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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 29, 2021 15:08:32 GMT -4
When the house is on fire nobody pauses to decide what to make for dinner. They deal with the burden at hand. There are a few stakeholders in this. They need to be on same page. Not like it's the provinces job. It's on the IIHF to get that together. Not really fair to expect them to pull out a plan B in 7 days. May need to talk to IIHF member countries about that and get agreement. I certainly agree that it isn't the provinces responsibility to have contingency plans in place to host the tournament. But the tournament was already postponed once. I'd like to know why it couldn't just be postponed again. I know how the province sees the situation. My analytical self is trying to see this from the players' point of view as well. To them it must be strange that the World Jrs went on without a hitch in Alberta, a province that had 1000+ cases a day before the tournament started. Then when Nova Scotia hits 30+ cases a day (at the time of cancellation), their tournament gets straight-up cancelled. They already had the tournament cancelled last year, and they don't have another major tournament until the Olympics next year. I'd be pissed if I were them. But at the situation, and not the province who is looking out for the best interest of its people, and ultimately the best interest of the players, coaches and officials that would need to travel to get here. Emotions running high for sure, made evident by Cassie Campbell's statement. What they should be pissed at is the hundreds of hockey rinks around North American that can host them but zero plan to get the tournament played right now even though clearly the teams are ready and were about to go to Halifax. How can't the IIHF with the powers like Hockey Canada and USA Hockey use their network to find some empty hotels in cities with zero tourists and a couple of hockey rinks? Maybe I am naive but is right now not the perfect time to make a last minute move like that successfully? The regulations in the US will be much less stricter then what Halifax was asking for. The other stuff is just all politics. Which sucks for all. But there's little doubt that Nova Scotia seems to be handling the entire thing better then Alberta has.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 29, 2021 15:10:33 GMT -4
www.halifaxtoday.ca/local-news/hnic-broadcaster-calls-for-apology-over-womens-worlds-cancellation-3675674It looks like her beef is that it was cancelled and not postponed. I guess that is legitimate question that should be asked of the premier. If the IIHF is looking for another home in the summer for the tournament, why wasn't it just postponed and planned for Halifax in the summer? Possible explanations would be that the province couldn't guarantee the tournament to be run, and they didn't want to hold it up anymore. Or the IIHF said the tournament couldn't be postponed again, and gave the province an ultimatum. I doubt the government put that much thought into it. They were stopping the tournament. Cancelling vs delaying wasnt how they were approaching it. They may have not even known moving it to a later date was an option. There seemed to be very little communication between the parties involved outside of the stuff surrounding the tournament public health wise. I feel like if given the option they happily would have re-scheduled it 6 months down the road in the Fall when they project to have everyone vaccinated. I did some digging on the original postponement. It was done by the IIHF, and not the province. www.sportsnet.ca/women-hockey/article/2021-womens-world-hockey-championship-postponed-may/I thought the province had a say in the original decision to postpone the tournament. The IIHF postponed it because the province hadn't made a decision yet. Ironically if they had kept the original dates, the tournament probably gets played. Article below on why there was no plan B for this cancellation. www.sportsnet.ca/women-hockey/article/iihf-defends-lack-plan-b-cancelled-womens-world-hockey-championship/
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 29, 2021 15:12:59 GMT -4
The fact Cassie is so against it basically tells me they did the right thing. So many great womans hockey analysts out there yet its the worst one of all jammed down our throats on national broadcasts. Rankin would have owed 1 million Nova Scotians an apology if he allowed a charter full of international people into the area of the province he locked down first. It's not like he took joy in cancelling it. Either way he was making an impossible decision. For irony within irony the Tor-Mon broadcast of men's hockey was 2 hours and 45 minutes (give or take) And only 1 minute was allotted for womens hockey. Cassies garbage take. Where she tagged the premier as inexperienced and new. Maybe Cassie should be ranting on her employers more when lamenting that womens hockey always gets 2nd place. In a year where the NHL and every sports analysts had to weigh in on racial diversity in sports,then SN and Rogers is a big reason for or not for these causes being in public view. They pick their positions by public mood. They were ok broadcasting games in a pandemic. Ok with Canucks speedy recovery. And still not much air time for womens hockey if it really mattered to them. I dare her to patronize SN and Roger's as she did Premier Rankin. Ontario needs field hospitals and have asked other provinces for health care workers. But flying teams in from Quebec, Alberta, BC and Manitoba to play hockey there is no issue to people like Cassie. Interesting how she's so irate about the situation preventing the women from playing in a covid hot spot which helped trigger a province wide lockdown but not the one putting the mens NHL regular season above the best public health interests of a province which is a covid disaster at the moment.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 29, 2021 15:17:12 GMT -4
I doubt the government put that much thought into it. They were stopping the tournament. Cancelling vs delaying wasnt how they were approaching it. They may have not even known moving it to a later date was an option. There seemed to be very little communication between the parties involved outside of the stuff surrounding the tournament public health wise. I feel like if given the option they happily would have re-scheduled it 6 months down the road in the Fall when they project to have everyone vaccinated. I did some digging on the original postponement. It was done by the IIHF, and not the province. www.sportsnet.ca/women-hockey/article/2021-womens-world-hockey-championship-postponed-may/I thought the province had a say in the original decision to postpone the tournament. The IIHF postponed it because the province hadn't made a decision yet. Ironically if they had kept the original dates, the tournament probably gets played. Article below on why there was no plan B for this cancellation. www.sportsnet.ca/women-hockey/article/iihf-defends-lack-plan-b-cancelled-womens-world-hockey-championship/I understand why when the province cancelled the IIHF had no other plan. I don't understand that why within 48 hours there wasn't another plan to play the games. The teams were ready. There is definitely places with hotels and rinks who would love the revenue. The money is there. The NHL is wrapping up meaning half the rinks in use are about to go dark. Why not send them all to Ottawa or Vancouver to play in those cities once the NHL ends which lines up perfectly with them doing a quarantine. And thats where I think if it was the mens the money would have been thrown at it to do all I am saying should have happened now for the women.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 29, 2021 15:30:06 GMT -4
I understand why when the province cancelled the IIHF had no other plan. I don't understand that why within 48 hours there wasn't another plan to play the games. The teams were ready. There is definitely places with hotels and rinks who would love the revenue. The money is there. The NHL is wrapping up meaning half the rinks in use are about to go dark. Why not send them all to Ottawa or Vancouver to play in those cities once the NHL ends which lines up perfectly with them doing a quarantine. And thats where I think if it was the mens the money would have been thrown at it to do all I am saying should have happened now for the women. No argument here on equal treatment. If the IIHF is raking in money from other tournaments, they should be investing that money into the women's game. They should do whatever is necessary to get this tournament played in a safe setting, this summer.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 29, 2021 16:23:23 GMT -4
I understand why when the province cancelled the IIHF had no other plan. I don't understand that why within 48 hours there wasn't another plan to play the games. The teams were ready. There is definitely places with hotels and rinks who would love the revenue. The money is there. The NHL is wrapping up meaning half the rinks in use are about to go dark. Why not send them all to Ottawa or Vancouver to play in those cities once the NHL ends which lines up perfectly with them doing a quarantine. And thats where I think if it was the mens the money would have been thrown at it to do all I am saying should have happened now for the women. Money talks - always has, always will. If there was money to be paid off of this event, someone (IIHF, Hockey Canada, TV networks, other cities) would have jumped up to try and find a way to pull it off. Reality is, as much as the players (and former players like Cassie Campbell) don't like it, this event probably doesn't make much if any money in a normal year with fans - played in empty buildings, it probably loses substantial amounts. They tried, it fell apart at the 11th hour, now they need to regroup. I am sure the men's U18s would be in the same boat - if for some reason that host would have had to pull out due to an uptick in cases, then it would likely be cancelled as well. World juniors is the cash cow that keeps Hockey Canada, IIHF, TSN profitable - they were always going to move heaven and earth to pull it off. To try and compare the women's worlds to the world juniors is nonsense - the comparison begins and ends with the fact that both are international hockey tournaments. One is a money making machine, the other gets played in empty buildings and little or no media coverage.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 29, 2021 18:23:42 GMT -4
For irony within irony the Tor-Mon broadcast of men's hockey was 2 hours and 45 minutes (give or take) And only 1 minute was allotted for womens hockey. Cassies garbage take. Where she tagged the premier as inexperienced and new. Maybe Cassie should be ranting on her employers more when lamenting that womens hockey always gets 2nd place. In a year where the NHL and every sports analysts had to weigh in on racial diversity in sports,then SN and Rogers is a big reason for or not for these causes being in public view. They pick their positions by public mood. They were ok broadcasting games in a pandemic. Ok with Canucks speedy recovery. And still not much air time for womens hockey if it really mattered to them. I dare her to patronize SN and Roger's as she did Premier Rankin. Ontario needs field hospitals and have asked other provinces for health care workers. But flying teams in from Quebec, Alberta, BC and Manitoba to play hockey there is no issue to people like Cassie. Interesting how she's so irate about the situation preventing the women from playing in a covid hot spot which helped trigger a province wide lockdown but not the one putting the mens NHL regular season above the best public health interests of a province which is a covid disaster at the moment. Maybe it's because at 2043 deaths so far people in Alberta have grown used to it - sad that I have to say this but Alberta gets 60 deaths the other day and they just accept it as nothing they can do about it. They see that as something that will happen anyway. We see it as avoidable and the people of NS are willing to do our part to prevent even in death.
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Post by hal on May 1, 2021 19:52:54 GMT -4
HNIC just reported that Charlottetown wants to host the Women's World Championship in June ,
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Post by hal on May 1, 2021 19:55:17 GMT -4
Those poor pricks don't have their info straight .... Rene Fassel said NS has 27 Cases and Ron the Backstabber said ..........I believe they have 90 now .....90 ? ....that's long since gone .
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Post by Reesor on May 1, 2021 20:52:24 GMT -4
Either Nova Scotia recovers quickly and the naysayers will say "See why didn't they just host?". Or there will be a big blowup in cases, hospitalizations and deaths, and the naysayers will slither back into their holes and never speak of it again. The former is wanted for sure. Some things are more important than people's biased opinions.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 2, 2021 7:26:40 GMT -4
They (Campbell, Marek, McLean) will never own their error.
People used to oppose bubble tournaments. Was a debate before NHL did it. But now Alberta is bubble capital of the world. Even with infection rates rivaling India right now.
In calm waters it works but is riskier at times of heightened alert.
It's not only about a covid outbreak in the bubble. But we are responsible for the protection of everyone in that bubble.
Player gets a serious injury in game and needs to be carried off on a gurney which hospital does she go? Which staff does she take? We are responsible and u see how that can ho bad as ICU resources fill up and take hospital staff.
An outbreak of food poisoning among a team? A fire at a hotel? Security issue outside a bubble? These are not really accounted for in the protocol.
NS was not prepared to take that risk. Thats the story the SN and HNIC opinion leaders are not communicating. They arent researching facts and its a great story the rest of Canada may be interested in.
And one more thing. People are against having a bubble here. People were squawking disapproval when we had 2 cases. Ultra cautious in these parts but we get lectured by western Canada? I took offense to that. It's amazing how regardless of politics most Nova Scotians have rallied around the "new" & "inexperienced" premier.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 9, 2021 12:40:47 GMT -4
Ovechkin investing in women's soccer team.
In a day when many think womens sport plays second fiddle to men's sport in most competitions and the big leagues are challenged for not supporting or barely paying lip service what it takes are individuals with resources to step up.
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