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Post by blueeagle on Sept 1, 2023 11:04:00 GMT -4
Yeah I'm somewhere between the two of you on Schmidtt. For me, whether or not that is an ok trade is basically out of his hands.
I think we know what we have in him. It totally depends on where we are next year and what happens around him as to whether or not that move can be justified. He'll be a very solid 20 in this league. But we won't know if it was at all worth that price until we see if we are true contenders when he's 20.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 12:04:42 GMT -4
A mid season trade walking into a Goyens cluster fuk was likely not easy to "settle in" to. When no one knows their role, it's a hard game to play. It's a fresh start for all these guys. People can endlessly shit on Goyens and will, clearly, but to not attach a middling owner to that is just trying to use the coach as a scapegoat. They brought Goyens into year 1 of a rebuild around a #1 overall pick and no organization depth and 25 games in told him to start winning. Who can do a good job when the expectations are so unrealistic and the goal posts change so drastically from June to November? It's not like it was an unexpected .700 team. The owner just seen empty seats and thought he could flip a switch. Everyone was let down by that direction change. It never made sense. Did you just put Goyens inability to run a hockey club back on Management? For the hire maybe, but not for the way he runs a bench, uses his staff, develops his players , he had everyone in that locker room pulling in a different direction. There were 9 vacancies in the off season, enough said, let's not mention that name again, I am sorry for bringing it up.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 1, 2023 12:27:11 GMT -4
People can endlessly shit on Goyens and will, clearly, but to not attach a middling owner to that is just trying to use the coach as a scapegoat. They brought Goyens into year 1 of a rebuild around a #1 overall pick and no organization depth and 25 games in told him to start winning. Who can do a good job when the expectations are so unrealistic and the goal posts change so drastically from June to November? It's not like it was an unexpected .700 team. The owner just seen empty seats and thought he could flip a switch. Everyone was let down by that direction change. It never made sense. Did you just put Goyens inability to run a hockey club back on Management? For the hire maybe, but not for the way he runs a bench, uses his staff, develops his players , he had everyone in that locker room pulling in a different direction. There were 9 vacancies in the off season, enough said, let's not mention that name again, I am sorry for bringing it up. You can think he did a bad job and acknowledge he was put in a position to do nothing but that is all I am saying. The ownership owns some blame for the pulling in different direction stuff as well as vacancies...burnout leads to change. Goyens owns his own personal relationship stuff and some of the pulling in direction stuff. Just a bad match all around. But we still have some of the same people here as well so hopefully the changes mean some instant results here coming in to this year.
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Post by jordo999 on Sept 1, 2023 13:01:12 GMT -4
I see Schmitt as a perfect #3 guy on a contender, he reminds me of Adam Holwell in Bathurst to compliment Galipeau and Dobson the year we won the cup. Sure he still has time to take that next step but I think he's better suited as a 2nd pairing guy so it is a high price to pay.
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Post by hal on Sept 5, 2023 7:58:12 GMT -4
Wouldn't Cameron Whynot who played with the Mooseheads been an attractive 20 year old Defenceman option for a lot of Q Teams ? The Eagles ?
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Post by dogshockeyfan on Sept 5, 2023 8:18:42 GMT -4
You would think so... I can't see Whynot
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Post by scotiahockey on Sept 5, 2023 9:10:17 GMT -4
Wouldn't Cameron Whynot who played with the Mooseheads been an attractive 20 year old Defenceman option for a lot of Q Teams ? The Eagles ? If he plays, his on the ice skill is definitely a help to most teams. There’s reasons Halifax didn’t want him back though.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 5, 2023 9:27:54 GMT -4
Wouldn't Cameron Whynot who played with the Mooseheads been an attractive 20 year old Defenceman option for a lot of Q Teams ? The Eagles ? Is he an upgrade on Shortall? Seems more like a lateral move to me...might as well stick with the player you know if its not a big upgrade.
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Post by hal on Sept 5, 2023 9:50:25 GMT -4
Calgary Flames chose not to sign him after drafting him in the 3rd Round and he couldn't find a Job as a 20 in the Q , so he has gone home to the Valley to play for Acadia being a Local Kid from Kentville .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 5, 2023 9:59:26 GMT -4
Calgary Flames chose not to sign him after drafting him in the 3rd Round and he couldn't find a Job as a 20 in the Q , so he has gone home to the Valley to play for Acadia being a Local Kid from Kentville . Couldn't find a job? Everything indicates there's more thats not being discussed publicly about the player. I don't think it's near as simple as there was no room for him. Look at how weak this crop of 20's is.
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Post by Citris on Sept 5, 2023 10:20:50 GMT -4
In terms of talent alone Whynot is one of the best 2003s in the crop.
Ignoring off-ice issues, Even just in terms of of on-ice performance, it's hard to give a 20 spot to a guy you can't count on to be healthy. Whynot has been injury prone his whole career and seems to get injured at the worst times ontop of it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 5, 2023 10:45:57 GMT -4
In terms of talent alone Whynot is one of the best 2003s in the crop. Ignoring off-ice issues, Even just in terms of of on-ice performance, it's hard to give a 20 spot to a guy you can't count on to be healthy. Whynot has been injury prone his whole career and seems to get injured at the worst times ontop of it. Yeah there's a good argument to be made for him playing on a very deep D core last year as a reason for his production as well. Comparing production and the "who you know" stuff it seems like an easy call to stick with the Shortall you know over the Whynot you don't. Both likely fill the same role here as a #4/5 D whose off ice role is as important as the on ice stuff.
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Post by scotiahockey on Sept 5, 2023 12:18:29 GMT -4
In terms of talent alone Whynot is one of the best 2003s in the crop. Ignoring off-ice issues, Even just in terms of of on-ice performance, it's hard to give a 20 spot to a guy you can't count on to be healthy. Whynot has been injury prone his whole career and seems to get injured at the worst times ontop of it. Yeah there's a good argument to be made for him playing on a very deep D core last year as a reason for his production as well. Comparing production and the "who you know" stuff it seems like an easy call to stick with the Shortall you know over the Whynot you don't. Both likely fill the same role here as a #4/5 D whose off ice role is as important as the on ice stuff. Whynot is a lot better than Shortall is, I think he’d actually be the Eagles best defenceman from an on-ice talent perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 12:25:39 GMT -4
A lot better then Shortall at what? You can't look at just skill and leave out the intangibles that make up a hockey player. I am taking Shortall 100% of the time over Whynot, not even close in my mind.
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Post by Citris on Sept 5, 2023 12:45:09 GMT -4
A lot better then Shortall at what? You can't look at just skill and leave out the intangibles that make up a hockey player. I am taking Shortall 100% of the time over Whynot, not even close in my mind. "From an on-ice talent perspective" was pretty clearly stated. In terms of raw talent alone, Whynot would be the Eagles best Defenseman, he'd likely be the Mooseheads best as well. But, yea, nobody is disagreeing with you in terms of who you'd rather have on a team. There's a reason Whynot is not on the Mooseheads and hasn't been traded.
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