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Post by scotiahockey on Apr 27, 2022 15:15:51 GMT -4
I mean they still need a goalie. Smith is on a heater and they’re winning, no doubt about that but Edmonton still needs a goalie. This. I don't think they win with Smith as the #1. The new coach has them buying into more of a team game then they have played over the last few years and thats had a big effect on Smith. But ultimately I think their playoff downfall will still be not having an elite #1. But I think many teams might think that this season...maybe its just me but I feel like goaltending as a whole is pretty weak lately league wide but I guess with this being the highest scoring season in a long time thats to be expected. I look at the teams and there’s only 5 where I think that I’m not worried about their #1 or the perceived #1 at this point. The large majority have question marks around them and that’s just the way the league is.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 27, 2022 16:27:39 GMT -4
This. I don't think they win with Smith as the #1. The new coach has them buying into more of a team game then they have played over the last few years and thats had a big effect on Smith. But ultimately I think their playoff downfall will still be not having an elite #1. But I think many teams might think that this season...maybe its just me but I feel like goaltending as a whole is pretty weak lately league wide but I guess with this being the highest scoring season in a long time thats to be expected. I look at the teams and there’s only 5 where I think that I’m not worried about their #1 or the perceived #1 at this point. The large majority have question marks around them and that’s just the way the league is. Usually unless a B grade guy gets super hot like Binnington one year, they don't usually win, it usually catches up to them. TB has a powerful team plus arguable the top goalie in the NHL.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 27, 2022 16:48:28 GMT -4
This may be the year that we see more teams trying to outscore their own goaltending.
Think back to last year's 1st round series Florida vs Tampa. That was wild. Wide open 8-6 games and come from behind wins. And TB didn't need to play that way but did that series and prevailed. It was the series that tested them the most.
If you are a team that has gift of scoring maybe you want to open it up. Or else you play into the other teams wheel house.
If the games become all about playoff D then some teams I don't think are such favorites as they were all season. The way to shield your own suspect goaltending might be to not let the other guys settle into the traditional D patterns which they need a lead to perfect.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 27, 2022 17:47:25 GMT -4
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Post by bois on Apr 28, 2022 7:50:10 GMT -4
I mean i'm just pointing out that when Edmonton was struggling the overall sentiment was they had no goaltending..... also they had no defense.... i said all along the defense is much better than given credit for and while an ancient and injury prone Smith is a risk to hitch your wagon too... he is a good goaltender and always has been.
His overall numbers this year are totally fine.. the undisputed top goalie in the league has a save percentage of .02 higher than Smith behind a much better overall team
anyways..... recency biases always come into play
now if they have to turn to Koskinen at any point they are fucked i agree
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 28, 2022 9:45:10 GMT -4
I mean i'm just pointing out that when Edmonton was struggling the overall sentiment was they had no goaltending..... also they had no defense.... i said all along the defense is much better than given credit for and while an ancient and injury prone Smith is a risk to hitch your wagon too... he is a good goaltender and always has been. His overall numbers this year are totally fine.. the undisputed top goalie in the league has a save percentage of .02 higher than Smith behind a much better overall team anyways..... recency biases always come into play now if they have to turn to Koskinen at any point they are fucked i agree Their defense is good enough to sneak into the playoffs with a big offense and a goalie with a high save%, don't think they are close to cup contender level. Smith is good in small doses but he can't handle 50-60 games a year. I think the grain of playoffs could be an issue as well.
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Post by bois on Apr 28, 2022 9:47:00 GMT -4
I mean i'm just pointing out that when Edmonton was struggling the overall sentiment was they had no goaltending..... also they had no defense.... i said all along the defense is much better than given credit for and while an ancient and injury prone Smith is a risk to hitch your wagon too... he is a good goaltender and always has been. His overall numbers this year are totally fine.. the undisputed top goalie in the league has a save percentage of .02 higher than Smith behind a much better overall team anyways..... recency biases always come into play now if they have to turn to Koskinen at any point they are fucked i agree Their defense is good enough to sneak into the playoffs with a big offense and a goalie with a high save%, don't think they are close to cup contender level. Smith is good in small doses but he can't handle 50-60 games a year. I think the grain of playoffs could be an issue as well. anybody that makes the playoffs can contend for a cup are they favorites no but they absolutely could do some damage
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 28, 2022 9:49:23 GMT -4
Their defense is good enough to sneak into the playoffs with a big offense and a goalie with a high save%, don't think they are close to cup contender level. Smith is good in small doses but he can't handle 50-60 games a year. I think the grain of playoffs could be an issue as well. anybody that makes the playoffs can contend for a cup are they favorites no but they absolutely could do some damage They are not built for 2 months of playoff grind, the depth just isn't there, they rely too much on Mcdavid Drasaitl Nurse and Smith. If one or 2 get banged up, and a lot of players get banged up at playoff time, it will do them in.
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Post by hal on May 3, 2022 7:37:00 GMT -4
How in the Hell does that Kevin Chevaldayoff keep his Job in Winnipeg ? Team Leadership and Coaching is gonna be overhauled ? This Guy has had his shot he's been there since it's move back from Atlanta .........Time for a Complete Overhaul out there . Think Paul Maurice knew something ?.....hmmm .
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 3, 2022 8:34:02 GMT -4
How in the Hell does that Kevin Chevaldayoff keep his Job in Winnipeg ? Team Leadership and Coaching is gonna be overhauled ? This Guy has had his shot he's been there since it's move back from Atlanta .........Time for a Complete Overhaul out there . Think Paul Maurice knew something ?.....hmmm . Yeah that's very weird. Wpg 5-6 years ago had a strong team plus a great group of prospects, Cheveldayoff was too patient and didn't really get a playoff run out of it, now a lot of pieces are gone(Trouba Laine Byfuglien etc) or aging(Wheeler Stastny). KS has not shown he can make the moves to surround a strong group and help them get to the next level. It's too bad because the west is ripe for the taking, you don't have 4-5 powerhouses like the East.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 3, 2022 8:54:03 GMT -4
How in the Hell does that Kevin Chevaldayoff keep his Job in Winnipeg ? Team Leadership and Coaching is gonna be overhauled ? This Guy has had his shot he's been there since it's move back from Atlanta .........Time for a Complete Overhaul out there . Think Paul Maurice knew something ?.....hmmm . Yeah that's very weird. Wpg 5-6 years ago had a strong team plus a great group of prospects, Cheveldayoff was too patient and didn't really get a playoff run out of it, now a lot of pieces are gone(Trouba Laine Byfuglien etc) or aging(Wheeler Stastny). KS has not shown he can make the moves to surround a strong group and help them get to the next level. It's too bad because the west is ripe for the taking, you don't have 4-5 powerhouses like the East. They got 1 playoff run out of that core in 2018 they went to the final 4 and lost to Vegas. I always felt they were content to end up in no mans land once that D core they assembled started breaking up and Byfuglien, Myers, and Trouba all left. They had to decide to go all in to try and win or enter rebuild mode and they decided to do neither and see where it goes and now here they are in limbo not knowing what to do. Now is the time for a fresh vision from the top on down I think. Let a new guy with a clear direction take over.
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Post by bois on May 3, 2022 9:32:33 GMT -4
not a terribly attractive market to work with.... just saying
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Post by Reesor on May 3, 2022 9:52:42 GMT -4
This is pretty disgusting. What was the end game there?
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Post by hal on May 3, 2022 16:07:19 GMT -4
not a terribly attractive market to work with.... just saying It's still The NHL , so lots of guys would want the Job . Bois ......Much like Bergevin should have been gone 2-3 years ago...... Chevaldayoff should be gone . Jets Fans have got to be thinking that the Problem is from the Top . They have had some Teams that were arguably Top 3 Talent wise a few years back that he assembled but now average at best seems to be the norm .
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Post by bois on May 4, 2022 8:37:32 GMT -4
not a terribly attractive market to work with.... just saying It's still The NHL , so lots of guys would want the Job . Bois ......Much like Bergevin should have been gone 2-3 years ago...... Chevaldayoff should be gone . Jets Fans have got to be thinking that the Problem is from the Top . They have had some Teams that were arguably Top 3 Talent wise a few years back that he assembled but now average at best seems to be the norm . I can't really say Cheveldayoff has done a bad job..... the Jets have actually drafted very well ...... they are a smallish market team in a cold cold city climate...... not ideal for attracting free agents and or anybody with no trade protection
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