Eagles vs Huskies Oct.22nd,2023

[JEagle]

Eagles Projected Lineup

Squires - MacDonald - Burbidge
Lavallée - Roy - Houde
Ricard - Bégin - Aucoin
Fullerton - Patterson - Shields

Biggar - Schmitt
Daigle - Lavoie
Waugh - Shortall

Ruccia

Scratches:
Étienne Desjardins - Healthy Scratch
Lubos Stahon - Healthy Scratch
Jude Campbell - Injured/Sick
Luke McPhee - Healthy Scratch
Jacob Newcombe - Injured/Sick

[max]

Are you telling me Lavallee is better than McPhee that is one year younger?

[eagle78]

Oct 22, 2023 15:34:29 GMT -4 max said:

Are you telling me Lavallee is better than McPhee that is one year younger?

macphee hasn’t shown anything yet in my opinion, he looked good in preseason and that was it , Lavallee has 100 games of Q experience under his belt , he is a big body in front of the net and hasn’t looked terrible with houde , my guess he is here full time after Xmas , macphee could be playing jr A depending the direction the team takes at Xmas trade period.

[Jack Bauer]

You can usually tell a lot from these games. Veteran team at the end of a road trip coming off a big loss on Friday into a Sunday afternoon game here where we've had a couple of rebuilding teams to play and are at home.

At minimum you'd look for a big start on our side. I'm a broken record. Expecting this team to start on time. 2-0 Rouyn after 1 and we put up 6 shots.

I listed some stat lines a couple of days ago. They're not much better today.

The development of Shields is concerning. Should be taking another step in his development but that step has been backwards.

The D again has the same guys as minuses.

7-6 after 13 games. Amazing how average this team looks against solid teams. The lack of structure when we play certain teams shouldnt be this big of an issue for a team returning as many D as we are. Is the new coach implementing systems these guys are unable to execute on? Is there a reluctance to buy in from certain guys? How is this team hovering around .500? Has anyone heard from Sly since the VP demoted him to a back office gig?

[eagleeye]

FLYING IN VICE president"Trevor to help coaches with his skates so he can go on the ice with the coaches and players"

[eagle78]

Eagles D is Horrendous right now , what’s going on ? It’s really noticeable, up front Shields is not developing one bit like Jack said is concerning. Definitely some legit questions being asked here, Couturier definitely has been quiet . The Simons got to wake up which I don’t think will happen , they are running the whole organization into the ground , most nights lucky to get 1300 in there .organization has become a complete joke of the entire league

[hal]

I mentioned a week or so ago that I was concerned about Shields . The Defence is not the Group we were lead to believe they were going to be . This Team needs a couple of proven Goal Scorers . Our Top Line can create but can't seem to finish .........but what concerns me most is our Euro Situation............ A Backup Goalie and a Forward who can't seem to fit in the Top 9 .....not Top 6 ......Top 9 ? Again not what we were lead to believe in those Town Halls .

[hal]

What did we receive for Jeremy Langois ? I know the Huskies had 2 Ex Ramparts playing for them and we don't have any , so I am guessing it was picks and then what did Sly do with them ?

[Jack Bauer]

Oct 23, 2023 4:46:28 GMT -4 hal said:

What did we receive for Jeremy Langois ? I know the Huskies had 2 Ex Ramparts playing for them and we don't have any , so I am guessing it was picks and then what did Sly do with them ?

4 draft picks:
QUE 2nd 2025
RIM 3rd 2024
ROU 2nd 2024
QUE 4th 2023

ROU 2nd 2024+our 2023 4th went to Quebec for a 2023 2nd but I dont know what pick that was exactly.

[Jack Bauer]

Oct 22, 2023 20:30:37 GMT -4 eagle78 said:

Eagles D is Horrendous right now , what’s going on ? It’s really noticeable, up front Shields is not developing one bit like Jack said is concerning. Definitely some legit questions being asked here, Couturier definitely has been quiet . The Simons got to wake up which I don’t think will happen , they are running the whole organization into the ground , most nights lucky to get 1300 in there .organization has become a complete joke of the entire league

The timing of the Schmitt and Biggar trades will be looked at for a long time.

When those traded were made our young core was mostly all 16 and 17. Some showing some promise. All needing more time and patience.

Instead we bring in these guys at 18 and 19. Now almost a year later we're hovering around .500 and those 2 are as inconsistent as the kids are.

Biggar as C never made a lot of sense to me. Early on it seemed to be inspiring him. Lately he's come back to earth. Always felt like a GM call. Or the coach trying to earn points with his GM who drafted and acquired the player here.

A D like this combined with a 19yr old former 1st rounder in goal should not be having the issues this team is with younger teams. And thats with Ruccia playing much better then he looked last year.

The same people over and over again are on the fan facebook group saying they've been playing great and exciting hockey lately. Probably some of the same people who didn't quite enjoy the discussion here. Either the team is planting people to put a spin on things or people really are delusional when it comes to seeing this exactly how it is.

[sherwood1020]

Oct 23, 2023 9:11:45 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Oct 22, 2023 20:30:37 GMT -4 eagle78 said:

Eagles D is Horrendous right now , what’s going on ? It’s really noticeable, up front Shields is not developing one bit like Jack said is concerning. Definitely some legit questions being asked here, Couturier definitely has been quiet . The Simons got to wake up which I don’t think will happen , they are running the whole organization into the ground , most nights lucky to get 1300 in there .organization has become a complete joke of the entire league

The timing of the Schmitt and Biggar trades will be looked at for a long time.

When those traded were made our young core was mostly all 16 and 17. Some showing some promise. All needing more time and patience.

Instead we bring in these guys at 18 and 19. Now almost a year later we're hovering around .500 and those 2 are as inconsistent as the kids are.

Biggar as C never made a lot of sense to me. Early on it seemed to be inspiring him. Lately he's come back to earth. Always felt like a GM call. Or the coach trying to earn points with his GM who drafted and acquired the player here.

A D like this combined with a 19yr old former 1st rounder in goal should not be having the issues this team is with younger teams. And thats with Ruccia playing much better then he looked last year.

The same people over and over again are on the fan facebook group saying they've been playing great and exciting hockey lately. Probably some of the same people who didn't quite enjoy the discussion here. Either the team is planting people to put a spin on things or people really are delusional when it comes to seeing this exactly how it is.

Inconsistencies are plauging almost every team in the league right now. Minus the top 2 teams and the bottom 3 teams, I think there is only 5 points separating the middle 13 teams. My worry here is that we will pull a 2023 Toronto Blue Jays and front office will see a underperforming team higher than they should be in the division and think it's time to further mortgage the farm.


The trades for Campbell, Biggar, and Schmitt should all be looked at as a massive dark cloud over the tenure of Couturier. Newcombe will always be a question mark, however the former 3 were paid a premium for and the players so far have nowhere near held up their end of the deal. I originally tried to justify these trades when they happened, however 10 months later of waiting and wishing these guys have done nothing but waste the fans time and money.

Former league champion Igor Murwambe and Former Eagle Matthew MacDonald have been traded this year for a 4th and 5th round pick respectively and provided immediate impact to their new teams without breaking the bank. However our 20s on defense this season have cost us collectively multiple first/second round picks and Have had almost zero impact playing heavy minutes. Next years OA situation also leaves more questions than answers looking at the 19s this season.

[hal]

It's not so much the tinkering it's the Price our GM is willing to pay . He defended his price on Schmitdt by saying there were several Teams looking to get him and that's what the price was driven to . With Burridge , I don't know if there was a Bidding War or if that's just what Syl thought he could / would pay and that's just what he did .

[sherwood1020]

Oct 23, 2023 10:37:50 GMT -4 hal said:

It's not so much the tinkering it's the Price our GM is willing to pay . He defended his price on Schmitdt by saying there were several Teams looking to get him and that's what the price was driven to . With Burridge , I don't know if there was a Bidding War or if that's just what Syl thought he could / would pay and that's just what he did .

For at least this year so far, Burbidge has PPG stats to back up the price paid. Schmitt has more PIM than games played and a whopping 3 assists to show for it.

[Jack Bauer]

Oct 23, 2023 10:37:50 GMT -4 hal said:

It's not so much the tinkering it's the Price our GM is willing to pay . He defended his price on Schmitdt by saying there were several Teams looking to get him and that's what the price was driven to . With Burridge , I don't know if there was a Bidding War or if that's just what Syl thought he could / would pay and that's just what he did .

The price is fine if the timing makes sense.

But why spend for a Schmitt when at the bottom of the league with a rebuilding team?

Just tossing away 1sts to "win" only matters if you turn it into something. We've somehow spent the assets, not gotten anything we expected production wise, and are somehow still in that middle of the league no mans land while Halifax and Moncton start separating from us a bit.

We have spent a decade tossing around picks to try and build a winning culture.

Reality is if you draft and develop properly the winning culture will develop internally and then once those players are developed and experienced....you move 1sts+3 2nds or 2 1sts+ 1 2nd for complimentary pieces.

Once you're nowhere near contending and moving that currency for a core you hope can win....you've already lost the entire plot.

This team should have still been rebuilding last year. Lavoie, Shields, Squires were nowhere near ready to contend. 12 months later its even more painfully obvious.

But imagine if there was another top 5 pick added and we kept the other assets....that would simply be a proper rebuild. What we just absolutely refuse to do no matter how damn painfully obvious it is that its the only real way to right a history of wrongs.

[Jack Bauer]

Oct 23, 2023 12:19:02 GMT -4 sherwood1020 said:

Oct 23, 2023 10:37:50 GMT -4 hal said:

It's not so much the tinkering it's the Price our GM is willing to pay . He defended his price on Schmitdt by saying there were several Teams looking to get him and that's what the price was driven to . With Burridge , I don't know if there was a Bidding War or if that's just what Syl thought he could / would pay and that's just what he did .

For at least this year so far, Burbidge has PPG stats to back up the price paid. Schmitt has more PIM than games played and a whopping 3 assists to show for it.

Issue is you add a Burbridge when you're ready to win. Make that deal and continue to lose or not show much forward progress and its a waste of assets that should still be a part of a rebuild.

How much more does he cost or someone of his ability cost in 12 months when you can actually decide whether your core is ready to win? We decided LAST November that this and next year our guys would be ready to win. We were still breaking in a #1 overall pick when our GM decided he was ready to be the key piece of a contender this year and next.

We're 12 months ahead in making these deals. The fact it still hasn't resulted in anything tangible is mind blowing and laughable.

You cant decide a hockey team is ready to win based on ticket sales. You determine that based on results. We decided results should dictate that you need to go on an aggressive offensive and managed to lose the assets, add some skill, but still be nothing resembling anything but an average team with terrible habits.