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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 8, 2024 14:15:45 GMT -4
Yep... Halifax put a huge push to get him to come. I am hoping they do the same for Lawrence. They tried to do the same for Arlo Merritt a few years back but it didn't work. I guess we can only wait and see. I am thinking if anyone can get him to come it would be Halifax. Oh 100%. And thats the entire point. Until any of these kids are in the USHL AND on the protected list of Halifax you can't 100% say they're not coming to the Q. Things change a lot for 16/17yr old kids if things are not going as expected as well. Fail a test, end up with a shitty coach or teammate, the Q's weaker markets may even look better in comparison.
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Post by devinm on Apr 8, 2024 22:42:27 GMT -4
Not sure exactly how this rule works or is worded, but not a big fan. Especially if his dad only played a handful of games in the OHL. Especially since his dad is from NS, played in the Q first, and played way more games in the Q than the OHL (46 to 5). While this may qualify under the rule and allow him to pick leagues, it certainly seems to be much more of a loophole than what was intended. As a comparison, Sim played 3.5 years in the OHL. I’m not a fan of the rule (I think the kid should have to have a direct connection to the province / territory of the league themselves), but it’s a lot of more justifiable for for the Sims than O’Donnell (assuming he does choose the OHL). Atleast in my opinion and my friends who grew up with Chris, Moncton screwed him over so I'm not entirely surprised his kid will go somewhere else. I would also say it's a deeper league in my opinion which is better for development. That may vary from year to year but more often than not.
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Post by devinm on Apr 8, 2024 22:49:45 GMT -4
You would think the QMJHL would be raising a stink over this. Here is a kid who projected to be a top 5 pick in the Q draft, a potential future star in the league, now using a loophole to potentially bolt to the OHL. He has grown up and played all of his minor hockey in the Q region. His father was raised here, and played 99% of his junior hockey in this region, including the Q - he played 10 times the number of games in the Q as he did in the OHL, where he literally had a cup of coffee. This is nothing like the Sims, both in terms of the caliber of prospect the kids are, and the father's junior hockey roots. If nothing else, this should be the impetus to get this antiquated rule struck down for future players. Its quite laughable when you break it down. But the sport seems to take pride in creating these scenario's that put certain kids on a pedestal to stand out for the rest - especially when they're already elite. Adding this wrinkle adds an extra layer of intrigue to the kid. Yet the competitive aspect is insanely unfair to every kid he played with growing up who don't have the same privilege and options in terms of where to play. There's no reason a rule like that makes sense in 2024. You play in the league based on the region you grew up in. Why do we complicate it based on where your parents played? Next we'll be convincing ourselves why the London Knights should just get first crack at all their former players kids. Wtf is this take? This is a situation that is a small % of players and it doesn't even have to be a good player. On top of this I doubt the Q gets him anyway if he didn't have that option it would likely be the states. I don't know the situation but maybe Aidens his parents feel might not flourish in a town where most people don't speak English.
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Post by sc74 on Apr 8, 2024 23:02:38 GMT -4
Its quite laughable when you break it down. But the sport seems to take pride in creating these scenario's that put certain kids on a pedestal to stand out for the rest - especially when they're already elite. Adding this wrinkle adds an extra layer of intrigue to the kid. Yet the competitive aspect is insanely unfair to every kid he played with growing up who don't have the same privilege and options in terms of where to play. There's no reason a rule like that makes sense in 2024. You play in the league based on the region you grew up in. Why do we complicate it based on where your parents played? Next we'll be convincing ourselves why the London Knights should just get first crack at all their former players kids. Wtf is this take? This is a situation that is a small % of players and it doesn't even have to be a good player. On top of this I doubt the Q gets him anyway if he didn't have that option it would likely be the states. I don't know the situation but maybe Aidens his parents feel might not flourish in a town where most people don't speak English. If that’s what his parents think, why don’t they hide him in their basement so he won’t be hurt by the atrocious idea of learning a new language? Hopefully, his parents aren’t as shallow as what you suggest.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 9, 2024 0:04:33 GMT -4
Its quite laughable when you break it down. But the sport seems to take pride in creating these scenario's that put certain kids on a pedestal to stand out for the rest - especially when they're already elite. Adding this wrinkle adds an extra layer of intrigue to the kid. Yet the competitive aspect is insanely unfair to every kid he played with growing up who don't have the same privilege and options in terms of where to play. There's no reason a rule like that makes sense in 2024. You play in the league based on the region you grew up in. Why do we complicate it based on where your parents played? Next we'll be convincing ourselves why the London Knights should just get first crack at all their former players kids. Wtf is this take? This is a situation that is a small % of players and it doesn't even have to be a good player. On top of this I doubt the Q gets him anyway if he didn't have that option it would likely be the states. I don't know the situation but maybe Aidens his parents feel might not flourish in a town where most people don't speak English. You're making my point for me. It's a small % simply because of the culture of the sport. Nothing to do with any sort of fairness or logic to it. And what is a good player is subjective...but the facts are that we don't use this to talk about bad players...they're not in the conversation of playing elite levels of junior hockey. Who are all these bad players using parental loopholes to play in the CHL? Who said anything about where he'd play if not the Q? We need the ten thousandth explanation on this board about how kids play draft games and constantly bluff and outright lie to get their desired outcome whether its NCAA or CHL? You're embarrassing yourself if you think its about language. We have kids in the Q who don't want to play in small French towns so they don't. We have kids who don't want to play in small English towns so they don't. Going to the OHL isn't because he will end up in Sudbury over Rouyn-Noranda.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 9, 2024 0:09:03 GMT -4
Wtf is this take? This is a situation that is a small % of players and it doesn't even have to be a good player. On top of this I doubt the Q gets him anyway if he didn't have that option it would likely be the states. I don't know the situation but maybe Aidens his parents feel might not flourish in a town where most people don't speak English. If that’s what his parents think, why don’t they hide him in their basement so he won’t be hurt by the atrocious idea of learning a new language? Hopefully, his parents aren’t as shallow as what you suggest. Imagine trying to make an argument that the worst OHL franchise is still a better option for a hockey player then the best Q-based QMJHL franchise because of the french language in a sport where literally almost every person speaks some level of english. And on top of that...in a league where teams regularly trade players to accommodate requests whether they be school or family related.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 9, 2024 0:12:51 GMT -4
Especially since his dad is from NS, played in the Q first, and played way more games in the Q than the OHL (46 to 5). While this may qualify under the rule and allow him to pick leagues, it certainly seems to be much more of a loophole than what was intended. As a comparison, Sim played 3.5 years in the OHL. I’m not a fan of the rule (I think the kid should have to have a direct connection to the province / territory of the league themselves), but it’s a lot of more justifiable for for the Sims than O’Donnell (assuming he does choose the OHL). Atleast in my opinion and my friends who grew up with Chris, Moncton screwed him over so I'm not entirely surprised his kid will go somewhere else. I would also say it's a deeper league in my opinion which is better for development. That may vary from year to year but more often than not. They screwed him over by giving him 46 games, cutting him loose, and doing nothing to stop him from playing with 2 OHL teams, 3 years in the MJAHL, plus play CIS and 5 random pro games in 2 countries in 2 low level leagues? His kid is going somewhere else because he wasn't CHL caliber in the 1990's is a great argument to try and make though. But keep telling others how weak their takes are while telling us how screwed over your buddy was while ignoring the reality and 25 years of hindsight.
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Post by scotiahockey on Apr 9, 2024 1:03:10 GMT -4
It hurts the Q because they can’t afford to lose high level talent, the pool isn’t deep enough to compensate for it.
It doesn’t bother me that a kid wants to go play in the OHL over the Q though. If you have the option, you’d be foolish not to consider it. Especially if you think you can go to the OHL and be a 1st round pick. It’s a better league but what really stings about this one, compared to the say the Sim’s going is that O’Donnell is one of the best players in the draft.
I again don’t blame the player or family for wanting to go the OHL but at some point, probably long ago when these territories became property of the Q, they should have shut this stuff down. Now I know Hockey Canada would rather keep a guy in the CHL than lose them entirely but I’d almost rather draw a line in the sand and say these players can play in the Q or they can leave but they’re not going to play in the CHL in another league because their dad played there 30 years ago when the rules were completely different.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 9, 2024 8:43:38 GMT -4
Especially since his dad is from NS, played in the Q first, and played way more games in the Q than the OHL (46 to 5). While this may qualify under the rule and allow him to pick leagues, it certainly seems to be much more of a loophole than what was intended. As a comparison, Sim played 3.5 years in the OHL. I’m not a fan of the rule (I think the kid should have to have a direct connection to the province / territory of the league themselves), but it’s a lot of more justifiable for for the Sims than O’Donnell (assuming he does choose the OHL). Atleast in my opinion and my friends who grew up with Chris, Moncton screwed him over so I'm not entirely surprised his kid will go somewhere else. I would also say it's a deeper league in my opinion which is better for development. That may vary from year to year but more often than not. How did Moncton "screw him over"? He got a season in and didn't do much, they let him go, he got a tryout in Oshawa but didn't stick there either...ended up a solid Jr.A player
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Post by sc74 on Apr 9, 2024 12:22:14 GMT -4
Why not more conversations about kids who want to play in the Q?
Chad Lygitsakos has tremendous playoffs with Trois-Rivières : 10 goals and 14 assists in 14 games. He’s probably becoming a legit top 5 pick.
Enzo Lottin and him have been playing together for several years. They have great chemistry. Some teams will have the option of reuniting them in the Q. I think Lottin is also pegged as a first rounder.
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Post by gocapebreton on Apr 10, 2024 16:05:54 GMT -4
When is the date of the draft lottery draw?
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Post by JEagle on Apr 10, 2024 16:40:24 GMT -4
When is the date of the draft lottery draw? It was held April.26th last year so probably around that date again I would assume.
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Post by devinm on Apr 10, 2024 21:20:42 GMT -4
Wtf is this take? This is a situation that is a small % of players and it doesn't even have to be a good player. On top of this I doubt the Q gets him anyway if he didn't have that option it would likely be the states. I don't know the situation but maybe Aidens his parents feel might not flourish in a town where most people don't speak English. If that’s what his parents think, why don’t they hide him in their basement so he won’t be hurt by the atrocious idea of learning a new language? Hopefully, his parents aren’t as shallow as what you suggest. Why are you so triggered by parents potentially doing what they think is best for their child? Is it right or wrong? I have no idea and they are just choosing what they think is right for their child with the options they have.
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Post by devinm on Apr 10, 2024 21:24:16 GMT -4
If that’s what his parents think, why don’t they hide him in their basement so he won’t be hurt by the atrocious idea of learning a new language? Hopefully, his parents aren’t as shallow as what you suggest. Imagine trying to make an argument that the worst OHL franchise is still a better option for a hockey player then the best Q-based QMJHL franchise because of the french language in a sport where literally almost every person speaks some level of english. And on top of that...in a league where teams regularly trade players to accommodate requests whether they be school or family related. I really don't understand where you got this from, calm down and take a breath.
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Post by devinm on Apr 10, 2024 21:29:35 GMT -4
Atleast in my opinion and my friends who grew up with Chris, Moncton screwed him over so I'm not entirely surprised his kid will go somewhere else. I would also say it's a deeper league in my opinion which is better for development. That may vary from year to year but more often than not. How did Moncton "screw him over"? He got a season in and didn't do much, they let him go, he got a tryout in Oshawa but didn't stick there either...ended up a solid Jr.A player So this is an opinion of like teenager my friends and I, so it may just be meaningless. It has been several years since I have seen Chris and I was merely speculating. As I remember it Chris played his Rookie year, then had a very strong pre season including a hat trick vs the moose. Then Moncton told him he wasn't going to make the team, and didn't release him until most teams had their teams basically picked. As one of my other friends also said he didn't really fit the style of the times as a big finesse player who was not good enough at that level for the top 2 lines.
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