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Post by hal on Jun 12, 2023 20:06:28 GMT -4
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Post by eagleeye on Jun 12, 2023 21:50:44 GMT -4
who is at fault with the current condition of centre 200 , cbrm and other governments or did i miss somebody
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 12, 2023 23:48:36 GMT -4
who is at fault with the current condition of centre 200 , cbrm and other governments or did i miss somebody Nobody is at fault. There's just about a thousand higher priorities then spending on a building that's still capable of hosting high end events including national and global level curling events for weeks at a time. Can I just get a team capable of threatening in the Q every 3-4 years? All this over a 1 week tournament you host once. Lets at least pretend we want to be an above average Q team before we think we're on a national championship level with this operation. For what this community is and needs 99% of the time C200 is fine. Some audio improvements, concession upgrades, newer seats, upgraded amenities for players...there will always be newer and better to spend on and over time you throw some money at that stuff. But we just had an entire season where it was only about 60% full on 2 occassions I believe. There is no other major tenant. Irwin wants an NHL training camp...who is getting those around the Maritimes? Halifax is...Halifax. Moncton has a brand new building. They're not getting NHL camps on any sort of normal basis. So much of this seems like its based on a fantasy land that we're $15 million in upgrades from getting the good team we deserve and a building full of concerts, trade shows, and NHL training camps.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 12, 2023 23:57:34 GMT -4
I kind of slammed the media the other day for letting these guys off so easily when they're doing so many questionable things. That entire article is about how C200 needs upgrades. But the key thing is in the first paragraph and never discussed again: The first thing is you have to have the right teamWe are coming out of draft weekend and this is the owners topic of choice. Not the #1 factor involved in winning a Memorial Cup. But the things holding him back from his back door entry into one.
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Post by hal on Jun 13, 2023 4:14:14 GMT -4
C200's Salary Structure for their Management and what their responsibilities are and what they deliver to the Community is Way out of Whack , which doesn't help things either . C200's Operating Costs are 7 figures a year in the Red ...Imagine No Junior Team playing there ? .........No wonder Selling the Place is tabled every year at Council .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 13, 2023 8:20:53 GMT -4
C200's Salary Structure for their Management and what their responsibilities are and what they deliver to the Community is Way out of Whack , which doesn't help things either . C200's Operating Costs are 7 figures a year in the Red ...Imagine No Junior Team playing there ? .........No wonder Selling the Place is tabled every year at Council . The problem with selling it is you still need a place like that for the community. But selling it comes with a huge downside. #1 you have it to use for any reason you need right now. Zero control over availability and pricing after a private sale. #2 is you have control over the maintenance. You don't if you sell it. This isn't a $250K home we're talking about. Would you rather keep it, maintain it, and have access to it. Or not and risk at any time over the next 25 years a private owner completely letting it go and the CBRM eventually taking it back over it a dilapidated state and being forced to sink millions into it just to keep it running? Look at how disruptive not having the rink in Glace Bay was to their community and minor hockey. Now image that's C200 in 20 years and we need 2-3 years of reno's just to make the building useable again.
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Post by jamesnorris on Jun 13, 2023 10:23:12 GMT -4
I find it hilarious that we're even discussing the memorial cup in CB.
It's like going to a personal trainer and telling him your goal is to get a better scale that will tell you you're 50lbs lighter than you are.
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Post by JEagle on Jun 13, 2023 20:40:41 GMT -4
Uh..huh....sure you do Irwin.
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Post by scotiahockey on Jun 13, 2023 22:39:31 GMT -4
Uh..huh....sure you do Irwin. Very tone deaf comments by him. I’m not in the community so I can’t comment on what it’s like to be someone who supports the team but it’s easy to see the dysfunction and lack of direction with the organization. I think, that’s what would be the most frustrating part of the whole scenario. No matter who owns the team or is hired to run it, they end up back in the same scenario. Stop trying to beat the cycle of junior hockey, stop trying to buy from the bottom and make shortcuts to be competitive. I think if you did it the right way, you’d have a lot more support from the community. So congrats on cutting the cheques but when you let the same people who ran it poorly before, make or help make decisions on how to run the franchise now, it’s hard to expect a different result. Someone obviously wanted Sly there, I’m sure the owner didn’t court him personally and Sly probably has a direction from ownership on what they want but it’s hard for me to feel sorry for the owner when you’re doing the exact same thing that hasn’t worked time and time again for this team. I don’t think anyone can sit here today and say they have a more promising future (in regards to building a contender) than they did the year they finished last. You didn’t hire a GM with a track record of doing it the proper way, you hired one who trades for the sake of trading and hasn’t proven he can build a contender from the position this team was in. If I was a fan, I’d be insulted that the owner thinks he understands the struggles of the fan base when he’s allowed the incompetence to take place under his watch. Ultimately with the realization that if you don’t support a poorly run organization, you may not have any organization to support. It’s a very tough spot to be put in.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 13, 2023 23:41:44 GMT -4
Uh..huh....sure you do Irwin. Very tone deaf comments by him. I’m not in the community so I can’t comment on what it’s like to be someone who supports the team but it’s easy to see the dysfunction and lack of direction with the organization. I think, that’s what would be the most frustrating part of the whole scenario. No matter who owns the team or is hired to run it, they end up back in the same scenario. Stop trying to beat the cycle of junior hockey, stop trying to buy from the bottom and make shortcuts to be competitive. I think if you did it the right way, you’d have a lot more support from the community. So congrats on cutting the cheques but when you let the same people who ran it poorly before, make or help make decisions on how to run the franchise now, it’s hard to expect a different result. Someone obviously wanted Sly there, I’m sure the owner didn’t court him personally and Sly probably has a direction from ownership on what they want but it’s hard for me to feel sorry for the owner when you’re doing the exact same thing that hasn’t worked time and time again for this team. I don’t think anyone can sit here today and say they have a more promising future (in regards to building a contender) than they did the year they finished last. You didn’t hire a GM with a track record of doing it the proper way, you hired one who trades for the sake of trading and hasn’t proven he can build a contender from the position this team was in. If I was a fan, I’d be insulted that the owner thinks he understands the struggles of the fan base when he’s allowed the incompetence to take place under his watch. Ultimately with the realization that if you don’t support a poorly run organization, you may not have any organization to support. It’s a very tough spot to be put in. The words combined with the actions make it very easy to decide to not drop $1200 on 2 adult season tickets if you're someone at all on the fence based on the teams direction. Long term if the fans never come back...it's not the markets fault. Any market can only stomach so much losing. We already basically accept that our best case outlook is a good team every 3-4 years...maybe 2 consecutive if a few things go right. But we can't even get that here. We've seen what this market will support if you give them a team to grow with and support. Draft and develop, stop the short cuts, make smart and calculated moves on the draft floor and in trade talks and suddenly good things start to happen. It's an easy blueprint...Charlottetown generally executes it well for a smaller market. This market is basically at an all time low right now and the owner who has created the mess and pushed the terrible culture is telling fans to stick it because he's the one paying the bills. He'll be paying a few more of them without the money of the people he turns off with his comment.
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Post by Citris on Jun 14, 2023 0:43:16 GMT -4
Uh..huh....sure you do Irwin. Typical rich dude entitlement. Just because you're paying the bills doesn't mean you know anything about your product or your market. In fact it makes you far more likely to be out-of-touch with us normies who don't have a couple million kickin' around. There needs to be a winning culture built in Cape Breton and he certainly doesn't seem to understand how to make that happen, and unfortunately right now seems to be in the process of locking the Eagles into more long-term mediocrity. There is no one winning formula, but, constantly trading down in the draft and then giving up on prospects/driving them out of town within a year certainly aint' it. Acquiring decent complimentary players and trying to make them the backbone of your team certainly isn't either. Like do I like Jacob Newcombe and Brayden Schmitt? Absolutely. Do I think they're likely to be THE core pieces of a competitive team? Probably not, no. These are the kind of guys you add when you've already got a strong foundation, not when you're at the bottom of the league and hoping to win a few more games. I look at the Eagles next year and it's like, is this even a top 9 team in an 18 team league? Can anyone say with confidence it is? I know I'm not saying anything people here don't already know, but... that's part of what makes it so frustrating. This isn't that hard to fix. Anyone who's been following the league more than a 5 years could probably figure it out, so why does it keep happening?
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Post by hal on Jun 14, 2023 3:20:36 GMT -4
Why does it keep happening .......one reason is that he is actually fixated on competing with Halifax . He cannot understand why if The Mooseheads can draw 10,000 fans ..........Why we can't draw 5000 ? .......and to get there he is willing to take Short Cuts , to try to speed things up and not within a traditional cycle . These comments will not earn him any fans here though .....
" Mr Simon , " The Season Ticket Holders and Die Hard Fans that have been here since Day 1 , have a helluva lot more understanding of the Frustration with the Underachieving of this Club , then anyone ...........including the Guy that pays the Bills" .
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Post by classiccaper on Jun 14, 2023 7:04:09 GMT -4
I get the vibes like we are basically the Arizona Coyotes or the Oakland A's of the Q.
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Post by bois on Jun 14, 2023 8:36:31 GMT -4
one could argue that you guys are the ones paying the bills
or at least used to be
really bad look here by the dude
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 14, 2023 8:45:30 GMT -4
one could argue that you guys are the ones paying the bills or at least used to be really bad look here by the dude He clearly thinks we should eat up whatever junk he wants to serve us as a product and do so opinion free and with a smile on our face. All we want is normal. Not above average. Not better then X market. We just want an average Q team where once every 5 years or so we can believe we may actually have a competitive team able to win a couple of rounds. At this point I see zero reason to support the product. And I was already someone down to a handful of games every year because the games lack intensity, emotion, and outside of supporting a local product I find little enjoyment in the on ice product itself. So when those games also start coming with attitude from the "New York based local owner" it's an easy decision to spend my select entertainment dollars elsewhere. If I didn't attend an Eagles game from 2010 until right now what have I missed? Seriously....1 competitive 2nd round series. 1 NHL top 5 pick. Drake Batherson coming out of nowhere. 6 weeks of a contender in 2020. We've had more top 5 picks turn us down than we've had playoff runs in the last 13 years.
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