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Jul 20, 2016 8:44:32 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 8:44:32 GMT -4
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Jul 20, 2016 8:45:52 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 8:45:52 GMT -4
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Jul 20, 2016 9:04:47 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 20, 2016 9:04:47 GMT -4
Wow ... those are pretty standard buzz words in the political arenas right now ... I expect they have been used many times by politicians, activists, lobbyists and non-politicos alike. All the Trump haters have latched onto this like he killed a baby ... pathetic really. But I also think you expect too much from Trump's super model wife. Do you think she wrote the speech ? Do you think Trump took the time to write the speech ? Do you think Trump took the time to check to see if anybody had a similar speech ? Do you think that should be his job at this time ? Do you think that maybe Trump will say to the speech writer ... "You're Fired !!" ? I'm not supporting either candidate and I certainly understand the dislike of Trump. But what I don't understand is the protests that surround Trump. Why protest ? Just vote. Protesting is sort of trying to undermine the whole democratic process. If a majority of voters don't want him then he won't get in (I know ... see George W Bush) ... if a majority of voters do want him to get in then he will (I know ... see Al Gore) ... I'm simplifying of course. But if the vote is that close and this could go either way, who are these protesters who think they should take away the right of other voters to vote for Trump ? I don't think either candidate is well liked. Hillary isn't hatable but nobody is really high on her. She is sort of the Not Trump vote. But what happens if a charismatic independent candidate pops in soon and starts to split up that vote ? Would that hurt Trump or hurt Hillary more ? People are protesting because he is awful and hateful and every minute he goes uninterrupted is a minute too long. So because you don't like Trump you think protests to block his ascension to Republican nominee and President is democratic. You want to take away the right for others to vote for him ... which means you want to have your vote ... and you want to own my vote too and control who I can and can't vote for. Does that seem democratic to you. Not you specifically ... you don't get a vote ... you know what I mean. Awful and hatable to you ... but not to many others ... or he wouldn't get the nomination. Is that how you feel ... if you don't like him then nobody else should get to vote for him ? Some people like that he is not trying to be politically correct ... what they hate most about most politicians is they are afraid to say what they really think and instead throw out some wishy washy pile of nothing to avoid any sort controversy. Trump is the exact opposite of that and it is refreshing. The other people love to be outraged ... because Facebook told them that Trump is bad ... sheep.
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Jul 20, 2016 9:20:32 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 9:20:32 GMT -4
People are protesting because he is awful and hateful and every minute he goes uninterrupted is a minute too long. So because you don't like Trump you think protests to block his ascension to Republican nominee and President is democratic. You want to take away the right for others to vote for him ... which means you want to have your vote ... and you want to own my vote too and control who I can and can't vote for. Does that seem democratic to you. Not you specifically ... you don't get a vote ... you know what I mean. Awful and hatable to you ... but not to many others ... or he wouldn't get the nomination. Is that how you feel ... if you don't like him then nobody else should get to vote for him ? Some people like that he is not trying to be politically correct ... what they hate most about most politicians is they are afraid to say what they really think and instead throw out some wishy washy pile of nothing to avoid any sort controversy. Trump is the exact opposite of that and it is refreshing. The other people love to be outraged ... because Facebook told them that Trump is bad ... sheep. Liking the "non political correctness" is all fine and dandy until you are the one being targeted. The part you don't seem to grasp is, even being a party's nominee for an election makes you a face for the country. How would you like to be a black person, maybe even one that has faced live bullets and bombs for your country and then suddenly the Republicans nominate a guy that thinks you're less of a being than the guys next to you or the people you protect/serve. If Trump was only "non politically correct" more people would tolerate him, but he is blatantly racist, calling black people an inferior race and Mexicans rapists and drug dealers plus labelling all Muslims terrorists when 99.9% of them have to ties to Jihadis or terrorism.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2016 9:24:58 GMT -4
People are protesting because he is awful and hateful and every minute he goes uninterrupted is a minute too long. So because you don't like Trump you think protests to block his ascension to Republican nominee and President is democratic. You want to take away the right for others to vote for him ... which means you want to have your vote ... and you want to own my vote too and control who I can and can't vote for. Does that seem democratic to you. Not you specifically ... you don't get a vote ... you know what I mean. Awful and hatable to you ... but not to many others ... or he wouldn't get the nomination. Is that how you feel ... if you don't like him then nobody else should get to vote for him ? Some people like that he is not trying to be politically correct ... what they hate most about most politicians is they are afraid to say what they really think and instead throw out some wishy washy pile of nothing to avoid any sort controversy. Trump is the exact opposite of that and it is refreshing. The other people love to be outraged ... because Facebook told them that Trump is bad ... sheep. That very logic is also how dictators who commit awful crimes under the guise of government come to being in power. "Oh you poor Jews don't like Adolff...you're all sheep" You can't campaign based on building a wall and changing laws to force races and religions to leave, or not enter, your country and simply be passed off as being not politically correct. If what you really think is Mexicans should have a wall built around them and all Muslims should be banned from entering your country then there is nothing refreshing about your message because you're a xenophobic racist who an entire political party should be ashamed to parade out to the masses. How you can possible follow anything to do with the RNC and not find all those GOP supporters as the true sheep in the entire process tells me you're simply playing the devils advocate and can't possible believe half of what you wrote there. You're too smart for that.
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Jul 20, 2016 10:44:09 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 10:44:09 GMT -4
So because you don't like Trump you think protests to block his ascension to Republican nominee and President is democratic. You want to take away the right for others to vote for him ... which means you want to have your vote ... and you want to own my vote too and control who I can and can't vote for. Does that seem democratic to you. Not you specifically ... you don't get a vote ... you know what I mean. Awful and hatable to you ... but not to many others ... or he wouldn't get the nomination. Is that how you feel ... if you don't like him then nobody else should get to vote for him ? Some people like that he is not trying to be politically correct ... what they hate most about most politicians is they are afraid to say what they really think and instead throw out some wishy washy pile of nothing to avoid any sort controversy. Trump is the exact opposite of that and it is refreshing. The other people love to be outraged ... because Facebook told them that Trump is bad ... sheep. Liking the "non political correctness" is all fine and dandy until you are the one being targeted. The part you don't seem to grasp is, even being a party's nominee for an election makes you a face for the country. How would you like to be a black person, maybe even one that has faced live bullets and bombs for your country and then suddenly the Republicans nominate a guy that thinks you're less of a being than the guys next to you or the people you protect/serve. If Trump was only "non politically correct" more people would tolerate him, but he is blatantly racist, calling black people an inferior race and Mexicans rapists and drug dealers plus labelling all Muslims terrorists when 99.9% of them have to ties to Jihadis or terrorism. Trump didn't say ALL Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers- This story happened not too long after Trump's announcement that he was running and made the remark that "Mexico is not sending their best- they send rapists, they send murderers, they send drugs, they send drug dealers". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_SteinleThis is exactly what Trump was talking about.
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Jul 20, 2016 11:03:40 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2016 11:03:40 GMT -4
Liking the "non political correctness" is all fine and dandy until you are the one being targeted. The part you don't seem to grasp is, even being a party's nominee for an election makes you a face for the country. How would you like to be a black person, maybe even one that has faced live bullets and bombs for your country and then suddenly the Republicans nominate a guy that thinks you're less of a being than the guys next to you or the people you protect/serve. If Trump was only "non politically correct" more people would tolerate him, but he is blatantly racist, calling black people an inferior race and Mexicans rapists and drug dealers plus labelling all Muslims terrorists when 99.9% of them have to ties to Jihadis or terrorism. Trump didn't say ALL Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers- This story happened not too long after Trump's announcement that he was running and made the remark that "Mexico is not sending their best- they send rapists, they send murderers, they send drugs, they send drug dealers". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_SteinleThis is exactly what Trump was talking about. Rationalizing his ignorance doesn't make him any less ignorant. Has there really never been 1 successful Mexican immigrant enter the USA? Reading that quote it sounds like it's all trouble because the view is 1 from an extreme position that is based on making sure the sheep you're speaking at become fearful of all the Mexican immigrants based on the bad apples that could cross the border and acting like there couldn't possibly be any good stories to tell from immigrants coming in from Mexico.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 11:17:40 GMT -4
Liking the "non political correctness" is all fine and dandy until you are the one being targeted. The part you don't seem to grasp is, even being a party's nominee for an election makes you a face for the country. How would you like to be a black person, maybe even one that has faced live bullets and bombs for your country and then suddenly the Republicans nominate a guy that thinks you're less of a being than the guys next to you or the people you protect/serve. If Trump was only "non politically correct" more people would tolerate him, but he is blatantly racist, calling black people an inferior race and Mexicans rapists and drug dealers plus labelling all Muslims terrorists when 99.9% of them have to ties to Jihadis or terrorism. Trump didn't say ALL Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers- This story happened not too long after Trump's announcement that he was running and made the remark that "Mexico is not sending their best- they send rapists, they send murderers, they send drugs, they send drug dealers". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_SteinleThis is exactly what Trump was talking about. Mexico is not "sending" anybody, another BS statement from Trump. The people crossing the border, similar to the Syrians fleeing their country, are people trying to get away from a bad situation and a better/fresh start. I would venture to guess that the ratio of rapists and murderers in those groups is lower than the normal US(or in our case, Canadian) citizen. 99.9% of people killed in the US are killed by US citizens, not immigrants or illegal immigrants. The last 2 cop killings were black former Marines, pissed off at putting their lives on the line and having their race treated so badly by the police. That does not make it right, and the Black Lives Matter rhetoric goes too far, but in general racism is alive and well in the US and Trump is part of the problem, not the solution.
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Jul 20, 2016 11:22:38 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 11:22:38 GMT -4
Trump didn't say ALL Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers- This story happened not too long after Trump's announcement that he was running and made the remark that "Mexico is not sending their best- they send rapists, they send murderers, they send drugs, they send drug dealers". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_SteinleThis is exactly what Trump was talking about. Rationalizing his ignorance doesn't make him any less ignorant. Has there really never been 1 successful Mexican immigrant enter the USA? Reading that quote it sounds like it's all trouble because the view is 1 from an extreme position that is based on making sure the sheep you're speaking at become fearful of all the Mexican immigrants based on the bad apples that could cross the border and acting like there couldn't possibly be any good stories to tell from immigrants coming in from Mexico. Google "U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants" and you'll have to type in almost all of it as Google is trying to hide it and you'll see the huge problem in the U.S. The U.S. has done a terrible job with their southern border for decades and when anyone wants to control illegal immigration they get called racist by the people who are using illegal immigration to make money and keep them in office...
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Jul 20, 2016 11:24:37 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 11:24:37 GMT -4
Trump didn't say ALL Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers- This story happened not too long after Trump's announcement that he was running and made the remark that "Mexico is not sending their best- they send rapists, they send murderers, they send drugs, they send drug dealers". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_SteinleThis is exactly what Trump was talking about. Mexico is not "sending" anybody, another BS statement from Trump. The people crossing the border, similar to the Syrians fleeing their country, are people trying to get away from a bad situation and a better/fresh start. I would venture to guess that the ratio of rapists and murderers in those groups is lower than the normal US(or in our case, Canadian) citizen. 99.9% of people killed in the US are killed by US citizens, not immigrants or illegal immigrants. The last 2 cop killings were black former Marines, pissed off at putting their lives on the line and having their race treated so badly by the police. That does not make it right, and the Black Lives Matter rhetoric goes too far, but in general racism is alive and well in the US and Trump is part of the problem, not the solution. So you obviously didn't read the link about the guy who killed this lady and was deported FIVE times then... good job Billy... so typical.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jul 20, 2016 11:35:38 GMT -4
People are protesting because he is awful and hateful and every minute he goes uninterrupted is a minute too long. So because you don't like Trump you think protests to block his ascension to Republican nominee and President is democratic. You want to take away the right for others to vote for him ... which means you want to have your vote ... and you want to own my vote too and control who I can and can't vote for. Does that seem democratic to you. Not you specifically ... you don't get a vote ... you know what I mean. Awful and hatable to you ... but not to many others ... or he wouldn't get the nomination. Is that how you feel ... if you don't like him then nobody else should get to vote for him ? Some people like that he is not trying to be politically correct ... what they hate most about most politicians is they are afraid to say what they really think and instead throw out some wishy washy pile of nothing to avoid any sort controversy. Trump is the exact opposite of that and it is refreshing. The other people love to be outraged ... because Facebook told them that Trump is bad ... sheep. WTF are you talking about? Nobody is allowed to vote for him? Where did I suggest that? Great rant but not sure who that is directed at. And no Steve, most of the world find his talk and his maturity deplorable... not because facebook told people to. If I say "all french people are cowards", I would have a significant number of people cheering me on - is it good that I was not being politically correct? Or is that just insulting to millions and stirring up hate towards a group of people, because of my opinion of some. Why do I hate Trump? First of all, he has no experience in government - how about he try to be a mayor or a governor first and see what he can do on a smaller scale, before being the most powerful man in the world? Let's see what problems will arise with his ability to be diplomatic at THAT level first. It would likely be a shit show. He gets in childish twitter wars with anyone who crosses him - often all night long. He flip flops on virtually everything once its explained to him that he can't do that - like killing the families of terrorists. He praises TV networks that show him in a good light, then trashes them if they run a story that doesn't flatter him. He speaks in vague, repetitive terms like he is in junior high - and people eat it up! He calls everyone liars, even though he lies CONSTANTLY and about dangerous things (he watched on TV as thousands of Muslims cheered on the 9/11 attack from NJ). He says he is very religious but when pressed with religious questions he just rambles about nonsense. He has promised millions to charities, that were proven to never be made. He barely made any donation to anything 9/11 related - and that was in his backyard! He praises and quotes dictators, retweets white supremicists...he bans newspapers from covering him (he said he HATES journalists, and when told that Putin supposedly had journalists killed, he said something like "At least he is showing leadership")...he makes up childish nicknames for political foes...and he still hasn't released his taxes. Then there are the big things already covered over and over - sexism/racism/bigotry. My own judge of who he is/was (even before this bid to be President) was he is a shallow, materialistic, narcissistic, immature sociopath who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. And that is fine in the world of business, music, or entertainment - it can even make you very successful. But he will have no ability to be sensitive to the different issues in his country or around the world. None of this was from facebook. It is based on things he has actually done or said - so don't assume people hate him because they are sheep. The sheep are those who get behind what he rambles about. He is a pretty terrible person who would be a terrible leader on a global scale. If you don't feel that way, that's fine - but I will never be able to wrap my head around the mindset that he will "Make America Great Again". He'd be flushing it down a toilet.
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Jul 20, 2016 11:36:51 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2016 11:36:51 GMT -4
Rationalizing his ignorance doesn't make him any less ignorant. Has there really never been 1 successful Mexican immigrant enter the USA? Reading that quote it sounds like it's all trouble because the view is 1 from an extreme position that is based on making sure the sheep you're speaking at become fearful of all the Mexican immigrants based on the bad apples that could cross the border and acting like there couldn't possibly be any good stories to tell from immigrants coming in from Mexico. Google "U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants" and you'll have to type in almost all of it as Google is trying to hide it and you'll see the huge problem in the U.S. The U.S. has done a terrible job with their southern border for decades and when anyone wants to control illegal immigration they get called racist by the people who are using illegal immigration to make money and keep them in office... Controlling immigration and referencing building walls to keep people out are so completely different that it's probably pointless to continue this discussion. People are calling Trump racist because he is racist. He's also the last person who should be given the job of cleaning up any social mess that decades of poor governing may have created.
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Jul 20, 2016 11:38:41 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jul 20, 2016 11:38:41 GMT -4
Mexico is not "sending" anybody, another BS statement from Trump. The people crossing the border, similar to the Syrians fleeing their country, are people trying to get away from a bad situation and a better/fresh start. I would venture to guess that the ratio of rapists and murderers in those groups is lower than the normal US(or in our case, Canadian) citizen. 99.9% of people killed in the US are killed by US citizens, not immigrants or illegal immigrants. The last 2 cop killings were black former Marines, pissed off at putting their lives on the line and having their race treated so badly by the police. That does not make it right, and the Black Lives Matter rhetoric goes too far, but in general racism is alive and well in the US and Trump is part of the problem, not the solution. So you obviously didn't read the link about the guy who killed this lady and was deported FIVE times then... good job Billy... so typical. Can that be countered with news stories of regular Americans killing people?
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Jul 20, 2016 12:11:34 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 20, 2016 12:11:34 GMT -4
So you obviously didn't read the link about the guy who killed this lady and was deported FIVE times then... good job Billy... so typical. Can that be countered with news stories of regular Americans killing people? Okay so because people were either born in the U.S. or immigrated LEGALLY to the U.S. kill other citizens that makes it okay for a guy who was deported 5 times and kept coming back to San Francisco, due to it being a sanctuary city, and then proceed to steal a policeman's gun and shoot an innocent woman who was walking the pier with her father? Thanx ... incredible logic on display here folks
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Jul 20, 2016 12:57:48 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2016 12:57:48 GMT -4
So because you don't like Trump you think protests to block his ascension to Republican nominee and President is democratic. You want to take away the right for others to vote for him ... which means you want to have your vote ... and you want to own my vote too and control who I can and can't vote for. Does that seem democratic to you. Not you specifically ... you don't get a vote ... you know what I mean. Awful and hatable to you ... but not to many others ... or he wouldn't get the nomination. Is that how you feel ... if you don't like him then nobody else should get to vote for him ? Some people like that he is not trying to be politically correct ... what they hate most about most politicians is they are afraid to say what they really think and instead throw out some wishy washy pile of nothing to avoid any sort controversy. Trump is the exact opposite of that and it is refreshing. The other people love to be outraged ... because Facebook told them that Trump is bad ... sheep. WTF are you talking about? Nobody is allowed to vote for him? Where did I suggest that? Great rant but not sure who that is directed at. And no Steve, most of the world find his talk and his maturity deplorable... not because facebook told people to. If I say "all french people are cowards", I would have a significant number of people cheering me on - is it good that I was not being politically correct? Or is that just insulting to millions and stirring up hate towards a group of people, because of my opinion of some. Why do I hate Trump? First of all, he has no experience in government - how about he try to be a mayor or a governor first and see what he can do on a smaller scale, before being the most powerful man in the world? Let's see what problems will arise with his ability to be diplomatic at THAT level first. It would likely be a shit show. He gets in childish twitter wars with anyone who crosses him - often all night long. He flip flops on virtually everything once its explained to him that he can't do that - like killing the families of terrorists. He praises TV networks that show him in a good light, then trashes them if they run a story that doesn't flatter him. He speaks in vague, repetitive terms like he is in junior high - and people eat it up! He calls everyone liars, even though he lies CONSTANTLY and about dangerous things (he watched on TV as thousands of Muslims cheered on the 9/11 attack from NJ). He says he is very religious but when pressed with religious questions he just rambles about nonsense. He has promised millions to charities, that were proven to never be made. He barely made any donation to anything 9/11 related - and that was in his backyard! He praises and quotes dictators, retweets white supremicists...he bans newspapers from covering him (he said he HATES journalists, and when told that Putin supposedly had journalists killed, he said something like "At least he is showing leadership")...he makes up childish nicknames for political foes...and he still hasn't released his taxes. Then there are the big things already covered over and over - sexism/racism/bigotry. My own judge of who he is/was (even before this bid to be President) was he is a shallow, materialistic, narcissistic, immature sociopath who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. And that is fine in the world of business, music, or entertainment - it can even make you very successful. But he will have no ability to be sensitive to the different issues in his country or around the world. None of this was from facebook. It is based on things he has actually done or said - so don't assume people hate him because they are sheep. The sheep are those who get behind what he rambles about. He is a pretty terrible person who would be a terrible leader on a global scale. If you don't feel that way, that's fine - but I will never be able to wrap my head around the mindset that he will "Make America Great Again". He'd be flushing it down a toilet. Very well said. He's like a cardboard cut out, there is no substance behind it and a light breeze just blows it over. I'd rather see somebody who's views I may not agree with (Cruz or Ryan) but who actually has his views and can back them up than this piece of shit. His idea of a political campaign is to throw a bunch of shit at a wall and see what sticks. Most of the Republican party can't stay far enough away from him.
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