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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2023 14:46:46 GMT -4
not worthy of hosting a Memorial Cup tournament but we are hosting a 2024 World curling championship?. I realize they are two different sports, but really?. Yes. The 2 are not even close to being in the same category. Our curling bid also does not rely even 1% on the quality of local curlers. The team we'd have to put on the ice in a Memorial Cup would factor into the decision. We're not competing against the other QMJHL and CHL teams for curling in the same way we would be a Memorial Cup. Our next Memorial Cup bid could be between us and Moncton. Or Quebec. Or Shawinigan. All newer arenas. All better organizations. And for all them to bid tomorrow they don't need $10+ million from 3 levels of government like we already know we do. The Memorial Cup has never been a realistic option thanks to our hockey ops. And now we're already picking battles with levels of government because our infrastructure is falling behind but our hockey team fell behind a decade ago and has never caught back up.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Jan 10, 2023 14:55:12 GMT -4
I think Louka Cloutier is a key cog to what we are trying to do here going forward and Couterier should be doing everything in his power to get him here, and get him on a winning team during his draft year as he has star potential and fits into our window. Only really disagree in that he's not even in the league now but is going to come in with the promised #1 job and win next season? This is a 19yr olds league. Most contenders we see now have 19 or 20yr olds in goal. He's a trade chip if he shows up. Maybe someone you groom as the #2. But there's no way he's getting that #1 commitment. You are 100% correct, however I feel like he's a prospect who could come in at 17 and at least be a 1B option to push Ruccia next season then take over the next season. On a team that's currently poised to have moderate success on paper next season I don't feel like you would be completely tossing him into the deep end of the pool with your 19 there to lead. It would also allow us to not have to focus on potentially bringing in a Euro G and use those picks to bolster the team elsewhere depending on who's willing to commit.
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Post by Citris on Jan 10, 2023 14:57:21 GMT -4
Yea, don't forget before the Pandemic it, Truro was supposed to host the Women's Worlds and had already held the world Jr. A championships.
The Memorial Cup has become a big deal tho, not quite to the standard of the World Juniors but it's a second when it comes to junior hockey in North America. The CHL wants to legitimize itself in the eyes of fans nationwide and it wants arenas that are going to look impressive (and packed) on TV.
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Post by Score on Jan 10, 2023 15:26:04 GMT -4
I think Louka Cloutier is a key cog to what we are trying to do here going forward and Couterier should be doing everything in his power to get him here, and get him on a winning team during his draft year as he has star potential and fits into our window. Only really disagree in that he's not even in the league now but is going to come in with the promised #1 job and win next season? This is a 19yr olds league. Most contenders we see now have 19 or 20yr olds in goal. He's a trade chip if he shows up. Maybe someone you groom as the #2. But there's no way he's getting that #1 commitment. I know he's committed to Univ. of Nebraska-Omaha......but does anyone know if he's heading to the USHL? If so, has it been announced which team?
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Post by JEagle on Jan 10, 2023 15:33:45 GMT -4
Only really disagree in that he's not even in the league now but is going to come in with the promised #1 job and win next season? This is a 19yr olds league. Most contenders we see now have 19 or 20yr olds in goal. He's a trade chip if he shows up. Maybe someone you groom as the #2. But there's no way he's getting that #1 commitment. I know he's committed to Univ. of Nebraska-Omaha......but does anyone know if he's heading to the USHL? If so, has it been announced which team? He's currently undrafted in the USHL.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2023 15:40:05 GMT -4
Only really disagree in that he's not even in the league now but is going to come in with the promised #1 job and win next season? This is a 19yr olds league. Most contenders we see now have 19 or 20yr olds in goal. He's a trade chip if he shows up. Maybe someone you groom as the #2. But there's no way he's getting that #1 commitment. You are 100% correct, however I feel like he's a prospect who could come in at 17 and at least be a 1B option to push Ruccia next season then take over the next season. On a team that's currently poised to have moderate success on paper next season I don't feel like you would be completely tossing him into the deep end of the pool with your 19 there to lead. It would also allow us to not have to focus on potentially bringing in a Euro G and use those picks to bolster the team elsewhere depending on who's willing to commit. You can't bring in a kid to push someone who hasn't developed as expected and has huge technical flaws to how he plays the position. You need to upgrade on Ruccia if you want to do anything next season. I wouldn't even mind a European if it was a known commodity. We just need a solution that has some history of success. Without the ability to move up in the Euro draft we're picking relatively high and then picking in the 60's-70's so you can't count on a 2nd import to be anything so i'd rather keep Satny and have the ability to pivot at mid season and move on from him for someone else if there's no sure thing for that 2nd import slot.
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 10, 2023 15:46:17 GMT -4
Yeah, even if Ruccia does end up being the guy, at this point it has to be outplaying someone else from the 1B position. He has been better since Satny came in but he has proven now that you need another capable goalie to push him in practice and be there in case he just forgets how to save a puck for a couple weeks. Depending on how he ends the season, I think keeping Satny should be something they look at. Goalies won't be as cheap next year as they are this year. My understanding is that they could pick 2 Euro's and still retain Satny's rights, yes? Edit - Jack's sneaky edit while I typed this comment pretty well exactly sums up my view too
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2023 15:55:34 GMT -4
Yeah, even if Ruccia does end up being the guy, at this point it has to be outplaying someone else from the 1B position. He has been better since Satny came in but he has proven now that you need another capable goalie to push him in practice and be there in case he just forgets how to save a puck for a couple weeks. Depending on how he ends the season, I think keeping Satny should be something they look at. Goalies won't be as cheap next year as they are this year. My understanding is that they could pick 2 Euro's and still retain Satny's rights, yes? Edit - Jack's sneaky edit while I typed this comment pretty well exactly sums up my view too
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2023 15:58:23 GMT -4
My understanding is that they could pick 2 Euro's and still retain Satny's rights, yes? Nope. Since Satny is here you can draft 1 to replace Ivan but I'm pretty sure that to draft with our 2nd pick we would need to drop 1 of the other 2 to add a 3rd at that point. If Satny were drafted or signed to an NHL contract that would be different and we'd be allowed to use the 2nd pick without dropping him. I know someone will correct me if i'm wrong.
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 10, 2023 16:03:43 GMT -4
My understanding is that they could pick 2 Euro's and still retain Satny's rights, yes? Nope. Since Satny is here you can draft 1 to replace Ivan but I'm pretty sure that to draft with our 2nd pick we would need to drop 1 of the other 2 to add a 3rd at that point. If Satny were drafted or signed to an NHL contract that would be different and we'd be allowed to use the 2nd pick without dropping him. I know someone will correct me if i'm wrong. As much as that would make sense to me, that doesn't fit our situation this summer though does it? We owned the rights to Ivan, Repcik, and Kulich for two weeks before Kulich signed in Buffalo. Maybe there is a grace period?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 16:12:11 GMT -4
If you have an overage Euro, there is a special rule that allows you to draft 2 more. Ultimately you can only keep 2 as we all know
Bathurst did it this past draft with Bednar.
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 10, 2023 16:15:25 GMT -4
If you have an overage Euro, there is a special rule that allows you to draft 2 more. Ultimately you can only keep 2 as we all know Bathurst did it this past draft with Bednar. So any overage Euro, not just professionally contracted?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2023 16:24:33 GMT -4
If you have an overage Euro, there is a special rule that allows you to draft 2 more. Ultimately you can only keep 2 as we all know Bathurst did it this past draft with Bednar. You're right. Forgot he is 19 this year.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 10, 2023 16:25:11 GMT -4
If you have an overage Euro, there is a special rule that allows you to draft 2 more. Ultimately you can only keep 2 as we all know Bathurst did it this past draft with Bednar. So any overage Euro, not just professionally contracted? Yep. Any overager as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 16:27:48 GMT -4
Bednar is not signed by Detroit to my understanding.
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