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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 29, 2023 9:45:51 GMT -4
Just complete spitballing here but does anyone think we actually have a better core to compete in 25-26 than next season? Burbidge (20) F Daigle (20) D Lavoie (19) D Waugh (19) D Desjardins (19) D Aucoin (19) F Shields (19) F Milota (19) G Ricard (18) F Pilling (18) F Murphy (18) D Toussaint F (18) For me thats been my frustration in adding all the vets after picking Lavoie. Building for his 18 and 19yr old seasons was the way to go when at rock bottom like we were. We're trying to expedite to when he's 17 and 18. That still feels premature to me but hopefully this year has some pay off for the fans.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 29, 2023 9:48:16 GMT -4
I actually thought the same thing when I saw people on here earlier this offseason complaining about sacrificing too many future pieces for the next two years. Giving up a lot of assets for an undrafted 18 YO (Burbidge) was criticized, but being undrafted he is almost guaranteed to be back as a 20 so they get him for three years. Obviously all depends on how a couple of young guys develop, but I do think they are about to begin a contention window of 3 years. That D could be unreal in 25-26. Burbidge is the only realistic one I could see going Pro. If he has a monster season this year I could see a team taking a flyer on him as an 18yo draftee. But if he isn't, then why not? There's a ton of gaps to fill in but that foundation is crazy solid and as you said, that D core could be elite along with Milota developing as planned into a very capable Q goaltender. I would much rather see this situation play out where the teams window stretches one more year and actually seems to be much less rushed and slammed together than next seasons squad. Sly will trade all he can over the next 18 months minus an asset or 2 to use as a sell off to start the rebuild. 25-26 is year 0 basically. Maybe that changes based on injuries/development but based on the all in style keeping say a Lavoie to trade off just seems to be a logical expectation.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Aug 29, 2023 10:18:18 GMT -4
Just complete spitballing here but does anyone think we actually have a better core to compete in 25-26 than next season? Burbidge (20) F Daigle (20) D Lavoie (19) D Waugh (19) D Desjardins (19) D Aucoin (19) F Shields (19) F Milota (19) G Ricard (18) F Pilling (18) F Murphy (18) D Toussaint F (18) For me thats been my frustration in adding all the vets after picking Lavoie. Building for his 18 and 19yr old seasons was the way to go when at rock bottom like we were. We're trying to expedite to when he's 17 and 18. That still feels premature to me but hopefully this year has some pay off for the fans. It just almost seems to hold TOO much logic for the Eagles Brass to even consider. If you stretch the window out, while continuing to draft and develop you start wandering away from the boom or bust that we are currently headed toward and actually start building a sustainable, sucessful culture of drafting and developing players.
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Post by turchi on Aug 29, 2023 10:32:43 GMT -4
Does the team retain the rights of players reassigned, or is the reassignment a release from the team? Just wondering about this to see if a reassigned player can be picked up by another Q team, or if their rights have to be traded first.
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 29, 2023 10:40:05 GMT -4
Does the team retain the rights of players reassigned, or is the reassignment a release from the team? Just wondering about this to see if a reassigned player can be picked up by another Q team, or if their rights have to be traded first. 19 and 20 year-olds not offered a contract had to be waived and there is a waiver draft today. They still have the ability to say no to the claiming team. A team could waive a younger player but it is less common. That's assuming that the player was on the protected list, because training camp tryouts don't add players and teams have to cut down their list for the draft every year.
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Post by hal on Aug 29, 2023 10:40:40 GMT -4
Does the team retain the rights of players reassigned, or is the reassignment a release from the team? Just wondering about this to see if a reassigned player can be picked up by another Q team, or if their rights have to be traded first. Reassigned sometimes means they are sending them ( 16 , 17 , 18 yr olds ) to JR A or U18 but they retain their rights . At Christmas Time they could possibly be included in a Trade though .
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Post by Briwhel on Aug 29, 2023 10:43:19 GMT -4
Does the team retain the rights of players reassigned, or is the reassignment a release from the team? Just wondering about this to see if a reassigned player can be picked up by another Q team, or if their rights have to be traded first. Reassigned means they are sending them to JR A or U18 but they retain their rights . At Christmas Time they could possibly be included in a Trade though . APs are eligible for trade at any time. They can't be changed from affiliate to roster player until Christmas, so the 10 game limit would apply.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 29, 2023 11:02:32 GMT -4
For me thats been my frustration in adding all the vets after picking Lavoie. Building for his 18 and 19yr old seasons was the way to go when at rock bottom like we were. We're trying to expedite to when he's 17 and 18. That still feels premature to me but hopefully this year has some pay off for the fans. It just almost seems to hold TOO much logic for the Eagles Brass to even consider. If you stretch the window out, while continuing to draft and develop you start wandering away from the boom or bust that we are currently headed toward and actually start building a sustainable, sucessful culture of drafting and developing players. Yep...go back and read our frustration from last year and that was a big part of the logic. By not adding the vets and just letting last season ride out you put yourself in a position to add another high pick while having more opportunity to develop the 2022 1sts....as one of them wanted out due to a lack of ice time. The logic seemed strong. But billionaires think if they yell loud enough the world will bend for them and our owner came in and demanded winning while the players he needed to win with were 16 and 17.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 11:12:29 GMT -4
This will be one of the most interesting seasons in recent history for the Eagles, the decisions they make at Christmas and in the next off season are riding heavily on how the 18's and 17's perform over the next 6-7 months. I really think this has the potential for a 2 year run starting in 24-25, but the breakout guys need to step up and our top guys need to find another gear. Robitaille will not let this group take night or a shift off, it should be fun to watch.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 29, 2023 12:09:34 GMT -4
This will be one of the most interesting seasons in recent history for the Eagles, the decisions they make at Christmas and in the next off season are riding heavily on how the 18's and 17's perform over the next 6-7 months. I really think this has the potential for a 2 year run starting in 24-25, but the breakout guys need to step up and our top guys need to find another gear. Robitaille will not let this group take night or a shift off, it should be fun to watch. If we stumble a bit in the first half it will be interesting to see if the stance is to take a step back and set ourselves up for the following 2 years or double down on this "win now, or else" mentality that we've seen really hurt franchises over the years. The popular example people still reference is the year Saint John had a big marketing campaign around a certain year being "THE year" in 2008-2009 but the first half wasn't great and they sold rather than double down on the pre-season stance. They had DiDomenico, Grant (#1 overall pick) and could have easily bought. But they sold those guys off. Got guys like Hoffman as futures and won 50 games 3 seasons in a row with back to back championships to show for it. They have none of that if they allowed their pre-season plans to dictate the Xmas plans without considering the results.
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Post by sc74 on Aug 31, 2023 9:54:43 GMT -4
Just complete spitballing here but does anyone think we actually have a better core to compete in 25-26 than next season? Burbidge (20) F Daigle (20) D Lavoie (19) D Waugh (19) D Desjardins (19) D Aucoin (19) F Shields (19) F Milota (19) G Ricard (18) F Pilling (18) F Murphy (18) D Toussaint F (18) Wouldn't it make more sense 24-25? Couturier paid a hefty price for Schmitt. I doubt the idea was to compete when he's gone.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 31, 2023 10:56:11 GMT -4
Just complete spitballing here but does anyone think we actually have a better core to compete in 25-26 than next season? Burbidge (20) F Daigle (20) D Lavoie (19) D Waugh (19) D Desjardins (19) D Aucoin (19) F Shields (19) F Milota (19) G Ricard (18) F Pilling (18) F Murphy (18) D Toussaint F (18) Wouldn't it make more sense 24-25? Couturier paid a hefty price for Schmitt. I doubt the idea was to compete when he's gone. 24-25 only makes sense because of moves like that. The young core was always going to be a 25-26 peak unless they were traded for 24-25. People forget how bad this organization looked on draft day of 2022 when Lavoie was picked. Patience that resulted in 24-25 being a test run for a peak in 25-26 when those 2022 picks were 19 always made the most sense but we immediately got off the plan when ownership decided they wanted to win now. Wanting to win at this level before you're ready usually ends up in disaster to some degree.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Aug 31, 2023 11:20:54 GMT -4
Does the team retain the rights of players reassigned, or is the reassignment a release from the team? Just wondering about this to see if a reassigned player can be picked up by another Q team, or if their rights have to be traded first. I think most draft picks are retained via a protected list the teams put out every year, free agent invites who are reassigned are put back into the free agent pool unless signed to an affiliate deal or standard player contract.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Aug 31, 2023 11:28:39 GMT -4
Just complete spitballing here but does anyone think we actually have a better core to compete in 25-26 than next season? Burbidge (20) F Daigle (20) D Lavoie (19) D Waugh (19) D Desjardins (19) D Aucoin (19) F Shields (19) F Milota (19) G Ricard (18) F Pilling (18) F Murphy (18) D Toussaint F (18) Wouldn't it make more sense 24-25? Couturier paid a hefty price for Schmitt. I doubt the idea was to compete when he's gone. I like Schmitt more than alot of people in the forum, think he has great potential. If he continues developing as a top 2-4 D man for the next two seasons its not really a bad deal for what we paid. We could definitely position ourselves for a deep run next year. I just feel like our 2006/2007 group has even more elite potential than our 2005/2006 group. Close to a dozen 2006/2007s will be coming into peak form as impact 18/19s in the 2025-2026 season, all drafted and developed here. Holes will need to be filled via trade as always but it would need much less work in terms of assets spent.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 31, 2023 11:57:19 GMT -4
Wouldn't it make more sense 24-25? Couturier paid a hefty price for Schmitt. I doubt the idea was to compete when he's gone. I like Schmitt more than alot of people in the forum, think he has great potential. If he continues developing as a top 2-4 D man for the next two seasons its not really a bad deal for what we paid. We could definitely position ourselves for a deep run next year. I just feel like our 2006/2007 group has even more elite potential than our 2005/2006 group. Close to a dozen 2006/2007s will be coming into peak form as impact 18/19s in the 2025-2026 season, all drafted and developed here. Holes will need to be filled via trade as always but it would need much less work in terms of assets spent. Take away all the short term fixes added from say the 2022 draft to the 2023 draft and there's a lot more assets and likely more younger players in the system making that plan even more logical. Once we abandoned that we basically decided to try and win when our developing core isn't quite ready meaning trading very deep is the only solution. How players like Satny, Biggar, Roy, Cote, Bergeron, etc fit into that makes little sense to me. And this isn't a hindsight thing. I said it from day 1. Said it when Desruisseaux had no ice time. It just seemed so obvious in terms of what the proper plan should have been. We all love Squires. He alone as a 19yr old isn't enough to build around. Just imagine the core patience could have delivered. Not even hard to see it. There's younger higher end kids and more picks. But uneducated owners get to dictate their own direction. They just expect us to pay their bills becomes the problem.
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