it is clear. Mexico certainly isn't doing anything to stop people coming from Central America. Everybody wants to stop illegal immigration. That's not even a discussion. It's the moronic idea that... A-all immigrants are murderers and rapists, when most of them just want a better life and a job B-building a billion dollar wall which will only help a bit. Immigrants will find a way around or over the wall, it will just lead to more trafficking. You can't build a wall tall enough to stop planes or deep enough so you can't dig a tunnel under...or in the water to stop boats. It makes little sense, just Trump "throwing shit against the wall".
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 14:39:02 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 14:39:02 GMT -4
Doesn't every leader want to stop illegal things, though? Are you saying every other President encouraged illegal immigration? You're simply proving that you're listening to Trump and his ideology without bothering to question with common sense any part of his message. Illegal people enter the US via Canada too, should we also have a wall erected to make sure that doesn't happen? There's lots of Americans being killed by Americans over the past decade too but that point falls on dead ears in this entire conversation which is a part of the point against the GOP that they refuse to adequately acknowledge. Every time there's another mass shooting the President stands up and says "we need to change" as the GOP continues to campaign for the status quo with the change they want based on the fear of someone elses skin that somehow puts more weight on the extremely minority illegal immigrant murders vs the much more common American on American murders. And asking people if they can "fucking read" when they can very clearly "fucking read" because they don't buy into your extreme view doesn't help the conversation any. That's actually very Trump like. Which is the point. As that's not how a leader should look at or discuss things. Billy was saying immigrant, that Trump was against immigrants, while the truth is that he is against ILLEGAL immigration... he was either a) not reading properly or b) reading it and ignoring it. Trump didn't just say ILLEGAL immigrants, he wanted to stop ALL MUSLIMS from entering the US. that has nothing to do with illegals.
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Jul 20, 2016 14:43:13 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 14:43:13 GMT -4
That doesn't change the fact that his speeches ooze hate and racism. Most of that stuff is not proven, could all be lies like he spews daily.
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Jul 20, 2016 14:44:52 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 14:44:52 GMT -4
We are talking illegal immigrants, key word ILLEGAL, can you fucking read? Trump wants to stop illegal immigration and there are a lot of people being killed in the U.S. in the past decade by illegal immigrants who have come from Mexico or have been allowed to pass via Mexico- google what I said to google and it is clear. Mexico certainly isn't doing anything to stop people coming from Central America. Everybody wants to stop illegal immigration. That's not even a discussion. It's the moronic idea that... A-all immigrants are murderers and rapists, when most of them just want a better life and a job B-building a billion dollar wall which will only help a bit. Immigrants will find a way around or over the wall, it will just lead to more trafficking. You can't build a wall tall enough to stop planes or deep enough so you can't dig a tunnel under...or in the water to stop boats. It makes little sense, just Trump "throwing shit against the wall". Democrats don't want to stop illegal immigration, anytime a Republican offers up a plan he or she is called RACIST by Obama and the rest of the Democrats.
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Jul 20, 2016 14:47:45 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 14:47:45 GMT -4
Billy was saying immigrant, that Trump was against immigrants, while the truth is that he is against ILLEGAL immigration... he was either a) not reading properly or b) reading it and ignoring it. Trump didn't just say ILLEGAL immigrants, he wanted to stop ALL MUSLIMS from entering the US. that has nothing to do with illegals. He wants a moratorium on immigration/visits from countries whose diaspora are engaged in terrorist activity and he wants to make sure refugees from Syria are fully vetted before being allowed into the country.
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Jul 20, 2016 14:48:39 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 14:48:39 GMT -4
That doesn't change the fact that his speeches ooze hate and racism. Most of that stuff is not proven, could all be lies like he spews daily. The links are provided for proof Billy.
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Trump
Jul 20, 2016 14:56:53 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jul 20, 2016 14:56:53 GMT -4
Trump didn't just say ILLEGAL immigrants, he wanted to stop ALL MUSLIMS from entering the US. that has nothing to do with illegals. He wants a moratorium on immigration/visits from countries whose diaspora are engaged in terrorist activity and he wants to make sure refugees from Syria are fully vetted before being allowed into the country. What if someone was coming from France? Germany? And it has been established that refugees are being vetted. Since 9/11, how many refugees have committed an attack on American soil? There is probably thousands you will list based on the non-existent screening. His words and plans are not only unrealistic, they are doing major harm to innocent Mexican/Muslim/Middle Eastern in the eyes of white America, using fear and hate to divide a very integrated society that has co-existed for decades.
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