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Post by Score on Jul 15, 2022 16:49:48 GMT -4
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Post by JEagle on Jul 15, 2022 17:09:51 GMT -4
Guess the question now is at what point of the off-season does Dubas trade one or two of Holl,Muzzin or Kerfoot.
Cause Engvall and Sandin still require contracts and the Leafs only have $757k left in cap space according to Capfriendly.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 15, 2022 17:15:47 GMT -4
Guess the question now is at what point of the off-season does Dubas trade one or two of Holl,Muzzin or Kerfoot. Cause Engvall and Sandin still require contracts and the Leafs only have $757k left in cap space according to Capfriendly. What would you guys project for those guys, about 1.5-2M each? so they would need to shed a 3M player or two totalling 3.8M.
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Post by JEagle on Jul 15, 2022 17:43:20 GMT -4
Guess the question now is at what point of the off-season does Dubas trade one or two of Holl,Muzzin or Kerfoot. Cause Engvall and Sandin still require contracts and the Leafs only have $757k left in cap space according to Capfriendly. What would you guys project for those guys, about 1.5-2M each? so they would need to shed a 3M player or two totalling 3.8M. I wish, Engvall had a cap hit of $1.25 million last season and is arbitration eligible while coming off a career year for himself with 15 goals and 20 assists in 78 games so him and his agent are probably trying for a contract anywhere from $2.25 to $3 million a season would be my guess. As for Sandin his contract shouldn't ever have been an issue for Dubas but unfortunately they're in a mess right now, realistically Sandin should be making similar to Timothy Liljegren's $1.4 on a similar length contract of 2 years but with Rielly,Muzzin and Giordano currently on the left side he doesn't see there being any ice-time for him which has been the biggest issue with his negotiations to my understanding.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 16, 2022 13:00:35 GMT -4
What would you guys project for those guys, about 1.5-2M each? so they would need to shed a 3M player or two totalling 3.8M. I wish, Engvall had a cap hit of $1.25 million last season and is arbitration eligible while coming off a career year for himself with 15 goals and 20 assists in 78 games so him and his agent are probably trying for a contract anywhere from $2.25 to $3 million a season would be my guess. As for Sandin his contract shouldn't ever have been an issue for Dubas but unfortunately they're in a mess right now, realistically Sandin should be making similar to Timothy Liljegren's $1.4 on a similar length contract of 2 years but with Rielly,Muzzin and Giordano currently on the left side he doesn't see there being any ice-time for him which has been the biggest issue with his negotiations to my understanding. They've been clearly setting themselves up to make a deal where money goes out. Whether thats to bring money back of free up the money to be used elsewhere is really whats up in the air. I think its safe to say Kerfoot has played his last game as a Leaf as that deal has great value right now. Forcing the young D to earn that ice time is one of the better things Dubas is doing thats getting zero play from anyone. You want those young guys hungry for ice time and opportunity. And you need good depth for a 100+ game grind if you want to have any playoff success at all.
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Post by JEagle on Jul 16, 2022 13:59:10 GMT -4
I wish, Engvall had a cap hit of $1.25 million last season and is arbitration eligible while coming off a career year for himself with 15 goals and 20 assists in 78 games so him and his agent are probably trying for a contract anywhere from $2.25 to $3 million a season would be my guess. As for Sandin his contract shouldn't ever have been an issue for Dubas but unfortunately they're in a mess right now, realistically Sandin should be making similar to Timothy Liljegren's $1.4 on a similar length contract of 2 years but with Rielly,Muzzin and Giordano currently on the left side he doesn't see there being any ice-time for him which has been the biggest issue with his negotiations to my understanding. They've been clearly setting themselves up to make a deal where money goes out. Whether thats to bring money back of free up the money to be used elsewhere is really whats up in the air. I think its safe to say Kerfoot has played his last game as a Leaf as that deal has great value right now. Forcing the young D to earn that ice time is one of the better things Dubas is doing thats getting zero play from anyone. You want those young guys hungry for ice time and opportunity. And you need good depth for a 100+ game grind if you want to have any playoff success at all. I feel like it'd have to be a player out for picks type deal personally. I agree Kerfoot's time as a Leaf is more than likely done and as you mentioned his deal is really good his signing bonus is already paid making his base salary really affordable at ($750k) so any team that can fit his cap hit of $3.5M should be calling Dubas. Forcing the young D to earn their ice-time is a good thing I agree but I feel Sandin has earn his ice-time and going about it the way the Leafs have with Sandin can only cause resentment which from reports on how his negotiations have gone it appears to have done just that. You need good depth at every position to have playoff success I think everyone understands that I just feel it shouldn't come at the cost of your best young defenceman who you only drafted in the 1st round just 4 years ago.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 18, 2022 9:36:24 GMT -4
Forcing the young D to earn their ice-time is a good thing I agree but I feel Sandin has earn his ice-time and going about it the way the Leafs have with Sandin can only cause resentment which from reports on how his negotiations have gone it appears to have done just that. You need good depth at every position to have playoff success I think everyone understands that I just feel it shouldn't come at the cost of your best young defenceman who you only drafted in the 1st round just 4 years ago. If he's earned his ice time there would be no doubts about who he would get playing time over. Liljegren played very well last year as well. But between injury and inexperience neither were huge factors come playoff time. If a minimum salaried Giordano is that much in your way....you still have some strides to make. I don't think its a bad thing. But if you're refusing to sign because of there being too many veterans for you to outplay....it probably is best you go somewhere else where the standards are lower. A young player refusing to battle for ice time and being unwilling to use what ice time he does get to prove his place in the pecking order isnt one that is necessarily going to reach his projected ceiling as thats not a great attitude to have as a professional. If we traded Muzzin and Gio and made Sandin our 2nd pairing D....is he ready for that over 100 games as a top team wanting to contend? It would be better for the player but would the team benefit from giving in to every young player that wanted their competition moved out of the way? Go out there in October and prove where you should be and make your GM's job easy. While Sandin has looked good its not like he's projecting as a top end #1 dman or anything. So its a bit premature to say there's too much ahead of him especially when one of them is playing for the league minimum. Shouldnt that be the exact type of veteran talent you want surrounding a youngster still trying to find his role and prove he can do it every night?
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Post by scotiahockey on Jul 18, 2022 17:40:08 GMT -4
Forcing the young D to earn their ice-time is a good thing I agree but I feel Sandin has earn his ice-time and going about it the way the Leafs have with Sandin can only cause resentment which from reports on how his negotiations have gone it appears to have done just that. You need good depth at every position to have playoff success I think everyone understands that I just feel it shouldn't come at the cost of your best young defenceman who you only drafted in the 1st round just 4 years ago. If he's earned his ice time there would be no doubts about who he would get playing time over. Liljegren played very well last year as well. But between injury and inexperience neither were huge factors come playoff time. If a minimum salaried Giordano is that much in your way....you still have some strides to make. I don't think its a bad thing. But if you're refusing to sign because of there being too many veterans for you to outplay....it probably is best you go somewhere else where the standards are lower. A young player refusing to battle for ice time and being unwilling to use what ice time he does get to prove his place in the pecking order isnt one that is necessarily going to reach his projected ceiling as thats not a great attitude to have as a professional. If we traded Muzzin and Gio and made Sandin our 2nd pairing D....is he ready for that over 100 games as a top team wanting to contend? It would be better for the player but would the team benefit from giving in to every young player that wanted their competition moved out of the way? Go out there in October and prove where you should be and make your GM's job easy. While Sandin has looked good its not like he's projecting as a top end #1 dman or anything. So its a bit premature to say there's too much ahead of him especially when one of them is playing for the league minimum. Shouldnt that be the exact type of veteran talent you want surrounding a youngster still trying to find his role and prove he can do it every night? He’s played 93 NHL games, never done it for a full season and his upside is probably a 2nd pairing guy. I don’t think he’s ready for a full season as a 2nd pairing guy on a team that wants to contend, he might get there by seasons end but right now I don’t know how anyone can confidently say that. I think right now he’s a guy that can definitely play a 3rd pairing role and move up to a 2nd pairing for stretches but he’s a young D. He’s inconsistent and not ready for that full-time until he proves it. I think Holl going out is the logical move, you roll out Rielly/Brodie, Muzzin/Liljegren, Giordano/Sandin. Liljegren/Giordano/Sandin play that 2nd pairing role with Muzzin depending on who is playing the best hockey that night and over time, you find who works best in what roles. There’s lots of jockeying for position to be had, PP time on the back end after Rielly is available, more ice time from injury and resting guys with a bigger picture in mind. If Sandin doesn’t want to go out and earn it or thinks he’s worth way more then he actually is, good for him but I don’t think Toronto is the place he’s going to get all that. He’s not done anything to suggest he’s worth more than Liljegren or that much more if we think he holds more value then him.
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Post by Kingrat on Jul 20, 2022 18:06:27 GMT -4
can the leafs put together a package for tkachuk or is his mind set for a U.S. destination
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2022 22:59:22 GMT -4
can the leafs put together a package for tkachuk or is his mind set for a U.S. destination He wants to be in the US. He's only going somewhere where he will sign so Calgary can get some value in return.
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Post by bois on Jul 21, 2022 7:07:31 GMT -4
dunno if it's totally accurate or not but heard he basically gave a list of 5 or 6 teams
St Louis Nashville Vegas Florida Dallas and
New Jersey
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 21, 2022 7:50:27 GMT -4
dunno if it's totally accurate or not but heard he basically gave a list of 5 or 6 teams St Louis Nashville Vegas Florida Dallas and New Jersey I will say this: Eric Francis is getting the shaft as his reporting of this came out a good 30 hours ahead of the Athletic. In a world where people obsess over "who was first" I havent seen anyone from the Athletic acknowledge his reporting. The Athletic printed 7 teams they claim he would go to with Detroit being the 7th to add to your list I believe. Eric Francis says the 7 team list isnt accurate. Personally i'd side more with Francis in that I cant see him turning down a big US market like LA or NYR if there was a deal to be made.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 21, 2022 8:07:33 GMT -4
Active Stick @theoakleafs · 1h Some are way too worried that Matthews will bolt and stiff us like Gaudreau did Calgary. This won’t happen. It won’t happen because if he doesn’t sign an extension by next training camp, you fucking trade the shit out of him, his linemate, his trainer and his dog.
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