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Post by coleminer on Jul 14, 2023 8:51:01 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 14, 2023 14:09:57 GMT -4
Really not at all shocking.
By the end of their NHL deal they put themselves in the position that the national American broadcast had trumped them in entertainment value and decorated former players showing considerably more personality. They've made the Canadian broadcast not only stale from a content perspective but insufferable with the gambling angle...and I'm a gambler.
The only thing they're still just as well are those video montages that start every Saturday night. Everything else has just gotten progressively worse for the most part.
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Post by Mika on Jul 14, 2023 15:30:25 GMT -4
Ron MacLean isn't too shocking, that seemed like a matter of when it would happen. Bieksa kinda surprised me though. He seemed pretty good at the job.
If they're gonna get rid of anything though or cut back, cut back on the force feeding of gambling ads.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 17, 2023 6:51:00 GMT -4
I keep reading all this love for the US TV panel with Gretzky & Bisonette and SN is wanting to go that direction. A more casual panel. Personality not substance.
I can't watch their panel. It's just not serious enough. I think Canadian fans tune in primarily to get facts a news about the league (& game they are watching), and comic relief is further down the list of reasons to watch.
They just don't come across as serious on the American one. It may work for an audience that wants entertainment more than insight. Is that what the metrics are showing SN is needed to capture the market? Is that who all the big sports betting advertisers want to tap into?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 17, 2023 9:20:21 GMT -4
I keep reading all this love for the US TV panel with Gretzky & Bisonette and SN is wanting to go that direction. A more casual panel. Personality not substance. I can't watch their panel. It's just not serious enough. I think Canadian fans tune in primarily to get facts a news about the league (& game they are watching), and comic relief is further down the list of reasons to watch. They just don't come across as serious on the American one. It may work for an audience that wants entertainment more than insight. Is that what the metrics are showing SN is needed to capture the market? Is that who all the big sports betting advertisers want to tap into? The problem is Rogers broadcast doesn't have personality or substance. It had 1-2 good analysts on a 4 person panel. The US broadcast has hall of famers...Gretzky, Messier, Chelios...Yeah they have the Biss's for the personality but Rogers has no personality. Then toss in how the gambling stuff went all season and especially at the height of the gambling product lunches like SN bets when it was launched (then failed) and was jammed down your throat every 15 minutes or so and the Canadian broadcast was very mediocre. The only part of the entire Rogers broadcast worth keeping is Friedman's 30 thoughts which has over time replaced the 2nd intermission hot stove panel that used to be the perfect compliment to Coach's Corner. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 17, 2023 11:11:06 GMT -4
I keep reading all this love for the US TV panel with Gretzky & Bisonette and SN is wanting to go that direction. A more casual panel. Personality not substance. I can't watch their panel. It's just not serious enough. I think Canadian fans tune in primarily to get facts a news about the league (& game they are watching), and comic relief is further down the list of reasons to watch. They just don't come across as serious on the American one. It may work for an audience that wants entertainment more than insight. Is that what the metrics are showing SN is needed to capture the market? Is that who all the big sports betting advertisers want to tap into? The problem is Rogers broadcast doesn't have personality or substance. It had 1-2 good analysts on a 4 person panel. The US broadcast has hall of famers...Gretzky, Messier, Chelios...Yeah they have the Biss's for the personality but Rogers has no personality. Then toss in how the gambling stuff went all season and especially at the height of the gambling product lunches like SN bets when it was launched (then failed) and was jammed down your throat every 15 minutes or so and the Canadian broadcast was very mediocre. The only part of the entire Rogers broadcast worth keeping is Friedman's 30 thoughts which has over time replaced the 2nd intermission hot stove panel that used to be the perfect compliment to Coach's Corner. I've seen this before in other sports. Like football and basketball. More is never better. 2 guys or maybe 3 make a good insightful panel. Honestly, I go back to watching hockey in the late 70s and there is nothing Gretzky, Chelios and Messier add together bring to covering the 2023 game. They are there for their name and their legend status. They are personality. I get much more from having guys like Bruce Boudreau, Dallas Eakins for insight. Heck Cheryl Pounder is better value for analysis of the game. So I must infer from that they know most of the audience is pretty dumb and not really into x's and o's of the game. I would sign up for a broadcast with no announcers just live arena feed though. So a different breed maybe. TV sports is struggling to know who/what they are. This is across all of them. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 17, 2023 11:22:28 GMT -4
The problem is Rogers broadcast doesn't have personality or substance. It had 1-2 good analysts on a 4 person panel. The US broadcast has hall of famers...Gretzky, Messier, Chelios...Yeah they have the Biss's for the personality but Rogers has no personality. Then toss in how the gambling stuff went all season and especially at the height of the gambling product lunches like SN bets when it was launched (then failed) and was jammed down your throat every 15 minutes or so and the Canadian broadcast was very mediocre. The only part of the entire Rogers broadcast worth keeping is Friedman's 30 thoughts which has over time replaced the 2nd intermission hot stove panel that used to be the perfect compliment to Coach's Corner. I've seen this before in other sports. Like football and basketball. More is never better. 2 guys or maybe 3 make a good insightful panel. Honestly, I go back to watching hockey in the late 70s and there is nothing Gretzky, Chelios and Messier add together bring to covering the 2023 game. They are there for their name and their legend status. They are personality. I get much more from having guys like Bruce Boudreau, Dallas Eakins for insight. Heck Cheryl Pounder is better value for analysis of the game. So I must infer from that they know most of the audience is pretty dumb and not really into x's and o's of the game. I would sign up for a broadcast with no announcers just live arena feed though. So a different breed maybe. TV sports is struggling to know who/what they are. This is across all of them. Agree for sure. The Rogers panel just didn't measure up. Even to legends who are a little out of touch in 2023. Rogers is an NHL love fest and the broadcast is about marketing and not discussing the sport like it used to be. I feel the American broadcast is still a little more about talking about the sport and the good and bad of it with way more of an entertainment feel. I just want to turn on a broadcast now and hear Chris Cuthbert call a game. Over time the intermissions stuff has just become tired but I still like the 2nd intermission "rumor/gossip/story" aspect that still reminds me of the old hot stove only now Friedman does a good job of it himself. Get Bruce Boudreau into a new coaches corner. There's a weekly segment to look forward to. |
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Post by bois on Jul 17, 2023 13:47:24 GMT -4
Get the rights back to TSN and it solves itself
they never had much of a panel and it's only gotten worse overtime
i did like Bieksa.... but he is about the only new analyst they've created since they took over the national rights
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 17, 2023 14:09:43 GMT -4
Get the rights back to TSN and it solves itself they never had much of a panel and it's only gotten worse overtime i did like Bieksa.... but he is about the only new analyst they've created since they took over the national rights Bieksa was great but you nailed it...no other stars were created. That's the industry as a whole now though. And it's about to bottom out even more. All they've all collectively done during this deal in Canada is make the product worse to watch and the games equally as hard to find. Many people through the week don't know if games are national or regional until the game starts. That's not great for getting people wanting to tune in. Many of those just watch something else rather than pay for the package and still risk not getting games due to their cable package. |
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Post by JEagle on Jul 17, 2023 17:29:45 GMT -4
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Post by Score on Jul 18, 2023 14:08:29 GMT -4
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Post by hal on Jul 18, 2023 15:40:55 GMT -4
Anybody really surprised that Ron MacLean kept his Job ?
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 20, 2023 6:26:02 GMT -4
So Friedman stays, Botterill back, Bieksa back, and Ron McLean too.
Another case of a columnist (Howard Berger) igniting a rumor without any real material to back it up.
Maybe Sportnet wanted to make changes but didn't because changed minds, or couldn't come up with something better. Or maybe they are making cuts not visible to viewers. Or the columnist who started it misread the tea leaves.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 20, 2023 7:32:56 GMT -4
So Friedman stays, Botterill back, Bieksa back, and Ron McLean too. Another case of a columnist (Howard Berger) igniting a rumor without any real material to back it up. Maybe Sportnet wanted to make changes but didn't because changed minds, or couldn't come up with something better. Or maybe they are making cuts not visible to viewers. Or the columnist who started it misread the tea leaves. They could have easily upgraded McLean, seems like a nice guy but annoying as hell with his constant name drops. Pierre McGuireitis. |
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