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Post by jordo999 on Apr 2, 2022 15:43:25 GMT -4
Jay Beagle crosschecks Trevor Zegras and proceeds to beat Troy Terry pretty bad to where his head was cut. Arizona commentators have a hot take on the situation.....
thoughts? Personally I Don't agree with what the commentator is saying.
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Post by bois on Apr 3, 2022 8:59:15 GMT -4
what part do you disagree with?
i think they are probably pretty much bang on
Zegras is incredibly talented.... but old schoolers not gonna take kindly to the showboating..... and he was poking at the goalie
my only question is what was tough Phil Kessel barking at that got him the boot? lol
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 3, 2022 11:44:56 GMT -4
what part do you disagree with? i think they are probably pretty much bang on Zegras is incredibly talented.... but old schoolers not gonna take kindly to the showboating..... and he was poking at the goalie my only question is what was tough Phil Kessel barking at that got him the boot? lol Fighting Terry is fine (other than that being a blatant instigator). Continuing to pound him after he became defenseless is an aggressor. Punching Max Steel repeatedly while his teammate held his arms is also an aggressor. |
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Post by jordo999 on Apr 3, 2022 15:43:03 GMT -4
what part do you disagree with? i think they are probably pretty much bang on Zegras is incredibly talented.... but old schoolers not gonna take kindly to the showboating..... and he was poking at the goalie my only question is what was tough Phil Kessel barking at that got him the boot? lol " you want to skill it up, you better be prepared to get punched in the mouth." Does not make much sense to me, just because Arizona is a crap shoot of a team doesn't mean these skilled young guys should "take it easy" on them and then in return get beat up for it. The dig at the net by Zegras was very minor, does it warrant a shove or something? Sure, but a crosscheck from behind? Idk. We love to watch these young guys display their skill, and if I'm going to a game I'd much rather watch Zegras do some crazy moves rather than watch Jay Beagle loaf around lol. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 3, 2022 18:08:24 GMT -4
what part do you disagree with? i think they are probably pretty much bang on Zegras is incredibly talented.... but old schoolers not gonna take kindly to the showboating..... and he was poking at the goalie my only question is what was tough Phil Kessel barking at that got him the boot? lol " you want to skill it up, you better be prepared to get punched in the mouth." Does not make much sense to me, just because Arizona is a crap shoot of a team doesn't mean these skilled young guys should "take it easy" on them and then in return get beat up for it. The dig at the net by Zegras was very minor, does it warrant a shove or something? Sure, but a crosscheck from behind? Idk. We love to watch these young guys display their skill, and if I'm going to a game I'd much rather watch Zegras do some crazy moves rather than watch Jay Beagle loaf around lol. The NHL needs the NHL approach, err on the side of skill guys. They sell the tickets. Fans hate some of the Roughing the Passer calls but they protect QB's. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 3, 2022 20:52:13 GMT -4
Says more about these teams and their situation. They are not playoff teams. That incident is their narrative for the season.
There is nothing wrong with taking exception to a late poke at the goalie. Or being upset that someone tries a trick skill shot in a game that means nothing with a score that is lopsided.
But a good rule of conduct which you need to buy into for self preservation and legacy is "respect your opponent".
Don't poke at the goalie when he covered the puck and you lead by a few goals.
Don't embarrass an opponent by doing something fancy when they are having an awful night in a bad season.
Last week Halifax lost to Bathurst 11-2. Bathurst was going out of their way not to rub it in more. Not to embarrassed them more. They were tapping pads on opponents after the whistle because we all have been on that end of an embarrassing loss on home ice before.
It was in the Titans best interest to not excessively demoralize the Mooseheads. They rolled 4 lines and didn't dig more for puck or try trick plays. Didn't even try to get their two candidates for hat tricks their 3rd goals.
And how did it help Bathurst?
They won anyway. They didn't get any extra suspensions or injuries (they had a player ejected before the score got ugly).
Not deflating Halifax more actually helped Halifax pick up their sticks and go on a killer week beating SJ once and Charlottetown twice. All things that benefit the Titan.
Respect is never a bad thing in sports. If it's a 2-1 game then balls to walls take no prisoners. Have fun and make them lose their cool. But when it's a fait accomplis maybe dial it back. Next time it might be you on the other end of it.
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Post by MikeC on Apr 3, 2022 21:17:39 GMT -4
Says more about these teams and their situation. They are not playoff teams. That incident is their narrative for the season. There is nothing wrong with taking exception to a late poke at the goalie. Or being upset that someone tries a trick skill shot in a game that means nothing with a score that is lopsided. But a good rule of conduct which you need to buy into for self preservation and legacy is "respect your opponent". Don't poke at the goalie when he covered the puck and you lead by a few goals. Don't embarrass an opponent by doing something fancy when they are having an awful night in a bad season. Last week Halifax lost to Bathurst 11-2. Bathurst was going out of their way not to rub it in more. Not to embarrassed them more. They were tapping pads on opponents after the whistle because we all have been on that end of an embarrassing loss on home ice before. It was in the Titans best interest to not excessively demoralize the Mooseheads. They rolled 4 lines and didn't dig more for puck or try trick plays. Didn't even try to get their two candidates for hat tricks their 3rd goals. And how did it help Bathurst? They won anyway. They didn't get any extra suspensions or injuries (they had a player ejected before the score got ugly). Not deflating Halifax more actually helped Halifax pick up their sticks and go on a killer week beating SJ once and Charlottetown twice. All things that benefit the Titan. Respect is never a bad thing in sports. If it's a 2-1 game then balls to walls take no prisoners. Have fun and make them lose their cool. But when it's a fait accomplis maybe dial it back. Next time it might be you on the other end of it. Zegras' fancy goal was in the 1st period, and it was only 2-0 at the time. |
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Post by lirette on Apr 3, 2022 21:32:30 GMT -4
If you don't want get "skilled up on" maybe you just need to be better at defense. What a silly thing to suggest that players who score goals or make nice plays deserve to be injured. Grown ass men making millions of dollars can't handle losing ? Perhaps they are the "soft" ones.
The coyotes are an embarrassment of an organization. Guys like Tyson Nash don't really deserve this much attention.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 3, 2022 22:35:51 GMT -4
Says more about these teams and their situation. They are not playoff teams. That incident is their narrative for the season. There is nothing wrong with taking exception to a late poke at the goalie. Or being upset that someone tries a trick skill shot in a game that means nothing with a score that is lopsided. But a good rule of conduct which you need to buy into for self preservation and legacy is "respect your opponent". Don't poke at the goalie when he covered the puck and you lead by a few goals. Don't embarrass an opponent by doing something fancy when they are having an awful night in a bad season. Last week Halifax lost to Bathurst 11-2. Bathurst was going out of their way not to rub it in more. Not to embarrassed them more. They were tapping pads on opponents after the whistle because we all have been on that end of an embarrassing loss on home ice before. It was in the Titans best interest to not excessively demoralize the Mooseheads. They rolled 4 lines and didn't dig more for puck or try trick plays. Didn't even try to get their two candidates for hat tricks their 3rd goals. And how did it help Bathurst? They won anyway. They didn't get any extra suspensions or injuries (they had a player ejected before the score got ugly). Not deflating Halifax more actually helped Halifax pick up their sticks and go on a killer week beating SJ once and Charlottetown twice. All things that benefit the Titan. Respect is never a bad thing in sports. If it's a 2-1 game then balls to walls take no prisoners. Have fun and make them lose their cool. But when it's a fait accomplis maybe dial it back. Next time it might be you on the other end of it. As the old saying goes, you have to pick your battles... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2022 9:05:34 GMT -4
Ultimately as a sport we need to decide if at 4-0 we think that someone should try to score and make it 5-0 or if you do so you should have to answer to someone who considers 5-0 to be crossing some line of sportsmanship.
Personally I think the act of punching someone in the face because they kept out performing you in the game is a borderline insane way to behave in a sport and the quicker we get that attitude out of the game the quicker we'll move ahead.
If at 4-0 the team winning or the team losing started suddenly acting recklessly and aggressively then a fight to stop that or answer to it at least fits the narrative the fighting crowd is looking for.
But for some reason there's an entire % of fans who believe that you should only try to perform highly skilled plays at certain times or else you're "embarrassing" the sport. As if the Michigan play is something players do to rub something in vs something hard as hell to pull off but if you can gives you improved chances to score goals. And in this example it wasn't even about but I guess i'm saying that if at 5-0 Zegras scored a Michigan goal that should not warrant a concussion due to his high level of skill.
We need to stop letting people losing off the hook for being huge baby's who can't handle losing. 1-0 or 8-0 you shouldn't behave differently and be running around looking to fight someone as if there's some code in the sport saying if you score X goals more than me you should expect to have to fight someone.
How do those fights change anything? There's no code being upheld or respect being demanded in a blowout when the losing team is suddenly concerned with honour.....try not falling behind 5 goals. That would respect the sport more than any brawls indicate.
Did more people go back and watch video of the brawl or of the Zegras goal I wonder. And are kids aged 6-16 more excited to play the game after watching the highly skilled play? Or the brawl we want them to believe should answer "unsportsmanlike" play? While we completely blur the lines on why the goals are unsportsmanlike but the fighting and message is somehow upholding a sportsmanlike code.
No wonder so many kids are playing soccer and basketball now. Much cheaper to play. Parents are not near as insane as in hockey. And skill at the highest level isn't answered by neaderthals pretending the code is to fight and not to not suck.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2022 9:14:23 GMT -4
Says more about these teams and their situation. They are not playoff teams. That incident is their narrative for the season. There is nothing wrong with taking exception to a late poke at the goalie. Or being upset that someone tries a trick skill shot in a game that means nothing with a score that is lopsided. But a good rule of conduct which you need to buy into for self preservation and legacy is "respect your opponent". Don't poke at the goalie when he covered the puck and you lead by a few goals. Don't embarrass an opponent by doing something fancy when they are having an awful night in a bad season. Last week Halifax lost to Bathurst 11-2. Bathurst was going out of their way not to rub it in more. Not to embarrassed them more. They were tapping pads on opponents after the whistle because we all have been on that end of an embarrassing loss on home ice before. It was in the Titans best interest to not excessively demoralize the Mooseheads. They rolled 4 lines and didn't dig more for puck or try trick plays. Didn't even try to get their two candidates for hat tricks their 3rd goals. And how did it help Bathurst? They won anyway. They didn't get any extra suspensions or injuries (they had a player ejected before the score got ugly). Not deflating Halifax more actually helped Halifax pick up their sticks and go on a killer week beating SJ once and Charlottetown twice. All things that benefit the Titan. Respect is never a bad thing in sports. If it's a 2-1 game then balls to walls take no prisoners. Have fun and make them lose their cool. But when it's a fait accomplis maybe dial it back. Next time it might be you on the other end of it. But it was 11-2. By continue to score didn't they purposely keep embarrassing the other team? Or can I score 20 goals on you as long as I congratulate you for letting me and don't celebrate when I score? Or can I still celebrate my 7th, 8th, 9th goals and your goal still be to not let me without using illegal actions to prevent me and cross the line with major penalties because your ego is bruised because your team isnt playing all that well? I really think we're making it all way too difficult than it has to be. Unless the 5-0 or 11-2 goal came with sucker punch or dirty spear or nasty stick swinging incident can we not treat it like a 3-0 goal and go back to center and keep playing? Why do we suddenly need to start over analyzing body language and people having fun and suddenly make it about respect? If you're down 11-2....its not the 11 disrespecting the game necessarily. Respect has to be shown by all 40 players dressed in the game for the entire game. And answering disrespect with more disrespect doesn't somehow equal more respect. Especially when its perceived disrespect and not even anything blatant and over the top like this situation seemed to be. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 4, 2022 9:23:52 GMT -4
When I was coaching, I always preached for them to play hard, but once the score was 3-4 goals difference, a more subdued goal celebration was expected. Obviously no poking at the goalie and staying clear of post whistle stuff.
I think the whole "code" thing like a lot of old hockey culture is idiotic. One I find idiotic is having to fight after a clean hit.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 4, 2022 9:57:56 GMT -4
When I was coaching, I always preached for them to play hard, but once the score was 3-4 goals difference, a more subdued goal celebration was expected. Obviously no poking at the goalie and staying clear of post whistle stuff. I think the whole "code" thing like a lot of old hockey culture is idiotic. One I find idiotic is having to fight after a clean hit. We have seen a huge evolution in the last 20 years where skill is taking over the sport and fighting and its importance is less and less every year. I can see how at the absolute highest level of pro hockey why people within the sport dont want a game misconduct for fighting. For 2 players, elite ones especially, to settle the very rare personal score and not get ejected from a game does hold some value to the paying customer. But we need to stop the fighting around teams scoring a lot of goals or celebrating after doing so. I would be ok with a hybrid rule where its up to the ref on when to eject someone for fighting. |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 4, 2022 10:35:59 GMT -4
When I was coaching, I always preached for them to play hard, but once the score was 3-4 goals difference, a more subdued goal celebration was expected. Obviously no poking at the goalie and staying clear of post whistle stuff. I think the whole "code" thing like a lot of old hockey culture is idiotic. One I find idiotic is having to fight after a clean hit. We have seen a huge evolution in the last 20 years where skill is taking over the sport and fighting and its importance is less and less every year. I can see how at the absolute highest level of pro hockey why people within the sport dont want a game misconduct for fighting. For 2 players, elite ones especially, to settle the very rare personal score and not get ejected from a game does hold some value to the paying customer. But we need to stop the fighting around teams scoring a lot of goals or celebrating after doing so. I would be ok with a hybrid rule where its up to the ref on when to eject someone for fighting. In pro sports, if you don't like getting blown out, play better. It is not like this is a minor hockey game where two teams were so mis-matched as to make the outcome inevitable. Obviously the winners should show some class and not taunt the losing team - but play hard, score and line up for the faceoff - that should be fair game. Scoring in an NHL hockey game is hard - so it shouldn't matter how you do it (Michigan-style included) - otherwise, where is the line? Is a back-door pass OK? How about a between the legs deke? One-timer? I can see how jamming away after the whistle will prompt a reaction in a lopsided game - no one likes it in a close game ... so yeah, I can see that the winners have some responsibility to make sure they aren't going past the whistle in a blowout - not condoning what was done to Terry ... but "digging" late in a lopsided game, a warning shot to the ribs like what Zegras received is likely deserved. |
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Post by bois on Apr 4, 2022 10:41:35 GMT -4
We have seen a huge evolution in the last 20 years where skill is taking over the sport and fighting and its importance is less and less every year. I can see how at the absolute highest level of pro hockey why people within the sport dont want a game misconduct for fighting. For 2 players, elite ones especially, to settle the very rare personal score and not get ejected from a game does hold some value to the paying customer. But we need to stop the fighting around teams scoring a lot of goals or celebrating after doing so. I would be ok with a hybrid rule where its up to the ref on when to eject someone for fighting. In pro sports, if you don't like getting blown out, play better. It is not like this is a minor hockey game where two teams were so mis-matched as to make the outcome inevitable. Obviously the winners should show some class and not taunt the losing team - but play hard, score and line up for the faceoff - that should be fair game. Scoring in an NHL hockey game is hard - so it shouldn't matter how you do it (Michigan-style included) - otherwise, where is the line? Is a back-door pass OK? How about a between the legs deke? One-timer? I can see how jamming away after the whistle will prompt a reaction in a lopsided game - no one likes it in a close game ... so yeah, I can see that the winners have some responsibility to make sure they aren't going past the whistle in a blowout - not condoning what was done to Terry ... but "digging" late in a lopsided game, a warning shot to the ribs like what Zegras received is likely deserved. yep i don't condone Beagle's actions at all.... i just said the announcers are likely right in their assessment of what happened to cause Arizona to lose it a bit in that situation i'm not really even sure how Terry wound up in the fight i'm guessing he came to Zegras defense after the cross check..... anyhow if you aren't willing or capable of defending yourself you probably should not charge into a melee like that |
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