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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 15, 2023 14:50:38 GMT -4
And financially the longer term play seems like the smarter move vs the mistake of buying when you shouldn't which can cripple your revenue for years and require you to earn back the trust of ticket buyers. As a fan for 20+ years I feel like many of the long and drawn out rebuilds came from complete all in pushes that in some cases made no sense as there was never a core in place to win and a team just decided they wanted to win anyway and it blows up and fans have no payoff of success ahead of a period of bad hockey and no draft pick reward. The league and the teams still don't get that to many fans losing is ok if there is a reward for it. But if you finish in last place and Victoriaville has your draft pick it's like an added kick to the balls for people who follow closely. Yeah the year CB had the Mooseheads 1st overall pick and drafted James Sheppard really sucked. Am I remembering that correctly? Yes that pick brought Guenette, Bernier, and Picard back to Halifax.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 15, 2023 14:52:40 GMT -4
And financially the longer term play seems like the smarter move vs the mistake of buying when you shouldn't which can cripple your revenue for years and require you to earn back the trust of ticket buyers. As a fan for 20+ years I feel like many of the long and drawn out rebuilds came from complete all in pushes that in some cases made no sense as there was never a core in place to win and a team just decided they wanted to win anyway and it blows up and fans have no payoff of success ahead of a period of bad hockey and no draft pick reward. The league and the teams still don't get that to many fans losing is ok if there is a reward for it. But if you finish in last place and Victoriaville has your draft pick it's like an added kick to the balls for people who follow closely. I'm not saying it would be a bad idea to trade away players this year to build for the future, but... I'm just extremely skeptical it happens. I mean, we have a new owner in charge, and although he seems to be pretty engaged, I don't think he'd have that kind of foresight given his level of experience. I don't really see Cam Russell trying to push him on the idea, either. From a marketing standpoint it's the 30th season... which I suppose you can look at one of two ways - 1 - It's a big season and you want fans to come to the rink and see a winner. 2 - It's the 30th season, and that can help sell tickets even if a team is hovering around .500 I think that's the other weird thing about the Moose this year, even without Dumais and Furlong they won't be a BAD team, they'd just be... well starved for offense. They lack depth either way. I'm sure it doesn't happen for the same reasons as you. It being the 30th year shouldn't dictate a thing beyond spending some money for some special things to celebrate it. But that milestone shouldnt play into direction at all.
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Post by rookieq on Jun 15, 2023 22:20:17 GMT -4
That is a great thread and it is hard to answer.
As much as i want this year to be a Championship year, we have a lot of work to do to become the best team.
I can’t see Dumais being traded, almost impossible.
1. Dumais will beat all Moose points and goals records and should have his jersey in the rafter. I can’t see Cam trading him during the Holidays for whatever reason. Trading the Moose all time points producer would be big.
2. Dumais is a drafted player and we know that it’s important for the the team in order to brag about developing future pros.
3. Dumais will likely make Team Canada. We know how Cam values this for his player.
4. New ownership want to brag about success stories going forward and Dumais will be part of their success stories to attract future stars.
5. As a fan, i’d like to get the best value of trading him, but seeing him play for a last half season is worth a lot to me…what a smart player.
I think he stays and Cam surprises us with a few Euros, good 20s and maybe other free agents to build a Championship team like the Rempart this year.
If we trade him, I hope that it will be for the best team of the league and i will be cheering for him for sure.
Drummondville might be the only team capable of doing this, i do not think that Victo or Rouyn could pull this off.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 16, 2023 8:59:19 GMT -4
I feel like I’m the guy who started the whole is this team really a contender and if not we should trade Dumais, and maybe Furlong too. I looked at the league standing to see what team could give Halifax a run for their money. The truth is Halifax should really walk away with first place in this Conference with maybe only finding one better than average 20yo. Sure everybody got better but the combination of Halifax actually taking a step back and then taken steps forward Halifax is still that much further ahead.
After saying all that things can still happen after all the game is played on the ice. The talk about Drummondville being a maybe trade partner I don’t disagree with but maybe the return. Do we forget they just got Gauthier? If Dumais is traded to Drummondville I don’t see it not including Gauthier as a future. Also if Dumais is traded it would never be one for one. It would look something like this.
At Christmas Halifax will more than likely get. To Hal: 1st Drum 24 1st Drum 25 2nd Drum 24 2nd Monc 25
Drum: Dumais 5th Hal
At the draft you will see
To Hal: Gauthier
To Drum: 1st Drum 24 2nd Drum 24 2nd Mon 24
The 2025 1st from Drummondville could be a top pick.
In saying all that I don’t think he gets trade just because the Conference all got better, it doesn’t have a 2023 Quebec team in it. They don’t have a 2023 Halifax for that matter. who ever is 2nd or 3rd in the conference has a very good chance of going to final 4.
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Post by canbeer on Jun 17, 2023 0:34:00 GMT -4
There would certainly be some reasons to consider moving a contender back one year.
Vidicek, Schultz and Rousseau would be one of the best 20 year old trios the Moose have had. The idea of 19 year olds Mackinnon and Cataford on a contender is appealing, they’ll be a force. D and goaltending will be solid. May just need some depth on D And it gives Crosby, Peitzsche and the depth another year to grow.
To really consider something like that or for it to really work out there’s probably a few things that would need to happen.
They would need to hit a home run on at least one multi year euro and getting two solid guys would be huge. Having prospects Fontaine and maybe Boucher/couple others in the mix show that they’re ready. Kilfoil showing up.
If those pieces came together it could build an argument for moving Dumais but a team would have to step up and make a big, compelling offer. A top end non 20 year old forward as a future would have to be the starting point probably along with either a 1st or good prospect as a minimum. I don’t see a 1 for 1 getting it done. Furlong would be another big chip and help stock the pick cupboards. Teams would be asking about MacPhee as well.
That said… Don’t see the Moose trading the league MVP away from a top team in their 30th anniversary season as he’s setting all time franchise scoring records in the first full year with a new owner.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 19, 2023 13:39:38 GMT -4
There would certainly be some reasons to consider moving a contender back one year. Vidicek, Schultz and Rousseau would be one of the best 20 year old trios the Moose have had. The idea of 19 year olds Mackinnon and Cataford on a contender is appealing, they’ll be a force. D and goaltending will be solid. May just need some depth on D And it gives Crosby, Peitzsche and the depth another year to grow. To really consider something like that or for it to really work out there’s probably a few things that would need to happen. They would need to hit a home run on at least one multi year euro and getting two solid guys would be huge. Having prospects Fontaine and maybe Boucher/couple others in the mix show that they’re ready. Kilfoil showing up. If those pieces came together it could build an argument for moving Dumais but a team would have to step up and make a big, compelling offer. A top end non 20 year old forward as a future would have to be the starting point probably along with either a 1st or good prospect as a minimum. I don’t see a 1 for 1 getting it done. Furlong would be another big chip and help stock the pick cupboards. Teams would be asking about MacPhee as well. That said… Don’t see the Moose trading the league MVP away from a top team in their 30th anniversary season as he’s setting all time franchise scoring records in the first full year with a new owner. Here the crazy part of it. Last year it was so apparent that Both Quebec and Halifax should be top of each’s division and thus the conference. This year o one dethroning Halifax but who is picking up the slack for Quebec? There’s really no team in the division that screams they’re number one. After saying all this unless the wheels fall completely off for Halifax a Dumais trade looks more and more unlikely. In saying all that now for it to happen who ever looks to buy him will have to do exactly that. Buy him and I mean over pay grossly.
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Post by sc74 on Jun 19, 2023 14:52:43 GMT -4
That thread reminds me that a year ago some Remparts fans suggested they should be sellers.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Apr 5, 2024 21:58:15 GMT -4
I’ve been in Montreal the last few days ( thank God) and was keeping quiet until I got back but with the word that not only Dumais but also Furlong asked to be traded and the fact that presently I am getting shitfaced I thought this thread deserved a bump!!!!
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