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Jul 19, 2016 11:12:29 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jul 19, 2016 11:12:29 GMT -4
Ugh... by all means, then lets see the speech Michelle practically copied word for word. It kind of IS a big deal that they would plagiarise the ENEMY'S speech! You passing it off with blah blah blah is actually how Trump and supporters deal with direct questions or facts presented to them http://instagr.am/p/BIC1Pz6jThL It is TWO passages out of a 10 MINUTE SPEECH- does MIchelle Obama own those words and is the only person ever allowed to use those exact words in a speech? The fact that even if only two sentences were plagiarised from the Democratic enemy's speech is actually a big deal, on a basis of pride at the very least. By your reasoning, I can tweak Shakespeare and call it my own, because he doesn't OWN those words, right? Stop being silly.
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Jul 19, 2016 11:44:01 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 19, 2016 11:44:01 GMT -4
It is TWO passages out of a 10 MINUTE SPEECH- does MIchelle Obama own those words and is the only person ever allowed to use those exact words in a speech? The fact that even if only two sentences were plagiarised from the Democratic enemy's speech is actually a big deal, on a basis of pride at the very least. By your reasoning, I can tweak Shakespeare and call it my own, because he doesn't OWN those words, right? Stop being silly. Stop being silly? You're the one throwing out straw man bullshit at the end of your post, bud. The words that both women used, Michelle Obama in 2008 and Melania last night, that are in dispute, stupidly IMO, are cliches that politicians have used in speeches for decades. Up until last night, when Mrs. Trump killed it in her speech, I wouldn't have been surprised to have heard Hillary Clinton use those words in her acceptance speech in a couple weeks. But she knows she has to tread lightly in attacking Melania so her supporters are using this method of attack mainly because Hillary cannot use those words in her speech... probably due to the fact that she should have been indicted but Obama's attorney general got her off.
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Jul 19, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -4
Post by Gman on Jul 19, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -4
The fact that even if only two sentences were plagiarised from the Democratic enemy's speech is actually a big deal, on a basis of pride at the very least. By your reasoning, I can tweak Shakespeare and call it my own, because he doesn't OWN those words, right? Stop being silly. Stop being silly? You're the one throwing out straw man bullshit at the end of your post, bud. The words that both women used, Michelle Obama in 2008 and Melania last night, that are in dispute, stupidly IMO, are cliches that politicians have used in speeches for decades. Up until last night, when Mrs. Trump killed it in her speech, I wouldn't have been surprised to have heard Hillary Clinton use those words in her acceptance speech in a couple weeks. But she knows she has to tread lightly in attacking Melania so her supporters are using this method of attack mainly because Hillary cannot use those words in her speech... probably due to the fact that she should have been indicted but Obama's attorney general got her off. Dude she made the exact same statements in the exact same order, with practically the exact same words. It's fucking copycat.... she can't come up with her own speech? Like what the hell. How can you possibly defend this?
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Trump
Jul 19, 2016 14:03:02 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 19, 2016 14:03:02 GMT -4
Stop being silly? You're the one throwing out straw man bullshit at the end of your post, bud. The words that both women used, Michelle Obama in 2008 and Melania last night, that are in dispute, stupidly IMO, are cliches that politicians have used in speeches for decades. Up until last night, when Mrs. Trump killed it in her speech, I wouldn't have been surprised to have heard Hillary Clinton use those words in her acceptance speech in a couple weeks. But she knows she has to tread lightly in attacking Melania so her supporters are using this method of attack mainly because Hillary cannot use those words in her speech... probably due to the fact that she should have been indicted but Obama's attorney general got her off. Dude she made the exact same statements in the exact same order, with practically the exact same words. It's fucking copycat.... she can't come up with her own speech? Like what the hell. How can you possibly defend this? You do realize that it is was TWO PASSAGES in a speech that took approximately TEN MINUTES. I've already said that at least a couple times today in this thread, like are people having trouble actually reading today or something? The words under dispute are a very small percentage of the overall speech but the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are acting like she copied 100% of it word for word. If Hillary Clinton were to have said the same phrases, and it very possible she could have in a couple weeks at her convention or have said them in the past nobody would give a shit except Fox News and she would be given a pass. 25-30 words in a speech with probably close to a 1000 giving it was appx 10 minutes or so and because it was done by Donald Trump's wife it is a big deal. Fucking ridiculous!
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Trump
Jul 19, 2016 14:24:13 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 19, 2016 14:24:13 GMT -4
Dude she made the exact same statements in the exact same order, with practically the exact same words. It's fucking copycat.... she can't come up with her own speech? Like what the hell. How can you possibly defend this? You do realize that it is was TWO PASSAGES in a speech that took approximately TEN MINUTES. I've already said that at least a couple times today in this thread, like are people having trouble actually reading today or something? The words under dispute are a very small percentage of the overall speech but the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are acting like she copied 100% of it word for word. If Hillary Clinton were to have said the same phrases, and it very possible she could have in a couple weeks at her convention or have said them in the past nobody would give a shit except Fox News and she would be given a pass. 25-30 words in a speech with probably close to a 1000 giving it was appx 10 minutes or so and because it was done by Donald Trump's wife it is a big deal. Fucking ridiculous! Regarless of how many words it is, it's still taken almost word for word, blatantly obvious.
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Jul 19, 2016 14:26:42 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 14:26:42 GMT -4
Dude she made the exact same statements in the exact same order, with practically the exact same words. It's fucking copycat.... she can't come up with her own speech? Like what the hell. How can you possibly defend this? You do realize that it is was TWO PASSAGES in a speech that took approximately TEN MINUTES. I've already said that at least a couple times today in this thread, like are people having trouble actually reading today or something? The words under dispute are a very small percentage of the overall speech but the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are acting like she copied 100% of it word for word. If Hillary Clinton were to have said the same phrases, and it very possible she could have in a couple weeks at her convention or have said them in the past nobody would give a shit except Fox News and she would be given a pass. 25-30 words in a speech with probably close to a 1000 giving it was appx 10 minutes or so and because it was done by Donald Trump's wife it is a big deal. Fucking ridiculous! I can only narrow your reasoning down to 3 things. 1) your not thinking at all ! 2) your suffering from the BULL SHIT BAFFLES BRAINS strategy. 3) your part of the BULL SHIT BAFFLES BRAINS strategy.
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Jul 19, 2016 14:32:57 GMT -4
Post by MikeC on Jul 19, 2016 14:32:57 GMT -4
Dude she made the exact same statements in the exact same order, with practically the exact same words. It's fucking copycat.... she can't come up with her own speech? Like what the hell. How can you possibly defend this? You do realize that it is was TWO PASSAGES in a speech that took approximately TEN MINUTES. I've already said that at least a couple times today in this thread, like are people having trouble actually reading today or something? The words under dispute are a very small percentage of the overall speech but the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are acting like she copied 100% of it word for word. If Hillary Clinton were to have said the same phrases, and it very possible she could have in a couple weeks at her convention or have said them in the past nobody would give a shit except Fox News and she would be given a pass. 25-30 words in a speech with probably close to a 1000 giving it was appx 10 minutes or so and because it was done by Donald Trump's wife it is a big deal. Fucking ridiculous! Yeah, I think you're on your own on this one, and I thought it was being blown out of proportion until I saw that side-by-side. It's not like the other 29 teams at the NHL draft all thanking 'Buffalo for their hospitality', or the untold number of hiphop songs that implore you to 'put your hands up in the air and wave them like you just don't care'. That 30 second section is basically word for word. It's like her staff googled 'emotional First Lady Convention speeches' and clicked on "I'm feeling lucky".
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Trump
Jul 19, 2016 14:40:20 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 19, 2016 14:40:20 GMT -4
You do realize that it is was TWO PASSAGES in a speech that took approximately TEN MINUTES. I've already said that at least a couple times today in this thread, like are people having trouble actually reading today or something? The words under dispute are a very small percentage of the overall speech but the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are acting like she copied 100% of it word for word. If Hillary Clinton were to have said the same phrases, and it very possible she could have in a couple weeks at her convention or have said them in the past nobody would give a shit except Fox News and she would be given a pass. 25-30 words in a speech with probably close to a 1000 giving it was appx 10 minutes or so and because it was done by Donald Trump's wife it is a big deal. Fucking ridiculous! Yeah, I think you're on your own on this one, and I thought it was being blown out of proportion until I saw that side-by-side. It's not like the other 29 teams at the NHL draft all thanking 'Buffalo for their hospitality', or the untold number of hiphop songs that implore you to 'put your hands up in the air and wave them like you just don't care'. That 30 second section is basically word for word. It's like her staff googled 'emotional First Lady Convention speeches' and clicked on "I'm feeling lucky". Clearly he doesn't seem to understand what people look for an analyze in political speeches like that. I'm a huge fan of politics and have completely shut out this whole American clusterfuck. I spent last night very happy to be a Canadian and not tied to the absolute shit show happening in Cleveland this week. The scene inside and outside the arena is everything wrong with America....the complete opposite of what the entire process should be about. Thank fuck we're not left to choose between a racist old man and an ignorant old lady. Either way everyone loses.
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Jul 19, 2016 14:43:32 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 19, 2016 14:43:32 GMT -4
You do realize that it is was TWO PASSAGES in a speech that took approximately TEN MINUTES. I've already said that at least a couple times today in this thread, like are people having trouble actually reading today or something? The words under dispute are a very small percentage of the overall speech but the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are acting like she copied 100% of it word for word. If Hillary Clinton were to have said the same phrases, and it very possible she could have in a couple weeks at her convention or have said them in the past nobody would give a shit except Fox News and she would be given a pass. 25-30 words in a speech with probably close to a 1000 giving it was appx 10 minutes or so and because it was done by Donald Trump's wife it is a big deal. Fucking ridiculous! Yeah, I think you're on your own on this one, and I thought it was being blown out of proportion until I saw that side-by-side. It's not like the other 29 teams at the NHL draft all thanking 'Buffalo for their hospitality', or the untold number of hiphop songs that implore you to 'put your hands up in the air and wave them like you just don't care'. That 30 second section is basically word for word. It's like her staff googled 'emotional First Lady Convention speeches' and clicked on "I'm feeling lucky". If you just look at that part of the whole speech and that is all you are looking at then I agree but it is probably about 2-3% of the speech. It isn't like Michelle Obama is the first ever political figure to have used these words in a speech being used to connect with voters or help their spouse connect with voters- these words are CLICHES ... cmon people.
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Jul 19, 2016 14:57:09 GMT -4
Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 19, 2016 14:57:09 GMT -4
You do realize that it is was TWO PASSAGES in a speech that took approximately TEN MINUTES. I've already said that at least a couple times today in this thread, like are people having trouble actually reading today or something? The words under dispute are a very small percentage of the overall speech but the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are acting like she copied 100% of it word for word. If Hillary Clinton were to have said the same phrases, and it very possible she could have in a couple weeks at her convention or have said them in the past nobody would give a shit except Fox News and she would be given a pass. 25-30 words in a speech with probably close to a 1000 giving it was appx 10 minutes or so and because it was done by Donald Trump's wife it is a big deal. Fucking ridiculous! I can only narrow your reasoning down to 3 things. 1) your not thinking at all ! 2) your suffering from the BULL SHIT BAFFLES BRAINS strategy. 3) your part of the BULL SHIT BAFFLES BRAINS strategy. I appreciate the irony of YOUR post insinuating on my lack of intellect when you use YOUR instead of the correct YOU'RE three times in the same post... better luck next time bud!
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Jul 19, 2016 15:25:12 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 19, 2016 15:25:12 GMT -4
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Jul 19, 2016 15:32:30 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 15:32:30 GMT -4
I can only narrow your reasoning down to 3 things. 1) your not thinking at all ! 2) your suffering from the BULL SHIT BAFFLES BRAINS strategy. 3) your part of the BULL SHIT BAFFLES BRAINS strategy. I appreciate the irony of YOUR post insinuating on my lack of intellect when you use YOUR instead of the correct YOU'RE three times in the same post... better luck next time bud! My comment was not meant attack you personally or to question your intelligence in any way but was only to question the ignorance of your argument.
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Jul 19, 2016 15:43:08 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 19, 2016 15:43:08 GMT -4
Funny, I didn't see me defending anything Trump said in the post that you quoted. Michelle Obama most likely ripped those lines off from somebody else in the past who in turn ripped it off from somebody before them who et cetera et cetera blalh blah blah.................. for her supporters to act like she OWNED those lines is beyond ridicluous but her husband has got a free pass for years so why not her right? Ugh... by all means, then lets see the speech Michelle practically copied word for word. It kind of IS a big deal that they would plagiarise the ENEMY'S speech! You passing it off with blah blah blah is actually how Trump and supporters deal with direct questions or facts presented to them http://instagr.am/p/BIC1Pz6jThL Wow ... those are pretty standard buzz words in the political arenas right now ... I expect they have been used many times by politicians, activists, lobbyists and non-politicos alike. All the Trump haters have latched onto this like he killed a baby ... pathetic really. But I also think you expect too much from Trump's super model wife. Do you think she wrote the speech ? Do you think Trump took the time to write the speech ? Do you think Trump took the time to check to see if anybody had a similar speech ? Do you think that should be his job at this time ? Do you think that maybe Trump will say to the speech writer ... "You're Fired !!" ? I'm not supporting either candidate and I certainly understand the dislike of Trump. But what I don't understand is the protests that surround Trump. Why protest ? Just vote. Protesting is sort of trying to undermine the whole democratic process. If a majority of voters don't want him then he won't get in (I know ... see George W Bush) ... if a majority of voters do want him to get in then he will (I know ... see Al Gore) ... I'm simplifying of course. But if the vote is that close and this could go either way, who are these protesters who think they should take away the right of other voters to vote for Trump ? I don't think either candidate is well liked. Hillary isn't hatable but nobody is really high on her. She is sort of the Not Trump vote. But what happens if a charismatic independent candidate pops in soon and starts to split up that vote ? Would that hurt Trump or hurt Hillary more ?
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Jul 19, 2016 15:46:36 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 19, 2016 15:46:36 GMT -4
I appreciate the irony of YOUR post insinuating on my lack of intellect when you use YOUR instead of the correct YOU'RE three times in the same post... better luck next time bud! My comment was not meant attack you personally or to question your intelligence in any way but was only to question the ignorance of your argument. Nope ... I felt you personally attacked him ... you got what you deserved. Just stick to the topic and leave personal attacks out of it.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jul 19, 2016 16:45:45 GMT -4
Ugh... by all means, then lets see the speech Michelle practically copied word for word. It kind of IS a big deal that they would plagiarise the ENEMY'S speech! You passing it off with blah blah blah is actually how Trump and supporters deal with direct questions or facts presented to them http://instagr.am/p/BIC1Pz6jThL Wow ... those are pretty standard buzz words in the political arenas right now ... I expect they have been used many times by politicians, activists, lobbyists and non-politicos alike. All the Trump haters have latched onto this like he killed a baby ... pathetic really. But I also think you expect too much from Trump's super model wife. Do you think she wrote the speech ? Do you think Trump took the time to write the speech ? Do you think Trump took the time to check to see if anybody had a similar speech ? Do you think that should be his job at this time ? Do you think that maybe Trump will say to the speech writer ... "You're Fired !!" ? I'm not supporting either candidate and I certainly understand the dislike of Trump. But what I don't understand is the protests that surround Trump. Why protest ? Just vote. Protesting is sort of trying to undermine the whole democratic process. If a majority of voters don't want him then he won't get in (I know ... see George W Bush) ... if a majority of voters do want him to get in then he will (I know ... see Al Gore) ... I'm simplifying of course. But if the vote is that close and this could go either way, who are these protesters who think they should take away the right of other voters to vote for Trump ? I don't think either candidate is well liked. Hillary isn't hatable but nobody is really high on her. She is sort of the Not Trump vote. But what happens if a charismatic independent candidate pops in soon and starts to split up that vote ? Would that hurt Trump or hurt Hillary more ? For one, Melania isn't really the focus of this. Everyone knows she didn't put most of that together. Its about the amateurish Trump campaign with yet another blunder, and again denying they did anything wrong. Even big Trump supporters are saying its clear someone plagiarized her words. There is no way they just came up with the exact phrases as 2008 Michelle Obama's. Even if they did, it should have been caught by checkers. People are protesting because he is awful and hateful and every minute he goes uninterrupted is a minute too long.
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