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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 13:11:38 GMT -4
I don't think the 06/07 pipeline in Cape is even close to what we currently have in 05/06's.
Where I do agree is that our potential 20's in 2 years will be night day to our 20's we have lined up for next year.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 31, 2023 13:29:02 GMT -4
I don't think the 06/07 pipeline in Cape is even close to what we currently have in 05/06's. Where I do agree is that our potential 20's in 2 years will be night day to our 20's we have lined up for next year. And a lot can change in 2 years when it comes to overagers. Look at how many go for big prices at 20 who were still figuring it out at 18. The danger in buying early isn't just that you get your guy and he's passed by someone else. It's that management tries to pivot and upgrade and pay even more because ultimately they bought too early. As good as Schmitt can be...the harm in waiting it out was what? Not getting swept by Halifax? Picking higher? Having more assets? It just seemed short sighted to me. If he's an elite #1 D at 20...great. But i'd rather do like Halifax last year and buy the best 20 in the moment. Not try and do it 2 years out...thats just added risk that isn't necessary for a non-contender like we were last year
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Post by hal on Aug 31, 2023 13:33:36 GMT -4
The Price they paid for Schmidt and Burbridge ..........it should be more of paying for a Finished Product as opposed to paying for Potential .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 13:39:28 GMT -4
The Price they paid for Schmidt and Burbridge ..........it should be more of paying for a Finished Product as opposed to paying for Potential . I think it should be pretty clear why we paid what we paid for Burbidge, I think he was always a target, but the news Sly received in July expedited the process. With that said, I am confident this one will go down as a good move.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 13:46:23 GMT -4
I don't think the 06/07 pipeline in Cape is even close to what we currently have in 05/06's. Where I do agree is that our potential 20's in 2 years will be night day to our 20's we have lined up for next year. And a lot can change in 2 years when it comes to overagers. Look at how many go for big prices at 20 who were still figuring it out at 18. The danger in buying early isn't just that you get your guy and he's passed by someone else. It's that management tries to pivot and upgrade and pay even more because ultimately they bought too early. As good as Schmitt can be...the harm in waiting it out was what? Not getting swept by Halifax? Picking higher? Having more assets? It just seemed short sighted to me. If he's an elite #1 D at 20...great. But i'd rather do like Halifax last year and buy the best 20 in the moment. Not try and do it 2 years out...thats just added risk that isn't necessary for a non-contender like we were last year I can agree with that, but the gamble of waiting is still there. Halifax is trying to do the same thing again this year the prospect pool is not near as deep, the good 03's are real good and gone, the 2nd tier is not nearly as good as last year. The calculated risk depends on league wide depth and where the good 20's are located, some find themselves on the contender they were build around.
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Post by Citris on Aug 31, 2023 13:52:37 GMT -4
The Price they paid for Schmidt and Burbridge ..........it should be more of paying for a Finished Product as opposed to paying for Potential . Buying players early isn't necessarily a bad thing. Remember that this is exactly how Quebec built their Memorial cup team last year, Bolduc and Rochette were both pieces picked up well in advance of their run. I'm not saying Burbidge or Schmidt are as good as those two, but the idea of bringing in players early and building that winning culture and chemistry is a sound one. What happened with Newcombe is horrible, obviously the first priority is that he's able to beat his cancer, but for the kid and for the team, you hope he's able to come back and play at some point too.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 31, 2023 15:02:25 GMT -4
The Price they paid for Schmidt and Burbridge ..........it should be more of paying for a Finished Product as opposed to paying for Potential . Buying players early isn't necessarily a bad thing. Remember that this is exactly how Quebec built their Memorial cup team last year, Bolduc and Rochette were both pieces picked up well in advance of their run. I'm not saying Burbidge or Schmidt are as good as those two, but the idea of bringing in players early and building that winning culture and chemistry is a sound one. What happened with Newcombe is horrible, obviously the first priority is that he's able to beat his cancer, but for the kid and for the team, you hope he's able to come back and play at some point too. I don't think you would hear 1 complaint of adding a Bolduc. NHL 1st rounders are who you win with at this level. There's a long ways from a Bolduc to undrafted players like Schmitt. I keep seeing the comparison made in terms of buying early but there's never a discussion of the skill gap that an NHL 1st rounder has compared to an undrafted D who scored 1 goal in half a season and barely put up more than .5 ppg with top 4 ice time at 18 and generally played very average in the playoffs vs a contender.
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Post by scotiahockey on Aug 31, 2023 15:37:23 GMT -4
The Price they paid for Schmidt and Burbridge ..........it should be more of paying for a Finished Product as opposed to paying for Potential . Again no problem with the Burbidge trade, he’s a good player who fits the timeline they’re going for.
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Post by hal on Aug 31, 2023 17:22:18 GMT -4
The Price they paid for Schmidt and Burbridge ..........it should be more of paying for a Finished Product as opposed to paying for Potential . Again no problem with the Burbidge trade, he’s a good player who fits the timeline they’re going for. High Prices for Players who aren't NHL Drafted or at the very least a Dominant Player . You are hoping they get to that level , I get that but it's a Hefty Price to pay for Potential .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 1, 2023 8:14:32 GMT -4
The Price they paid for Schmidt and Burbridge ..........it should be more of paying for a Finished Product as opposed to paying for Potential . Again no problem with the Burbidge trade, he’s a good player who fits the timeline they’re going for. I think you'll find most view it this way. That move made a lot of sense. He fits in well with our core age group. High price is fine is the player performs and I believe he will do well.
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Post by blueeagle on Sept 1, 2023 10:40:45 GMT -4
Again no problem with the Burbidge trade, he’s a good player who fits the timeline they’re going for. High Prices for Players who aren't NHL Drafted or at the very least a Dominant Player . You are hoping they get to that level , I get that but it's a Hefty Price to pay for Potential . The fact that he isn't NHL drafted is precisely why this is a good deal though. It actually makes him worth more in this case. He is someone you could potentially get 3 years (or high market value) out of, and you won't find many better players in the league that you can say that of. He isn't supposed to be a Bolduc or a 1st round superstar. It's an entirely different type of trade, a type I actually really like. Schmidt is the same logic, but we with less term by half a year, and a lower floor AND ceiling so I get why that one is a little more divisive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 10:45:30 GMT -4
Exactly, I think we all agree the Burbidge deal is already better on paper. But, with that said, the season hasn't started yet and the opportunity is right there in front of Schmidt to knock it out of the park.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 1, 2023 10:47:31 GMT -4
High Prices for Players who aren't NHL Drafted or at the very least a Dominant Player . You are hoping they get to that level , I get that but it's a Hefty Price to pay for Potential . The fact that he isn't NHL drafted is precisely why this is a good deal though. It actually makes him worth more in this case. He is someone you could potentially get 3 years (or high market value) out of, and you won't find many better players in the league that you can say that of. He isn't supposed to be a Bolduc or a 1st round superstar. It's an entirely different type of trade, a type I actually really like. Schmidt is the same logic, but we with less term by half a year, and a lower floor AND ceiling so I get why that one is a little more divisive. Exactly. If Schmitt brought more impact or had a high NHL draft showing it's a different trade. He didn't have a great 2nd half here. He was trying to do too much with a very young D core around him. Ideally he settles in as a #2/3 guy and has less pressure on him and we see a better rounded player this upcoming season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 10:55:34 GMT -4
A mid season trade walking into a Goyens cluster fuk was likely not easy to "settle in" to. When no one knows their role, it's a hard game to play. It's a fresh start for all these guys.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 1, 2023 11:02:31 GMT -4
A mid season trade walking into a Goyens cluster fuk was likely not easy to "settle in" to. When no one knows their role, it's a hard game to play. It's a fresh start for all these guys. People can endlessly shit on Goyens and will, clearly, but to not attach a middling owner to that is just trying to use the coach as a scapegoat. They brought Goyens into year 1 of a rebuild around a #1 overall pick and no organization depth and 25 games in told him to start winning. Who can do a good job when the expectations are so unrealistic and the goal posts change so drastically from June to November? It's not like it was an unexpected .700 team. The owner just seen empty seats and thought he could flip a switch. Everyone was let down by that direction change. It never made sense.
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