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Post by Reesor on Jan 7, 2017 12:58:06 GMT -4
Chicoutimi. Contest over. I wouldn't rule out a team stacked with NHL prospects that just what to get to the next chapter. Also look at goaltending. Chicoutimi has had some pretty bad luck in the past 20 seasons. If any contending team was going to bow out in the first round, my money is on them. I know it's a new batch of players etc, but just call it another hunch.
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Post by downthemiddle on Jan 7, 2017 22:26:11 GMT -4
Not even guarantee they work up to home ice so might not even be an upset
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Post by sc74 on Jan 9, 2017 20:37:07 GMT -4
Antoine Dufort-Plante who was traded from Rimouski to Baie-Comeau won't report to BC but BC won't release him so he can't play Junior A...
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Post by Reesor on Jan 9, 2017 20:48:28 GMT -4
Antoine Dufort-Plante who was traded from Rimouski to Baie-Comeau won't report to BC but BC won't release him so he can't play Junior A... If they don't release him and he goes home, are they still on the hook for what they gave Rimouski? I would think they'd release him and get that back. Is giving up a 3rd, an 8th and an 18yo player worth making a stand?
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Post by aquilae on Jan 10, 2017 5:40:38 GMT -4
Antoine Dufort-Plante who was traded from Rimouski to Baie-Comeau won't report to BC but BC won't release him so he can't play Junior A... Good for Ahern.
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Post by Citris on Jan 10, 2017 9:34:37 GMT -4
Jesus I can taste the salt. Why the hell should you have to release a player for them to go play Jr. A? I don't get that. He's not a professional, if he doesn't want to play, you can't force him to. That's really stupid.
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Post by aquilae on Jan 10, 2017 10:14:07 GMT -4
Jesus I can taste the salt. Why the hell should you have to release a player for them to go play Jr. A? I don't get that. He's not a professional, if he doesn't want to play, you can't force him to. That's really stupid. Then that's the QMJHL's business. Ahern has to protect his franchise. The Drakkar are in a bad way right now. The municipal government just gave them $100,000 and the mayor is pleading with locals to support the club lest they lose it. Very few things in junior hockey are more damaging to a franchise then players refusing to report - wether it's a 16-year-old phenom like MacKinnon or a 20-year-old veteran like Plante.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 10, 2017 10:24:27 GMT -4
Jesus I can taste the salt. Why the hell should you have to release a player for them to go play Jr. A? I don't get that. He's not a professional, if he doesn't want to play, you can't force him to. That's really stupid. Then that's the QMJHL's business. Ahern has to protect his franchise. The Drakkar are in a bad way right now. The municipal government just gave them $100,000 and the mayor is pleading with locals to support the club lest they lose it. Very few things in junior hockey are more damaging to a franchise then players refusing to report - wether it's a 16-year-old phenom like MacKinnon or a 20-year-old veteran like Plante. This is completely different than a 16yo not reporting. That 16yo has the option to go wherever they want. If they want to go USHL rather than Baie Comeau, they have the right to do that. Just because you get drafted by a team doesn't mean have to play there, and it doesn't mean you're a head case if you don't. QMJHL players get drafted into the USHL every season, and refuse to report there because they'd rather play in the Q. Americans get drafted into the Q every season, and refuse to play here because they'd rather play USHL/NCAA. This is a 20yo who was on a mid-pack team, that would rather play Jr. AAA than play for a bottom Q team for the last three months of his career. Ahern isn't going to get more fans because he has a vendetta against kids that choose not to play for his team. They are better off showing the world that they have the player's best interest in mind, rather than showing the world that they don't. The fact that Ahern would burn a 3rd round pick, an 8th round pick, and would rather deal a 18yo player, for essentially no compensation, screams sour grapes. People see this, and it isn't a positive for their franchise that's for sure. He's taking a stand where there's no stand to take.
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Post by Citris on Jan 10, 2017 10:27:55 GMT -4
Then that's the QMJHL's business. Ahern has to protect his franchise. The Drakkar are in a bad way right now. The municipal government just gave them $100,000 and the mayor is pleading with locals to support the club lest they lose it. Very few things in junior hockey are more damaging to a franchise then players refusing to report - wether it's a 16-year-old phenom like MacKinnon or a 20-year-old veteran like Plante. Sure, but that's not Plante's concern. The Drakkar's problems don't obligate him to report. It's in no way "good on Ahernn" to go acquire an OA to play on a 17th place team likely to miss the playoffs who's obviously not going to want to report. Notice how Moncton handled the Kennedy situation? That's how organizations that are run properly do things. If this is the way Ahern ad the Drakkar are going to act, than good riddance, Newfoundland needs a franchise anyway.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2017 10:29:14 GMT -4
I might have to purchase QMJHL Live for the playoffs. The last three rounds should be really competitive. Something like this in the second round: Saint John vs. Acadie-Bathurst Blainville-Boisbriand vs. Chicoutimi Shawinigan vs. Victoriaville Charlottetown vs. Rouyn-Noranda Jeez. Here's the best part, every year some stacked team leaves after 4 games in the first round. It seems to happen every year for what ever reason. The league is very balanced this year and it will probably happen again. Who's it going to be? Great contest for later. Every year a stacked team gets swept in round 1? Has a top 4 or 5 team ever been swept in round 1? Round 2 tends to be where bigger upsets happen I would think.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2017 10:31:41 GMT -4
I wouldn't rule out a team stacked with NHL prospects that just what to get to the next chapter. Also look at goaltending. Chicoutimi has had some pretty bad luck in the past 20 seasons. If any contending team was going to bow out in the first round, my money is on them. I know it's a new batch of players etc, but just call it another hunch. They're 10th overall. They're not on the same level as current top 5 teams yet. With a good second half they can get to 6th-7th and play a team like CB, Victo, Bathurst, or Quebec in round 1 and I think they beat all of those teams in a 1st round series.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2017 10:32:19 GMT -4
Antoine Dufort-Plante who was traded from Rimouski to Baie-Comeau won't report to BC but BC won't release him so he can't play Junior A... Good for Ahern. How is that good for anyone?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2017 10:41:44 GMT -4
Jesus I can taste the salt. Why the hell should you have to release a player for them to go play Jr. A? I don't get that. He's not a professional, if he doesn't want to play, you can't force him to. That's really stupid. Then that's the QMJHL's business. Ahern has to protect his franchise. The Drakkar are in a bad way right now. The municipal government just gave them $100,000 and the mayor is pleading with locals to support the club lest they lose it. Very few things in junior hockey are more damaging to a franchise then players refusing to report - wether it's a 16-year-old phenom like MacKinnon or a 20-year-old veteran like Plante. Create a good atmosphere and kids will want to play for you. Brad Kennedy refused to go to Moncton. Should they have not released him? I guess since they're a big market it's ok for Kennedy to not go there? Baie-Comeau has been a small market that's barely got by since day 1. It's not the fault of the kids that the adults have never been able to make it work there. They were never in a position to be anything but a bottom 5 market basically since getting their team. A veteran picking Jr A over a Q team for the second half is not at all comparable to a MacKinnon in the midget draft. It happens all the time as players who have lost the NHL dream realize that being close to home at the end of their teenage years after leaving at 15/16 trumps the 2nd half of a bad Q season. Playing hard ball with those kids is why more kids won't want to play there. So if you support more kids playing hard ball with Ahern then I guess it's a good job for Ahern in taking that stand. Trading for a kid and talking to him then making the best decision for the kid as a rebuilding Q team goes a long way in the eyes of scouts and parents. Are you sending your kid to Moncton or Baie-Comeau today if you have the chance based solely on the decisions of both teams in similar situations over the past few days? Forget the big/small market stuff, just on how organizations treated players Moncton wins hands down. It doesn't cost any money to do the right thing.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 10, 2017 10:44:07 GMT -4
Chicoutimi has had some pretty bad luck in the past 20 seasons. If any contending team was going to bow out in the first round, my money is on them. I know it's a new batch of players etc, but just call it another hunch. They're 10th overall. They're not on the same level as current top 5 teams yet. With a good second half they can get to 6th-7th and play a team like CB, Victo, Bathurst, or Quebec in round 1 and I think they beat all of those teams in a 1st round series. You're using logic. I'm using the fact that it's Chicoutimi and they seem to have had a dark cloud over their heads. Both yours and Bucky's logic makes perfect sense. You watch... Chicoutimi will make it to 6th, and play Halifax who plays their way up to 11th. Then I'll end up eating crow.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2017 10:44:32 GMT -4
Then that's the QMJHL's business. Ahern has to protect his franchise. The Drakkar are in a bad way right now. The municipal government just gave them $100,000 and the mayor is pleading with locals to support the club lest they lose it. Very few things in junior hockey are more damaging to a franchise then players refusing to report - wether it's a 16-year-old phenom like MacKinnon or a 20-year-old veteran like Plante. The fact that Ahern would burn a 3rd round pick, an 8th round pick, and would rather deal a 18yo player, for essentially no compensation, screams sour grapes. People see this, and it isn't a positive for their franchise that's for sure. He's taking a stand where there's no stand to take. And if you're a fan and watched them turn MacKinnon into great assets and playoff runs while now still being a team making moves like this while in another rebuild are you more pissed at MacKinnon or team management? Fans and the community are not to blame for the shortcomings of poor management. As fans we only get to voice our displeasure with our wallets and support. And Baie Comeau is a team giving fans very little reason to support them right now based on decisions just like this one.
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