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Dec 22, 2023 10:28:47 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 22, 2023 10:28:47 GMT -4
Before they sell 1 ticket or 1 piece of Dodger swag to little Ohtani's in Tokyo the Dodgers make $334 mil per year off their local TV deal. That billion is being paid over 20 years when over $7 billion comes in just from local TV money. Jack, your opinion on why the Dodgers are allowed to do this. The MLB allows them to make that Ohtani deal and now they can sign the Japanese pitcher. Why aren't the other MLB teams, especially the small market teams, speaking up about this. I don't want to sound like a child, but it doesn't seem too fair. I didn't give any opinion. I simply listed how their revenue from 1 revenue source pays all their bills. Before they sell tickets or merch. The CBA in baseball allows this stuff. Small market teams don't speak up because they also benefit from the revenue of the big markets through luxury tax payments and other mechanisms. There were 6-8 teams who would have given Ohtani the exact same deal. The only reason it doesn't seem fair to you is because your favorite team didn't sign him. If they did, you'd see no issue.
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Dec 22, 2023 11:29:33 GMT -4
Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 22, 2023 11:29:33 GMT -4
Jack, your opinion on why the Dodgers are allowed to do this. The MLB allows them to make that Ohtani deal and now they can sign the Japanese pitcher. Why aren't the other MLB teams, especially the small market teams, speaking up about this. I don't want to sound like a child, but it doesn't seem too fair. I didn't give any opinion. I simply listed how their revenue from 1 revenue source pays all their bills. Before they sell tickets or merch. The CBA in baseball allows this stuff. Small market teams don't speak up because they also benefit from the revenue of the big markets through luxury tax payments and other mechanisms. There were 6-8 teams who would have given Ohtani the exact same deal. The only reason it doesn't seem fair to you is because your favorite team didn't sign him. If they did, you'd see no issue. Relax Jack. I wasn't questioning what you said, I sincerely wanted to know what you thought about the Dodgers situation. Thanks.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 22, 2023 11:31:39 GMT -4
I didn't give any opinion. I simply listed how their revenue from 1 revenue source pays all their bills. Before they sell tickets or merch. The CBA in baseball allows this stuff. Small market teams don't speak up because they also benefit from the revenue of the big markets through luxury tax payments and other mechanisms. There were 6-8 teams who would have given Ohtani the exact same deal. The only reason it doesn't seem fair to you is because your favorite team didn't sign him. If they did, you'd see no issue. Relax Jack. I wasn't questioning what you said, I sincerely wanted to know what you thought about the Dodgers situation. Thanks. It's a great situation for the Dodgers. They have the money to be able to afford the flexibility. Contract deferrals have been a part of MLB culture for decades. Its nothing new. And for the athletes in a smart move to keep money coming in long after their careers have ended and in a world where revenue only seems to be growing for the big markets I both see little downside and little reason for a majority to want the any rules to change. Its not like Ohtani is a Cleveland Guardian if there's no deferrals allowed.
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MLB
Dec 22, 2023 14:13:09 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 22, 2023 14:13:09 GMT -4
Another way to view these contracts:
Largest contract to a pitcher in MLB history before this off season: Garrett Cole 9 years and $324 million. NYY had 7 year of MLB experience to scout before signing that deal.
Largest contract to a pitcher in MLB history today: Yamamoto 12 years and $325 million....has never thrown 1 pitch in MLB.
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Dec 24, 2023 15:23:45 GMT -4
Post by hal on Dec 24, 2023 15:23:45 GMT -4
Throughout the ages when Players go to a new team , especially Veteran Players if they are married to a certain Uniform Number , you will often hear of thank you gifts if a Player gives up his number to the incoming player . Over the years I have heard of Steak Dinners , Watches , Golf Clubs , a Boat , Paid Vacation Trips , Bathroom Makeovers , Kitchen Makeovers , Cash , Donations to the Players Favourite Charity .............Shohtei Ohtani just bought Joe Kelly , a Pitcher for the Dodgers a Brand New Porsche for his Wife in exchange for The Number 17 ..... Wow , Life in Pro Sports .
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Jan 8, 2024 7:42:46 GMT -4
Post by hal on Jan 8, 2024 7:42:46 GMT -4
Ex Blue Jays OF , Teoscar Hernandez gets a 1 year - 23.5 Million Dollar Deal from .............The Los Angeles Dodgers .
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Jan 8, 2024 7:58:53 GMT -4
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Post by Mika on Jan 8, 2024 7:58:53 GMT -4
Ex Blue Jays OF , Teoscar Hernandez gets a 1 year - 23.5 Million Dollar Deal from .............The Los Angeles Dodgers . They go on about how they can improve the game, implement a real salary cap. No team should be allowed to horde as many star players like the Dodgers are.
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Jan 8, 2024 12:00:14 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 8, 2024 12:00:14 GMT -4
Ex Blue Jays OF , Teoscar Hernandez gets a 1 year - 23.5 Million Dollar Deal from .............The Los Angeles Dodgers . They go on about how they can improve the game, implement a real salary cap. No team should be allowed to horde as many star players like the Dodgers are. When has the MLB game been healthier? Most teams have been competitive to some degree over the last decade. 20 years ago it was the Yankees spending the most and winning. 30 years ago it was the Blue Jays spending the most and winning. Why would MLB want anything to change? Look at the Dodgers local TV deal. If the revenue is there to spend, why should they not spend it? Is the salary cap helping the NHL? I'd argue its actually hurting them because its stunting the growth in big markets by allocating revenue to Arizona's to play out of a CHL arena. So rather then a Toronto, NYR, Montreal, LA, Chicago spending the revenue they bring in to invest on their own team they're forced to hand over a check to the have nots and the only competitive advantage they can spend their money on is in more coaching bodies and off ice stuff like scouting, mental/physical health advantages, etc. Jagr signed a 7 year $77 million deal in 2001. There's 8 guys making more than $11 million today. The highest AAV signed in the cap system has been $13.25 million. How is this evidence of success? Add in the absolute criminal treatment of international hockey thanks to the NHL's involvement and refusal to both go to Olympics and schedule World Cups and its insane to think anything the NHL is doing should be replicated by MLB. If anything the argument is clear that the NHL going back to an MLB style would simply mean the weak franchises being left behind which is actually better for the sport.
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Jan 8, 2024 12:03:07 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 8, 2024 12:03:07 GMT -4
Ex Blue Jays OF , Teoscar Hernandez gets a 1 year - 23.5 Million Dollar Deal from .............The Los Angeles Dodgers . Another deal where most money is paid out well in the future. If the American economy bottoms out at any point in the next 6-8 years there's going to be some interesting situations come out of these deals.
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Jan 8, 2024 12:35:54 GMT -4
Post by hal on Jan 8, 2024 12:35:54 GMT -4
Ex Blue Jays OF , Teoscar Hernandez gets a 1 year - 23.5 Million Dollar Deal from .............The Los Angeles Dodgers . They go on about how they can improve the game, implement a real salary cap. No team should be allowed to horde as many star players like the Dodgers are. The MLB Players Union is regarded as one of the Strongest Work Unions ever Organized .....they would never accept a Salary Cap . Which makes you wonder why the NFLPA is not stronger than what they are ? The NFL is miles ahead of the NBA and MLB in terms of Popularity and Revenues and a Whole Galaxy ahead of the NHL .
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Jan 8, 2024 12:43:45 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 8, 2024 12:43:45 GMT -4
They go on about how they can improve the game, implement a real salary cap. No team should be allowed to horde as many star players like the Dodgers are. The MLB Players Union is regarded as one of the Strongest Work Unions ever Organized .....they would never accept a Salary Cap . Which makes you wonder why the NFLPA is not stronger than what they are ? The NFL is miles ahead of the NBA and MLB in terms of Popularity and Revenues and a Whole Galaxy ahead of the NHL . The NFL also has a very short career span. To strike and remove a cap would cost some NFL players an entire career. The 2 situations aren't comparable. 1 is 16 games with a 3-4 year career span. With 2-3 other worldwide options that don't pay great. The other is 162 games and if you don't get a major league job there's multiple levels of minor leagues along with asian pro leagues.
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Jan 8, 2024 13:27:10 GMT -4
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Post by Mika on Jan 8, 2024 13:27:10 GMT -4
They go on about how they can improve the game, implement a real salary cap. No team should be allowed to horde as many star players like the Dodgers are. When has the MLB game been healthier? Most teams have been competitive to some degree over the last decade. 20 years ago it was the Yankees spending the most and winning. 30 years ago it was the Blue Jays spending the most and winning. Why would MLB want anything to change? Look at the Dodgers local TV deal. If the revenue is there to spend, why should they not spend it? Is the salary cap helping the NHL? I'd argue its actually hurting them because its stunting the growth in big markets by allocating revenue to Arizona's to play out of a CHL arena. So rather then a Toronto, NYR, Montreal, LA, Chicago spending the revenue they bring in to invest on their own team they're forced to hand over a check to the have nots and the only competitive advantage they can spend their money on is in more coaching bodies and off ice stuff like scouting, mental/physical health advantages, etc. Jagr signed a 7 year $77 million deal in 2001. There's 8 guys making more than $11 million today. The highest AAV signed in the cap system has been $13.25 million. How is this evidence of success? Add in the absolute criminal treatment of international hockey thanks to the NHL's involvement and refusal to both go to Olympics and schedule World Cups and its insane to think anything the NHL is doing should be replicated by MLB. If anything the argument is clear that the NHL going back to an MLB style would simply mean the weak franchises being left behind which is actually better for the sport. The only real issue though with the salary cap is that players are paid way less than their counterparts in other sports. In terms of money going to Arizona, that's the fault of a stubborn commissioner who refuses to move a dead experiment and keeps allowing them to have laughably bad ownership and management. How can anyone look at the Ohtani contract in any aspect and think "yep, that's a perfectly fine contract". That could end up being $700 million for a designated hitter depending on how he recovers from this injury and surgery. Then they follow it up with another ridiculous contract to a player who has never thrown a pitch in the MLB. I can't really discuss the Jays spending 30 years ago, my life had barely begun at that point. The Yankees, I never liked it when they did it. I don't like it when the Leafs do it or the Rangers. I just want some sensible regulations in place which knowing Americans is definitely a lot to ask for. Even with the current rules, I can't explain how a team like the Rays can maintain a fairly competitive nature to their game. It just always seemed weird that a surgeon saving lives makes significantly less than a guy hitting a ball. Agree to disagree I suppose. But I think the competitiveness of MLB would benefit from eliminating a variance like a team having a billion dollar payroll going against a team with a $35 million payroll.
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Jan 8, 2024 13:51:21 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 8, 2024 13:51:21 GMT -4
When has the MLB game been healthier? Most teams have been competitive to some degree over the last decade. 20 years ago it was the Yankees spending the most and winning. 30 years ago it was the Blue Jays spending the most and winning. Why would MLB want anything to change? Look at the Dodgers local TV deal. If the revenue is there to spend, why should they not spend it? Is the salary cap helping the NHL? I'd argue its actually hurting them because its stunting the growth in big markets by allocating revenue to Arizona's to play out of a CHL arena. So rather then a Toronto, NYR, Montreal, LA, Chicago spending the revenue they bring in to invest on their own team they're forced to hand over a check to the have nots and the only competitive advantage they can spend their money on is in more coaching bodies and off ice stuff like scouting, mental/physical health advantages, etc. Jagr signed a 7 year $77 million deal in 2001. There's 8 guys making more than $11 million today. The highest AAV signed in the cap system has been $13.25 million. How is this evidence of success? Add in the absolute criminal treatment of international hockey thanks to the NHL's involvement and refusal to both go to Olympics and schedule World Cups and its insane to think anything the NHL is doing should be replicated by MLB. If anything the argument is clear that the NHL going back to an MLB style would simply mean the weak franchises being left behind which is actually better for the sport. The only real issue though with the salary cap is that players are paid way less than their counterparts in other sports. In terms of money going to Arizona, that's the fault of a stubborn commissioner who refuses to move a dead experiment and keeps allowing them to have laughably bad ownership and management. How can anyone look at the Ohtani contract in any aspect and think "yep, that's a perfectly fine contract". That could end up being $700 million for a designated hitter depending on how he recovers from this injury and surgery. Then they follow it up with another ridiculous contract to a player who has never thrown a pitch in the MLB. I can't really discuss the Jays spending 30 years ago, my life had barely begun at that point. The Yankees, I never liked it when they did it. I don't like it when the Leafs do it or the Rangers. I just want some sensible regulations in place which knowing Americans is definitely a lot to ask for. Even with the current rules, I can't explain how a team like the Rays can maintain a fairly competitive nature to their game. It just always seemed weird that a surgeon saving lives makes significantly less than a guy hitting a ball. Agree to disagree I suppose. But I think the competitiveness of MLB would benefit from eliminating a variance like a team having a billion dollar payroll going against a team with a $35 million payroll. Ohtani IS a perfectly fine contract. Its not against the CBA. He had multiple teams willing to do the same deal. The LA Dodgers can easily afford it. They're getting $8 billion just for local TV. The point in mentioning the Jays 30 years ago is this is how MLB works. Big spenders in big markets sign good players to try and win championships. When Toronto was the big spender....there were crickets across Canada and MLB about pay roll. BUT...then the Yankees not only spent big but built a dynasty with Jeter. Rivera. Pettite. Posada. I wont keep going. But NOW its an issue. Salary Cap MLB because the Yankees are too good. So Boston spent big. Ended the curse. Kept spending. Kept winning. Oh but now its the Dodgers spending. And look at the amounts (same argument as NYY 2 decades ago...) they're spending on future HOF players like Kershaw and Ohtani. And look at the cham....oh wait the Dodgers have as many championships to show for a decade of crazy spending as the Kansas City Royals have. So the money they're spending isn't even producing dynasties. Because the sport has so many good players that come playoff time the parity is off the charts. How could MLB be more competitive? The NHL sees teams go dark for decades because of the cap system. MLB teams are able to fund minor league systems off the revenue sharing they have and we see small markets like Tampa compete with the New York's through smart managing. Once the discussion gets into athletes shouldnt make more then X profession you lose me. 40,000 eople pay 3 figures to watch regular season baseball. 0 people pay to watch surgeons. Want surgeons to get paid? Stop pretending health care is free and allow for some privitization...oh but then we can't pretend its an equal system because rich people can jump the line (but not fly to the US apparently....) just another example where we let politicians screw us over so we can feel like we're equally screwed over and therefore its ok.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:21:05 GMT -4
Post by Kingrat on Jan 8, 2024 14:21:05 GMT -4
Teoscar expensive maybe but fun to have in room ... chemistry in Jays room not there last season ... bring on spring training
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Jan 8, 2024 14:51:26 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 8, 2024 14:51:26 GMT -4
Teoscar expensive maybe but fun to have in room ... chemistry in Jays room not there last season ... bring on spring training Agreed that him leaving definitely created a void that was never filled in the lineup. Still hoping there's another big add before spring opens. Doesn't feel like the team has improved all that much.
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