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Post by Captain Obvious on May 5, 2024 18:07:09 GMT -4
That is too bad.... Is he injured a lot? Can he be counted on? He is the better netminder, but how often is he hurt? well I do believe he will be given a bigger chance next season, he hasn't really been injured a lot no. I see him as the better goalie than Samsonov for sure. It's easy to say with a small sample size, carrying a bigger load plus facing better teams as well as teams scout top goalies more, where to beat them and such.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 6, 2024 12:40:13 GMT -4
These year end media availabilities are infuriating in some ways.
Why can Auston Matthews not tell us what the fuck caused him to miss playoff games at this point?
"Game 4 I took a hit and couldn't go any longer. Thats as detailed as i'm going to get into it." - WHY!?!?!?!?!?! you have 6 months off. We're paying you the highest cap hit in the league as of now for next year. But we don't even get to know what injury you had when the season is over? I guess we'll get it as some after thought in an August Steve Simmons column.
These guys are talking like they lost game 7 of the Cup Final instead of another early May press gathering.
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Post by jordo999 on May 6, 2024 13:13:12 GMT -4
- Matthews - Nylander Knies - Tavares - McMann - Domi - - Holmberg - Reaves - Marner, Robertson, Bertuzzi, Jarnkrok, Gregor, Dewar, Kampf all out imo, Marner and Robertson can be good trade chips, as much as I like Bertuzzi's grit, he didn't do a whole lot in the playoffs and not sure I'd sign him long term at this point. Move Jarnkrok and Kampf for more cap space. I'd re-sign Domi, I like how he can go up or down the lineup. Minten and/or Cowan could make the squad next season too. Rielly - McCabe - Benoit - Edmundson Lyubushkin, Liljegren, Timmins, Giordano, Brodie, Klingberg, all out Liljegren similar to Robertson could bring back some trade chips and get a better position on a rebuilding team. He's not terrible by any means but we need to shake things up and get someone more reliable. Everyone else can walk and bring in different names. Re-signing Edmundson wouldn't be bad, he's a nice defensive force back there like Benoit. I also thought about maybe moving on from Rielly but unless it's a hockey trade and getting someone back of equal value it's hard to move him as the drop off after him in the lineup is rough. But he needs a more complimentary partner then Lyubushkin.. Woll Bringing in an experienced backup who can take over if Woll struggles is a good idea but it's Woll's crease to lose, he deserves the shot at #1. Honestly wish it was possible to take Ullmark from Boston but the chances of them trading within division has to be close to 0% or the price would be insane. overall regardless of what happens, this team needs a major shake up and a lot of cap coming off the books is nice as well, we can go after multiple good pieces or set up for some bigger trades. let me know what y'all think and if you disagree/agree with any of what I shared and why!
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Post by canbeer on May 6, 2024 19:54:21 GMT -4
- Matthews - Nylander Knies - Tavares - McMann - Domi - - Holmberg - Reaves - Marner, Robertson, Bertuzzi, Jarnkrok, Gregor, Dewar, Kampf all out imo, Marner and Robertson can be good trade chips, as much as I like Bertuzzi's grit, he didn't do a whole lot in the playoffs and not sure I'd sign him long term at this point. Move Jarnkrok and Kampf for more cap space. I'd re-sign Domi, I like how he can go up or down the lineup. Minten and/or Cowan could make the squad next season too. Rielly - McCabe - Benoit - Edmundson Lyubushkin, Liljegren, Timmins, Giordano, Brodie, Klingberg, all out Liljegren similar to Robertson could bring back some trade chips and get a better position on a rebuilding team. He's not terrible by any means but we need to shake things up and get someone more reliable. Everyone else can walk and bring in different names. Re-signing Edmundson wouldn't be bad, he's a nice defensive force back there like Benoit. I also thought about maybe moving on from Rielly but unless it's a hockey trade and getting someone back of equal value it's hard to move him as the drop off after him in the lineup is rough. But he needs a more complimentary partner then Lyubushkin.. Woll Bringing in an experienced backup who can take over if Woll struggles is a good idea but it's Woll's crease to lose, he deserves the shot at #1. Honestly wish it was possible to take Ullmark from Boston but the chances of them trading within division has to be close to 0% or the price would be insane. overall regardless of what happens, this team needs a major shake up and a lot of cap coming off the books is nice as well, we can go after multiple good pieces or set up for some bigger trades. let me know what y'all think and if you disagree/agree with any of what I shared and why! Agree with most of it, seems like Mariner’s time needs to be done but I don’t think they’ll make a snap decision and discount his value. I’d prefer to see Domi and Bertuzzi back but the cost needs to be favourable. Kampf and Jarnkrok are both signed for a few year with 10 team no trade clauses. Not great years but ok fairly inexpensive depth. Either way for me… maybe if they think Minten and Cowan are going to be ready they can move the other two and save $2.7m or so. Robertson is an interesting one, somewhat of a breakout season… 20 goal pace. Would need to be signed, might be an aspect of do they think he’s got another level vs. what value would he have. On D it’s good that they have both McCabe and Benoit still signed, like them both. Agree on Edmundson and if they can’t get him signed open to Lyubushkin. Brodie and 5m is off the books so that helps Gut feeling says when free agency opens up that Zadorov is a target. I think they’ll be after a top end guy but as a secondary aspect of what they could use, Zadorov would be a good fit on that team.
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Post by scotiahockey on May 6, 2024 20:00:50 GMT -4
There’s a thousand ways you could break down this Leafs team and what they need to do but I think it has to start at the top.
Shanahan has been at the top for 10 years now. They have nothing to show for it. Everyone can blame the coach or GM but make no mistake about it, every decision stops with him. He’s making the final call on who’s getting traded, who’s getting extensions and who isn’t. This is his team, it always has been and he’s at the forefront of the failure. He should have been fired last season, if you want to make changes, it has to happen this season.
After cap gymnastics for years due to the unforeseen flat cap, a Leafs GM will finally have money to make some moves. I don’t trust Treliving to make good decisions with the cap space but he isn’t going anywhere. He’s going to get a chance to put his stamp on this team.
Keefe is probably a dead man walking. I don’t think he should be because you’ve never made any significant changes to a flawed core but he’s going to fall on the sword for the failures of his superiors and their lack of willingness to change that core. He did a fantastic job with what he was given, he’s a good NHL coach IMO, this isn’t a failure on his part.
The Leafs have to move on from Marner. He was once again a complete non-factor. The Leafs are dealing from a position of weakness here. It’s pretty clear to everyone that he’s the one who has to go and with the NMC, you’ll never get full value. That ship has sailed, he should have been dangled when other star players were looking for homes if you wanted to maximize what you could get. You’re now looking at addition by subtraction.
This is also the cap era, so I have a tough time imagining a lot of turnover to the roster.
Upfront, Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Knies aren’t going anywhere. I personally bring Jarnkrok back, for his role and his cap hit, it’s more than reasonable. I’d also bring Robertson back and give him an actual chance, on a team crying for depth scoring give the kid a legitimate shot. You’ve played him like a yo-yo, he has more value to the team than elsewhere, see what he can do. Dewar, Holmberg and McMann are cheap depth options, they have a role in the lineup somewhere. I’d consider bringing Domi back if he’s willing to do it at a reasonable rate and wants to be here on term. Reaves and Kampf are negative value contracts, they were bad contracts the day they signed them. I think they’re probably both back but I’d look to cut bait. You have Cowan, Minten and Grebyonkin as potential options as well and if you’re able to move Marner this off-season, you might have some cap space to sign something up front or some bodies coming in.
The defence is probably returning Benoit, Rielly and McCabe for sure. Benoit on a 3rd pairing is more than reasonable, Rielly and McCabe we know their role in the lineup. I’d personally bring Liljegren back because I think he’s a solid option back there but the injuries are a problem. They need a RHS that can legitimately play in the top 4, whether you get that through trade or free agency is up to them but they need someone that’s better than Lyubushkin. I also think they need to find a D who can legitimately bomb a puck. A lot of the top teams on the PP have someone who can really shoot it, the Leafs don’t have that. If you want to stop teams from cheating on your best players, you need to keep them honest by having some who can shoot. They struggle to generate offence as a team in the playoffs and it’s because they can’t move the puck from the back end, the guys they sent out this playoffs, just couldn’t do it. The gritty guys have a spot in any lineup but you can’t send out Benoit, Lyubushkin and Edmundson expecting to be able to generate from the back end.
I think they need a goalie. Woll has shown talent, he’s also shown he can’t stay healthy. The best ability is availability and sometimes guys lose their chance because of injuries, I like him as a goalie but I also think he had a shot this year and because of untimely injuries, he may lose it. The team consistently has way too many question marks in net from Andersen to Murray to Campbell to Samsonov to Woll. They all have injuries at the worst time or struggle to stay healthy. Go get a goalie who can be the guy and solidify that position. Saros’ name is constantly in trade rumours, he’d be a big target for me. You just can’t keep making patchwork in net and expecting it to work. It isn’t like it’s an inspiring group of free agent goalies but if you have to go back to the well again, you better look at someone who you think can play for extended periods because of Woll’s struggles to stay healthy.
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Post by bois on May 7, 2024 7:52:52 GMT -4
i'd say the fact they changed the media availability of the management group to Friday and Shanahan is not part of the group but the head MLSE guy is is a sign that Shanny and Keefe are gone
agreed it's frustrating as fans to not be given reason why guys missed playoff games but also it is the mans personal health he isn't really obligated to divulge why he couldn't play
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Post by jordo999 on May 7, 2024 8:19:20 GMT -4
- Matthews - Nylander Knies - Tavares - McMann - Domi - - Holmberg - Reaves - Marner, Robertson, Bertuzzi, Jarnkrok, Gregor, Dewar, Kampf all out imo, Marner and Robertson can be good trade chips, as much as I like Bertuzzi's grit, he didn't do a whole lot in the playoffs and not sure I'd sign him long term at this point. Move Jarnkrok and Kampf for more cap space. I'd re-sign Domi, I like how he can go up or down the lineup. Minten and/or Cowan could make the squad next season too. Rielly - McCabe - Benoit - Edmundson Lyubushkin, Liljegren, Timmins, Giordano, Brodie, Klingberg, all out Liljegren similar to Robertson could bring back some trade chips and get a better position on a rebuilding team. He's not terrible by any means but we need to shake things up and get someone more reliable. Everyone else can walk and bring in different names. Re-signing Edmundson wouldn't be bad, he's a nice defensive force back there like Benoit. I also thought about maybe moving on from Rielly but unless it's a hockey trade and getting someone back of equal value it's hard to move him as the drop off after him in the lineup is rough. But he needs a more complimentary partner then Lyubushkin.. Woll Bringing in an experienced backup who can take over if Woll struggles is a good idea but it's Woll's crease to lose, he deserves the shot at #1. Honestly wish it was possible to take Ullmark from Boston but the chances of them trading within division has to be close to 0% or the price would be insane. overall regardless of what happens, this team needs a major shake up and a lot of cap coming off the books is nice as well, we can go after multiple good pieces or set up for some bigger trades. let me know what y'all think and if you disagree/agree with any of what I shared and why! Agree with most of it, seems like Mariner’s time needs to be done but I don’t think they’ll make a snap decision and discount his value. I’d prefer to see Domi and Bertuzzi back but the cost needs to be favourable. Kampf and Jarnkrok are both signed for a few year with 10 team no trade clauses. Not great years but ok fairly inexpensive depth. Either way for me… maybe if they think Minten and Cowan are going to be ready they can move the other two and save $2.7m or so. Robertson is an interesting one, somewhat of a breakout season… 20 goal pace. Would need to be signed, might be an aspect of do they think he’s got another level vs. what value would he have. On D it’s good that they have both McCabe and Benoit still signed, like them both. Agree on Edmundson and if they can’t get him signed open to Lyubushkin. Brodie and 5m is off the books so that helps Gut feeling says when free agency opens up that Zadorov is a target. I think they’ll be after a top end guy but as a secondary aspect of what they could use, Zadorov would be a good fit on that team. Zadorov would be a nice add but I think I'd target Pesce personally, especially since he's a right handed shot. But there's some good options out there.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 7, 2024 8:19:32 GMT -4
i'd say the fact they changed the media availability of the management group to Friday and Shanahan is not part of the group but the head MLSE guy is is a sign that Shanny and Keefe are gone agreed it's frustrating as fans to not be given reason why guys missed playoff games but also it is the mans personal health he isn't really obligated to divulge why he couldn't play Technically sure he doesn't absolutely have to say whats wrong with him. But the optics of it can still be 100% bullshit. Every 2nd commercial is about gambling. The biggest sport in North America literally fines teams for not properly disclosing injury information. The fact the NHL wants to not disclose injury information...AFTER THE SEASON.....just lends itself to the conversation of terrible and shady optics. So in an era where the NHL wants to accept 9 figures of revenue from gambling companies they want to be less transparent with injuries but not with some minimum wage part time player...we always know whats wrong with them...this time its the leagues highest paid player in the leagues biggest market coming off missing 2 key games for what fans are told is none of their business. But the minute statements such as "this detracts from the legitimacy of the league" are made people want to scoff and pretend it means nothing. While the same player also gets paid to endorse gambling companies and websites himself. But miss key games. And never have to say why. Yeah I might have to accept but that doesn't mean everyone shouldn't push back on every single example of it. Injury transparency has to come with gambling acceptance or everyone is doing this all wrong.
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Post by sec19fan on May 8, 2024 5:07:29 GMT -4
i'd say the fact they changed the media availability of the management group to Friday and Shanahan is not part of the group but the head MLSE guy is is a sign that Shanny and Keefe are gone agreed it's frustrating as fans to not be given reason why guys missed playoff games but also it is the mans personal health he isn't really obligated to divulge why he couldn't play According to TSN - The Toronto Maple Leafs management team, including CEO of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment Keith Pelley, president Brendan Shanahan and general manager Brad Treliving, will speak to the media at an end-of-season press conference on Friday. www.tsn.ca/maple-leafs-keith-pelley-brendan-shanahan-and-brad-treliving-to-speak-on-friday-1.2116328?collectionId=TSN%2FRECS%2FMIX%2FRFY
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Post by bois on May 8, 2024 6:23:36 GMT -4
Yes i see that now it either changed or i was not paying attention the other day lol my bad
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 8, 2024 9:59:48 GMT -4
- Matthews - Nylander Knies - Tavares - McMann - Domi - - Holmberg - Reaves - Marner, Robertson, Bertuzzi, Jarnkrok, Gregor, Dewar, Kampf all out imo, Marner and Robertson can be good trade chips, as much as I like Bertuzzi's grit, he didn't do a whole lot in the playoffs and not sure I'd sign him long term at this point. Move Jarnkrok and Kampf for more cap space. I'd re-sign Domi, I like how he can go up or down the lineup. Minten and/or Cowan could make the squad next season too. Rielly - McCabe - Benoit - Edmundson Lyubushkin, Liljegren, Timmins, Giordano, Brodie, Klingberg, all out Some thoughts: Seeing the lineup helps you understand why now is the time for a complete overhaul. Rebuild it all around Matthews and Nylander as your top 6 anchors. Need to find a way to shelter Rielly. Putting all this newly available cap space towards 2 top end D wouldn't be the worst idea. Cowan is likely sticking around next year. Minten I think ends up with the Marlies but is definitely getting some time with injuries. I'm with you on the goaltending. Go cheap if there's no sure thing #1 guy to bring in. Woll and Jones gives me as much confidence as Samsonov or a Cam Talbot or one of Carolina's guy as examples. Domi for say 2 @ 3.5 would be a good move. A Reaves buyout basically gets you a 900K player to replace him with...if there's management changes that could be something to watch. I like Jarnkrok's deal. But 100% dump Kampf. I'd love Lyubushkin on a 1-2 year deal. He and Benoit would be a scary 3rd pairing for opponents. Also on the move Liljegren side here. Could be packaged for a more mature player. Whats an extension for Tavares look like? Do they just let this deal expire? That will be an interesting subplot this summer.
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Post by jordo999 on May 8, 2024 10:33:08 GMT -4
- Matthews - Nylander Knies - Tavares - McMann - Domi - - Holmberg - Reaves - Marner, Robertson, Bertuzzi, Jarnkrok, Gregor, Dewar, Kampf all out imo, Marner and Robertson can be good trade chips, as much as I like Bertuzzi's grit, he didn't do a whole lot in the playoffs and not sure I'd sign him long term at this point. Move Jarnkrok and Kampf for more cap space. I'd re-sign Domi, I like how he can go up or down the lineup. Minten and/or Cowan could make the squad next season too. Rielly - McCabe - Benoit - Edmundson Lyubushkin, Liljegren, Timmins, Giordano, Brodie, Klingberg, all out Some thoughts: Seeing the lineup helps you understand why now is the time for a complete overhaul. Rebuild it all around Matthews and Nylander as your top 6 anchors. Need to find a way to shelter Rielly. Putting all this newly available cap space towards 2 top end D wouldn't be the worst idea. Cowan is likely sticking around next year. Minten I think ends up with the Marlies but is definitely getting some time with injuries. I'm with you on the goaltending. Go cheap if there's no sure thing #1 guy to bring in. Woll and Jones gives me as much confidence as Samsonov or a Cam Talbot or one of Carolina's guy as examples. Domi for say 2 @ 3.5 would be a good move. A Reaves buyout basically gets you a 900K player to replace him with...if there's management changes that could be something to watch. I like Jarnkrok's deal. But 100% dump Kampf. I'd love Lyubushkin on a 1-2 year deal. He and Benoit would be a scary 3rd pairing for opponents. Also on the move Liljegren side here. Could be packaged for a more mature player. Whats an extension for Tavares look like? Do they just let this deal expire? That will be an interesting subplot this summer. Honestly if Skjei and Pesce both hit free agency out of Carolina I wouldn't be apposed to trying to bring both in, have Pesce be the anchor for Rielly and have Skjei as a complimentary #3/4 guy with McCabe. Both guys bring much needed playoff experience as well. Then you have a combination of Edmundson/Benoit/Lyubushkin on the 3rd pairing and could move Liljegren for picks/prospects to restock the bank. Teravainen could be a good winger to pick up as well, and much like the other Hurricanes players, brings experience and depth. Could play up on the top line or the 2nd line wings. Carolina has to re-sign Jarvis, Necas, Guentzel, etc. so they need money out and I doubt they're able to sign all 6 guys, especially with Jarvis and Guentzel getting quite the raise. Even Martinook and Noesen could get raises. Stephenson out of Vegas could be another solid add as well and another guy who can play up or down. only thing is all these guys are hitting 30+ or close to it which makes our team older. Teravainen - Matthews - Nylander Knies - Tavares - Stephenson Domi - McMann - Jarnkrok Cowan - Holmberg - FA add something along these lines, or bump McMann to the 4th if you're able to re-sign Bertuzzi or someone similar as well for more size/grit. This lineup looks relatively good on paper. This could all be dependent on moving Marner as well and who/what we're able to get back. If we can get a D in place then we could leave out one of Pesce/Skeji Rielly - Pesce McCabe - Skeji Edmundson - Benoit FA add Woll FA add definitely going to be a creative off-season but lots needs to be changed.
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Post by lirette on May 9, 2024 10:07:52 GMT -4
Keefe is gone
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2024 10:10:39 GMT -4
End. The. Shanaplan. Seeing the guy who signed Huberdeau's deal get set to spend money this summer doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2024 10:15:20 GMT -4
The first move will be Keefes firing i predict that happens Wednesday afternoon Curious how often (if ever?) a coach has been fired before their new extension even kicks in. Sounds like a Leafs thing to do. To revisit this...Keefe is the 3rd guy fired just this year (MacLellan and Hakstol) ahead of an extension kicking in.
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