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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 22, 2020 8:37:15 GMT -4
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Post by jimmy on Jan 22, 2020 8:45:35 GMT -4
Agreed ... great day for Canadian baseball.
Not sure what I think about the Spongebob shirt he wore for the occasion ... in any event, I am sure he is the first player to accept his Hall nomination while rocking one!
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Post by hal on Jan 22, 2020 10:40:46 GMT -4
Yep Great Day for Canadian Baseball , hopefully it is wearing an Expos Cap ....Who's that other guy that went in with him ?
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Post by scotiahockey on Jan 22, 2020 11:20:17 GMT -4
Yep Great Day for Canadian Baseball , hopefully it is wearing an Expos Cap ....Who's that other guy that went in with him ? I hope he’s wearing a Rockies cap. That’s where he had his best seasons, that’s where he became “Larry Walker” and that’s the team he should have on his cap when entering the HOF. Ultimately I don’t care either way but it feels wrong to me to have him enter with any other cap on. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Jan 22, 2020 11:29:02 GMT -4
Yep Great Day for Canadian Baseball , hopefully it is wearing an Expos Cap ....Who's that other guy that went in with him ? Jeter. He got 396 votes out of a possible 397. Some loser decided to keep him from being a unanimous decision. It doesn't really matter but it's a greasy move for someone held in high enough regard to be a voter. |
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 22, 2020 11:39:38 GMT -4
Yep Great Day for Canadian Baseball , hopefully it is wearing an Expos Cap ....Who's that other guy that went in with him ? Jeter. He got 396 votes out of a possible 397. Some loser decided to keep him from being a unanimous decision. It doesn't really matter but it's a greasy move for someone held in high enough regard to be a voter. There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Jan 22, 2020 11:59:01 GMT -4
Jeter. He got 396 votes out of a possible 397. Some loser decided to keep him from being a unanimous decision. It doesn't really matter but it's a greasy move for someone held in high enough regard to be a voter. There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. I think there’s a lot of guys that should have gotten in with 100% that don’t because some people just won’t vote for guys for personal reasons. A lot of voters also don’t even use the 10 potential votes allowed to them... so in most scenarios it isn’t a case of trying to help a guy stay on the ballot that deserves it. Maybe it was here but I doubt it, I’d be surprised if they used the full 10 and decided to leave Jeter off as a result of running out of space. |
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Post by bois on Jan 22, 2020 12:01:40 GMT -4
Jeter. He got 396 votes out of a possible 397. Some loser decided to keep him from being a unanimous decision. It doesn't really matter but it's a greasy move for someone held in high enough regard to be a voter. There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. ironically enough walker was on his last ballot.... maybe the guy voted for him instead of Jeter |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 22, 2020 12:14:28 GMT -4
Jeter. He got 396 votes out of a possible 397. Some loser decided to keep him from being a unanimous decision. It doesn't really matter but it's a greasy move for someone held in high enough regard to be a voter. There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. This stuff is why there should be transparency surrounding the voting though. What if the guy who didn't vote for Jeter voted for Brad Penney or JJ Putz instead? There should be no reason the ballot needs to be secretive. And multiple wrongs don't make a right here. Nolan Ryan should have been 100% as well. People are voting for good but not great relief pitchers but not legendary icons of the sport....clearly the process is highly flawed. My question now though...are any 2017 Houston Astros going to face the same issue Bonds and Clemens do? Cheating is cheating, after all. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 22, 2020 12:16:59 GMT -4
There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. I think there’s a lot of guys that should have gotten in with 100% that don’t because some people just won’t vote for guys for personal reasons. A lot of voters also don’t even use the 10 potential votes allowed to them... so in most scenarios it isn’t a case of trying to help a guy stay on the ballot that deserves it. Maybe it was here but I doubt it, I’d be surprised if they used the full 10 and decided to leave Jeter off as a result of running out of space. Exactly. Leaving players like Jeter off is purposely done but for no real good reason. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Jan 22, 2020 12:18:55 GMT -4
Jeter. He got 396 votes out of a possible 397. Some loser decided to keep him from being a unanimous decision. It doesn't really matter but it's a greasy move for someone held in high enough regard to be a voter. There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. I suppose that is possible. there were 2623 total votes cast by 397. So an the average voter ticked 6.6 boxes. You are right that Jeter doesn't lose anything but it looks really dumb for 1 of these appointed voters to make the statement "Derek Jeter isn't a 1st ballot hall of famer". It just isn't right. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 22, 2020 12:20:42 GMT -4
There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. ironically enough walker was on his last ballot.... maybe the guy voted for him instead of Jeter Also interesting is that in the ballots released...Walker was around 82% I think meaning those who didn't release their votes voted for him in lesser numbers...I just don't get the fear in a transparent voting process. If you've earned the right to have a say in the process you should have enough of an open mind to be able to hear criticism around your opinion about your ballot. There's too much personal agenda at play with it and not enough "is this one of the best players ever in the sport?" talk. I'd care way less about Jeter not getting 100% if I could at least hear the logic from the 1 guy who didn't vote for him. Rivera got the 100% and to me he and Jeter were comparable as icons on those Yankee teams so this one I just don't get. I think it's a personal beef that shouldn't come into play in the process. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 22, 2020 12:22:08 GMT -4
There are two sides to that issue. Jeter was getting in on his first chance no matter what this one writer did. The whole HOF system requires that people get enough votes to stay on the ballot for next year if they are still eligible time wise. There is probably somebody that is getting close to falling off the ballot that this guy voted for, because he feels he also deserves to be in the HOF. There is no award for being 100% for the first time ballot so its not like Jeter was robbed of anything. Look at the other great names that weren't 100%. Nolan Ryan was not 100%. Jeter was not robbed of anything. I suppose that is possible. there were 2623 total votes cast by 397. So an the average voter ticked 6.6 boxes. You are right that Jeter doesn't lose anything but it looks really dumb for 1 of these appointed voters to make the statement "Derek Jeter isn't a 1st ballot hall of famer". It just isn't right. Exactly. Who in their right mind can not only follow but report on the sport for 25-30 years and not see Derek Jeter as a Hall of Fame player? But potentially seen Scott Rolen, Adam Dunn, JJ Putz, Brad Penney or other "good but not necessarily great over a prolonged period" guys that are always on the bubble. |
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Post by bois on Jan 22, 2020 12:31:26 GMT -4
You know what cures all that? Get rid of the voting process altogether..... get rid of the 10 years on a ballot..... you retire and after whatever period of time they deem you need to be retired a committee on the hall of fame decides you're either a hall of famer or you're not
in fairness Walker is not more a hall of famer now than he should have been 10 years ago
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 22, 2020 12:41:16 GMT -4
You know what cures all that? Get rid of the voting process altogether..... get rid of the 10 years on a ballot..... you retire and after whatever period of time they deem you need to be retired a committee on the hall of fame decides you're either a hall of famer or you're not in fairness Walker is not more a hall of famer now than he should have been 10 years ago Agreed. That would be better then this process. But I think most of the talk is over blown anyway and would rather let deserving players in rather then shut out those on the edge to try and uphold some standard that can't exist when players like Rose, Clemens, and Bonds are not in for various reasons. I view the hockey hall very similarly. I think Paul Henderson is a hall of famer. Is he a "borderline" guy on stats alone? Yes. But he also was responsible for one of the biggest moments in the sport and has been celebrated by an entire country for 50 years. When you have people looking back in say 500 years....dont you want the Paul Hendersons remembered? I think we need a place for moments and teams to be recognized and not just the players who if sorted in a spreadsheet all end up in the top rankings for their position. |
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