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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 21:12:34 GMT -4
Some pretty crazy stuff happening after the death of a black male in Minneapolis after a police officer knelt his knee on the mans throat blocking his airway, riots and talks about racism being talked about all around the world.
The Officer was charged with third degree murder and manslaughter and put on $500,000 bail
Care to discuss? Been quite a few racism stories over the years, even some in the hockey world.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 22:26:22 GMT -4
Some pretty crazy stuff happening after the death of a black male in Minneapolis after a police officer knelt his knee on the mans throat blocking his airway, riots and talks about racism being talked about all around the world. The Officer was charged with third degree murder and manslaughter and put on $500,000 bail Care to discuss? Been quite a few racism stories over the years, even some in the hockey world. No need of what's going on - looting, vandalism, and so on. People are acting like they just won the Stanley Cup - F-F-S. On a serious note - there's only one way that this is going to end. A lot of people are going to get seriously hurt - and a few probably killed. The worst part of all is the bravery being shown by a select few people intent on looting late into the night. Most of them are wearing masks and it will be almost impossible to identify them later on using camera footage. For the true protesters there trying to effect change - I'm 100 percent behind them.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 30, 2020 23:14:37 GMT -4
Some pretty crazy stuff happening after the death of a black male in Minneapolis after a police officer knelt his knee on the mans throat blocking his airway, riots and talks about racism being talked about all around the world. The Officer was charged with third degree murder and manslaughter and put on $500,000 bail Care to discuss? Been quite a few racism stories over the years, even some in the hockey world. There is racism is every country on the planet, but in the US it's quite palpable. When you have multiple white officers killing unarmed blacks for no good reason the last few years, it creates a tinder box waiting to explode. Having Trump throwing kerosene on it makes it worse. Trump has emboldened racists the last 5 years with his rhetoric and the GOP has just sat silently. It all started in large part because Minneapolis took 5 or 6 days to charge the officer who had his knee on Floyd's neck. I think had they acted quickly, this would have been largely diffused. One thing the police needs to understand is, when these types of racists are among them, it paints them all with the same brush.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 30, 2020 23:16:01 GMT -4
Some pretty crazy stuff happening after the death of a black male in Minneapolis after a police officer knelt his knee on the mans throat blocking his airway, riots and talks about racism being talked about all around the world. The Officer was charged with third degree murder and manslaughter and put on $500,000 bail Care to discuss? Been quite a few racism stories over the years, even some in the hockey world. No need of what's going on - looting, vandalism, and so on. People are acting like they just won the Stanley Cup - F-F-S. On a serious note - there's only one way that this is going to end. A lot of people are going to get seriously hurt - and a few probably killed. The worst part of all is the bravery being shown by a select few people intent on looting late into the night. Most of them are wearing masks and it will be almost impossible to identify them later on using camera footage. For the true protesters there trying to effect change - I'm 100 percent behind them. In an ideal world you want peaceful protests but it only takes a few hoodlums to take advantage of large crowds to loot and destroy. In some cases they were from out of state.
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Post by lirette on May 31, 2020 1:22:20 GMT -4
The videos circulating of police abuse across the country during these events is incredibly disturbing. Journalists have been arrested and abused, not been told why they are arrested, not read their rights. There are very little checks or balances left on this president besides journalists.
I also cannot understand how the other 3 officers have not been arrested. There is growing concern Chauvin will end up pleaing to a slap in the wrist or will get off on this wording in the autopsy report at trial.
These 4 officers are responsible for what happened to Floyd. But these protests are built on of a lot more.
The only positive I've seen so far is the few stories of police officers joining in on protests (New Jersey for example).
Don't worry, the president is entirely absent but he got a great photo op at spaceX.
Let's not forget that when NFL players tried protesting peacefully by simply going down on 1 knee they were called "Sons of bitches"
Also that 3 years ago Trump joked in an address to police that he'd like to see them rough up people during arrests more.
Or how about when Trump called for the death penalty for the central park 5 in the 90s and then doubled down on that in 2019?
Is America great yet?
Theres always a tweet
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Post by yoyomamajoe on May 31, 2020 7:13:58 GMT -4
I am appalled what happened to George Floyd and understand the frustration of the people, but a lot of the rioting and looting is being orchestrated by people from 'out of town'. It only takes a few agitators to get a crowd going and there are a lot of examples of that. Antifa is very well trained and organised in these situations. It's time to label Antifa as a terrorist organisation.
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Post by Citris on May 31, 2020 11:31:19 GMT -4
I am appalled what happened to George Floyd and understand the frustration of the people, but a lot of the rioting and looting is being orchestrated by people from 'out of town'. It only takes a few agitators to get a crowd going and there are a lot of examples of that. Antifa is very well trained and organised in these situations. It's time to label Antifa as a terrorist organisation. Antifa is not an organization. There's no membership card, no leadership. It's just being anti-facsist. Stop consuming weird fashy propaganda. If you want rioting to stop, you have to address the root cause of the issue, which is a fundamentally unjust system in which black men can be lynched in broad daylight on video and their murders don't feel like they'll face any consequences, because oftentimes they don't. Hey, remember when Colin Kaepernick took a knee and all the same people complaining about the riots lost their minds? Remember what he was protesting about? We've been talking about these same issues for years, but nothing is ever done about it. You can't get more peaceful in a protest than taking a knee. How much more peaceful do you want? The problem is people like you will ALWAYS, always find a way to deflect from what the problem actually is. That's why there's rioting. Because riots are the language of the unheard. Actually address the systemic issues that cause these frustrations and this level of desperation.
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Post by Citris on May 31, 2020 12:20:10 GMT -4
Just to clarify because I don't want to get into a big political argument on these boards because twitter is depressing enough - I'm not saying the Rioting is good. But it pisses me off when people use major events to push weird, fringe conspiracy theories like the "Antifa are the real fascists", which is propped up and perpetuated by people like Andy Ngo, who hangs out with far-right hate groups and collaborates with them on how to drum up more footage for his propaganda. More info on that here. Most of the people who spread this "Antifa are terrorists" nonsense end up citing Ngo, so that's why I bring him up. The man is a grifter (who pretended to have a brain hemorrhage after being hit with a milkshake to generate sympathy for himself, even though he appeared on live TV interviews less than 24 hours later). He has zero credibility. Keep your talking points focused on what's actually going on and don't use this event to push bad politics. A man was lynched on video and it took his murderer a week to be charged. That's the problem. That's what needs to be addressed. If the officers involved were charged immediately, these riots don't happen.
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Post by yoyomamajoe on May 31, 2020 14:31:41 GMT -4
I am appalled what happened to George Floyd and understand the frustration of the people, but a lot of the rioting and looting is being orchestrated by people from 'out of town'. It only takes a few agitators to get a crowd going and there are a lot of examples of that. Antifa is very well trained and organised in these situations. It's time to label Antifa as a terrorist organisation. Antifa is not an organization. There's no membership card, no leadership. It's just being anti-facsist. Stop consuming weird fashy propaganda. If you want rioting to stop, you have to address the root cause of the issue, which is a fundamentally unjust system in which black men can be lynched in broad daylight on video and their murders don't feel like they'll face any consequences, because oftentimes they don't. Hey, remember when Colin Kaepernick took a knee and all the same people complaining about the riots lost their minds? Remember what he was protesting about? We've been talking about these same issues for years, but nothing is ever done about it. You can't get more peaceful in a protest than taking a knee. How much more peaceful do you want? The problem is people like you will ALWAYS, always find a way to deflect from what the problem actually is. That's why there's rioting. Because riots are the language of the unheard. Actually address the systemic issues that cause these frustrations and this level of desperation. I agree with almost everything you said, but if you think that Antifa is just an un-organised group of like-minded people that want to change the world for the better you better do some more research. They are highly organised, trained and funded. And the thing they say they are against they embrace the most. Violence to impose your beliefs. Same flag, same uniforms, same beliefs. When there is trouble, Antifa is there to fuel it on. Doesn't matter if it is left or right, white or black, as long as they can upheave society.
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Post by Citris on May 31, 2020 15:15:12 GMT -4
I agree with almost everything you said, but if you think that Antifa is just an un-organised group of like-minded people that want to change the world for the better you better do some more research. They are highly organised, trained and funded. And the thing they say they are against they embrace the most. Violence to impose your beliefs. Same flag, same uniforms, same beliefs. When there is trouble, Antifa is there to fuel it on. Doesn't matter if it is left or right, white or black, as long as they can upheave society. I'm aware of the """research""" This is the same line the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers use. "Do your own research". Anyway I don't want to derail this more - but keep this in mind - most people who identify as antifa are also communists. Why would any billionaire fund a group that fundamentally thinks billionaires shouldn't exist?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2020 7:38:11 GMT -4
I am appalled what happened to George Floyd and understand the frustration of the people, but a lot of the rioting and looting is being orchestrated by people from 'out of town'. It only takes a few agitators to get a crowd going and there are a lot of examples of that. Antifa is very well trained and organised in these situations. It's time to label Antifa as a terrorist organisation. Antifa is not an organization. There's no membership card, no leadership. It's just being anti-facsist. Stop consuming weird fashy propaganda. If you want rioting to stop, you have to address the root cause of the issue, which is a fundamentally unjust system in which black men can be lynched in broad daylight on video and their murders don't feel like they'll face any consequences, because oftentimes they don't. Hey, remember when Colin Kaepernick took a knee and all the same people complaining about the riots lost their minds? Remember what he was protesting about? We've been talking about these same issues for years, but nothing is ever done about it. You can't get more peaceful in a protest than taking a knee. How much more peaceful do you want? The problem is people like you will ALWAYS, always find a way to deflect from what the problem actually is. That's why there's rioting. Because riots are the language of the unheard. Actually address the systemic issues that cause these frustrations and this level of desperation. Exactly, if peaceful protests worked in getting the necessary changes, George Floyd and others would still be alive today. There needs to be system changes to how police officers are hired, trained and evaluated. If you are a white supremacist, that should not be a job for you. What makes things worse is Trump inflaming things with his tweets thinking a race war would help his reelection.
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Post by lirette on Jun 3, 2020 10:09:58 GMT -4
I agree with almost everything you said, but if you think that Antifa is just an un-organised group of like-minded people that want to change the world for the better you better do some more research. They are highly organised, trained and funded. And the thing they say they are against they embrace the most. Violence to impose your beliefs. Same flag, same uniforms, same beliefs. When there is trouble, Antifa is there to fuel it on. Doesn't matter if it is left or right, white or black, as long as they can upheave society. I'm aware of the """research""" This is the same line the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers use. "Do your own research". Anyway I don't want to derail this more - but keep this in mind - most people who identify as antifa are also communists. Why would any billionaire fund a group that fundamentally thinks billionaires shouldn't exist? Oh Cmon man, just google search "Who funds antifa" and you'll get a link to a youtube video with with fringe figure Sebastien Gorka breaking it all down. Its all true man, #wakeupsheeple Interestingly enough so far all we've seen is evidence of a white supremacist group organizing violence posing as antifa. Just another distraction boogeyman The Floyd protests are slowly getting more support, less violence and more organization. The looters and agitators incidents are still there but in much smaller numbers. Police using tear gas like its candy also isnt exactly helping either.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2020 10:13:54 GMT -4
I'm aware of the """research""" This is the same line the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers use. "Do your own research". Anyway I don't want to derail this more - but keep this in mind - most people who identify as antifa are also communists. Why would any billionaire fund a group that fundamentally thinks billionaires shouldn't exist? Oh Cmon man, just google search "Who funds antifa" and you'll get a link to a youtube video with with fringe figure Sebastien Gorka breaking it all down. Its all true man, #wakeupsheeple Interestingly enough so far all we've seen is evidence of a white supremacist group organizing violence posing as antifa. Just another distraction boogeyman The Floyd protests are slowly getting more support, less violence and more organization. The looters and agitators incidents are still there but in much smaller numbers. Police using tear gas like its candy also isnt exactly helping either. The interesting part is, these protests have gone worldwide. Unfortunately on a few occasions we have seen organised looters and a few hoodlums looting to try and take away from the message.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 13:34:05 GMT -4
Just read on another board that Cam Russell has been arrested for looting.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jun 3, 2020 14:56:11 GMT -4
"Unfortunately on a few occasions we have seen organised looters and a few hoodlums looting to try and take away from the message." ----
In the late 70s I remember a blackout in NYC. I was just a kid but on TV that's all you saw. Burning fires, reports of looters breaking into all the stores, and curfews because there was just an element that uses that as an excuse to grab and run with colour TVs, watches and designer clothes.
45 years later - I know some have ramped up the organized part (coming with pallets of bricks and uhauls) but there will always be opportunists. They use the crowds as a way to take advantage. Those elements are there everyday waiting for an excuse to loot property. Those individuals dont give a crap about about George Floyd.
So I wish people would keep perspective. Take a step back from saying these people are showing their frustration in different ways and looting and fires are their way. People who say that legitimize the looters as if they are victims. They arent. George Floyd is a victim. And there is a list of victims. But the looters are not victims. They are opportunists.
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