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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 8, 2019 7:57:47 GMT -4
Yeah Carolina definitely wanted a 5 year deal loaded with signing bonuses 🙄 Pretty sure they were ecstatic to get Aho for 5 years and they just had a 6 week playoff run. They can afford the bonuses. In a couple years they’re probably gonna be paying a PPG player 2 million bucks in his prime. They were looking to sign him for 7 years, this way he is a UFA once his deal is up and they got zero UFA years, they were offering in the 6.5-7M range, if they were ecstatic to get him at 8.5, they would have had him signed already, plus the bonus structure is something they refused to do with other contracts, obviously they were not happy about that...
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Post by jimmy on Jul 8, 2019 8:05:24 GMT -4
They can afford bonuses so much he’s the only player on the roster that has them in there contract . They don’t have the money . The owner has the money . Once he gets tired of sinking money into a franchise that loses money year after year bye bye hurricanes. The owner has the money yes.... that’s.... that’s how this works.... The way it works for most teams is they break even or make a profit on their own as a business ... they don't rely on their owner pumping in tens of millions of additional capital each season to pay the bills. History has shown many rich owners who eventually tire of having to do so and eventually move on - we already saw Dundon walk away from the money pit that was his minor league football operation.
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Post by mathew34 on Jul 8, 2019 9:32:01 GMT -4
They can afford bonuses so much he’s the only player on the roster that has them in there contract . They don’t have the money . The owner has the money . Once he gets tired of sinking money into a franchise that loses money year after year bye bye hurricanes. The owner has the money yes.... that’s.... that’s how this works.... So if you owned a company you would want it to lose money year after year. Pumping your own personal funds to keep it a float?
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Post by mathew34 on Jul 8, 2019 9:33:14 GMT -4
Pretty sure they were ecstatic to get Aho for 5 years and they just had a 6 week playoff run. They can afford the bonuses. In a couple years they’re probably gonna be paying a PPG player 2 million bucks in his prime. They were looking to sign him for 7 years, this way he is a UFA once his deal is up and they got zero UFA years, they were offering in the 6.5-7M range, if they were ecstatic to get him at 8.5, they would have had him signed already, plus the bonus structure is something they refused to do with other contracts, obviously they were not happy about that... Seems like he doesn’t understand rfa contracts.
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Post by Murph on Jul 8, 2019 9:48:04 GMT -4
The owner has the money yes.... that’s.... that’s how this works.... So if you owned a company you would want it to lose money year after year. Pumping your own personal funds to keep it a float? You don’t know that’s what’s happening is my point. You don’t have access to their books. Pretty sure they turned a huge profit last season.
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Post by Murph on Jul 8, 2019 9:48:27 GMT -4
They were looking to sign him for 7 years, this way he is a UFA once his deal is up and they got zero UFA years, they were offering in the 6.5-7M range, if they were ecstatic to get him at 8.5, they would have had him signed already, plus the bonus structure is something they refused to do with other contracts, obviously they were not happy about that... Seems like he doesn’t understand rfa contracts. Seems like you want it to seem like Carolina lost out here rather than Montreal.
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Post by bois on Jul 8, 2019 9:59:10 GMT -4
History shows teams that match offer sheets usually wind up trading the player before the deal is thru
Of course we're kinda in unchartered territory here with the 21-22 year old kids..... but if Carolina doesn't want to pay Aho...... they have him on a tremendous contract and can trade him anywhere now in a year or two......
Carolina doesn't lose in any way here
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Post by jimmy on Jul 8, 2019 10:26:11 GMT -4
History shows teams that match offer sheets usually wind up trading the player before the deal is thru Of course we're kinda in unchartered territory here with the 21-22 year old kids..... but if Carolina doesn't want to pay Aho...... they have him on a tremendous contract and can trade him anywhere now in a year or two...... Carolina doesn't lose in any way here Not sure I agree ... they have to cut a very large cheque for a signing bonus in the very near future (not sure of the timing of the payment), and another one next summer. Once those two large payments are made, they basically have Aho dirt cheap for the rest of his contract - at which point his trade value would no doubt be through the roof. But the payments between now and September 2020 are going to hurt ... As for the Habs, I don't think they really lost anything from this ... didn't cost them anything ... created some hard feelings that will make it tougher to deal with the Hurricanes going forward - but that will be offset to some degree by the goodwill they likely generated with Aho's agent in particular (and likely agents in general) by being willing to issue an offer sheet and help the player get the deal he wanted.
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Post by mathew34 on Jul 8, 2019 10:34:24 GMT -4
Seems like he doesn’t understand rfa contracts. Seems like you want it to seem like Carolina lost out here rather than Montreal. Not saying that at all. You said Bergevin was Carolinas mvp of the offseason . I’m just saying that’s not true they wanted a 7 or 8 year deal they got 5. They wanted no bonuses they got 21 million in a year. The only thing he messed up on was not making it 10m a year instead of 8.5. But it’s safe to say if they matched 8.5 they would of matched 10. He’s not worth 4 firsts so 10.4 was the most he could offer.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 8, 2019 12:38:07 GMT -4
Seems like you want it to seem like Carolina lost out here rather than Montreal. Not saying that at all. You said Bergevin was Carolinas mvp of the offseason . I’m just saying that’s not true they wanted a 7 or 8 year deal they got 5. They wanted no bonuses they got 21 million in a year. The only thing he messed up on was not making it 10m a year instead of 8.5. But it’s safe to say if they matched 8.5 they would of matched 10. He’s not worth 4 firsts so 10.4 was the most he could offer. That was Hal who said Bergevin was Carolina's MVP of the off-season, it wasn't Murph.
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Post by hal on Jul 8, 2019 12:53:40 GMT -4
Panarin ? I never campaigned for him ! I am just so tired of Marc Bergevin at the helm and for the record other than Charoit, nothing else he has done is of really any great improvement . So you want a GM that is desperate to make the playoffs at all costs instead of taking the slow, steady approach of building through the draft and trying to avoid bad contracts? If you look at the last 5 UFA periods, at least 2/3 of the major contracts ended up being bad ones. One year we had big deals to Ladd, Okposo and Lucic and all 3 are horrible. The great improvement is the team is getting younger and faster. Yeah it is .........but we still have a guy calling the shots that has the nine lives of a cat ....should have been canned ..........but when you are up the Owner's Ass you get passes all the time .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 8, 2019 14:17:25 GMT -4
So you want a GM that is desperate to make the playoffs at all costs instead of taking the slow, steady approach of building through the draft and trying to avoid bad contracts? If you look at the last 5 UFA periods, at least 2/3 of the major contracts ended up being bad ones. One year we had big deals to Ladd, Okposo and Lucic and all 3 are horrible. The great improvement is the team is getting younger and faster. Yeah it is .........but we still have a guy calling the shots that has the nine lives of a cat ....should have been canned ..........but when you are up the Owner's Ass you get passes all the time . I think he dropped the ball a few years back by not being aggressive enough the year they had Markov and Radulov, plus the couple years before that. I find that since then he's done a good job of setting a new course by adding young talent and picks and building a strong foundation. I'd rather see that than patch things to try and sneak into the playoffs. Build a team that is strong and can contend for 4-5 years.
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Post by hal on Jul 8, 2019 18:33:42 GMT -4
Rumours flying about of Offer Sheets coming for Marner and Laine ....Islanders and Habs being the Teams mentioned .
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Post by dogsfan1978 on Jul 8, 2019 19:00:56 GMT -4
Rumours flying about of Offer Sheets coming for Marner and Laine ....Islanders and Habs being the Teams mentioned . I’d pass on Marner as his stats are inflated due to Tavares but I’d love to have Laine at about 8.5-9.5 mil/year not a penny more 🤣
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 9, 2019 8:20:30 GMT -4
Rumours flying about of Offer Sheets coming for Marner and Laine ....Islanders and Habs being the Teams mentioned . I’d pass on Marner as his stats are inflated due to Tavares but I’d love to have Laine at about 8.5-9.5 mil/year not a penny more 🤣 I think the best slots for offer sheets are: $6,341,153-$8,454,871: 1st, 2nd, 3rd $8,454,872-$10,568,589: 2 1sts , 2nd, 3rd Anything above 10.56M is 4 1st rounders, I don’t see any NHLer outside McDavid who is worth 4 1st rounders PLUS a hefty salary. If you’re going to pay big bucks on the open market, adding those 4 1sts is crippling you by reducing your supply of cheap young talent. Laine is a great scorer, not a great all around player, I think you COULD argue he is worth up to 8.4M plus a 1st 2nd and 3rd…if you get close to 10M PLUS two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd, it starts getting steep. Winnipeg’s situation is different than Carolina, they have strong cash flow, but they but have Laine Connor and Pionk to sign plus 4 more bodies with 22M.
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