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Post by hal on Nov 6, 2023 11:18:11 GMT -4
Is Respect for your Coach and Not Buying into the System ...........two different things or the Same thing ?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 6, 2023 13:14:12 GMT -4
Is Respect for your Coach and Not Buying into the System ...........two different things or the Same thing ? I'm sure there's many dynamics at play. For example: Look at who the leadership is. Seemed kind of obvious to me what the coach was doing in giving one of the GM's "hired guns" the C this year vs some others. I've promoted home grown leadership as the key way to identify when we're finally doing things right. So many guys from outside brought in as "leaders" ultimately doesn't create a great culture. We've seen that with good teams. Imagine how toxic it can get with a .500 team battling those issues. There's lots of talent but zero chemistry. The power play speaks for itself. Thats coaching. But bigger picture tells me there's guys not buying in because of many different potential factors. There's still a revolving door feeling to this franchise. Ultimately the divide among age groups also likely represents a divide in the room. MacDonald is 20. Schmitt is 19. Squires is 18. Lavoie is 17. Ricard is 16. Now look at it this way... Shortall is 20. Roy is 19. Patterson is 18. Shields is 17. You can argue this team should be selling based on group 2 as much as you can argue they should stand pat based on group 1. Buying MacDonald and Schmitt's to run with Shortall's and Roy's starts to paint a bigger picture of asking what exactly the plan is supposed to be. So is it shocking when Patterson's and Shields start wondering if they fit here today or somewhere else tomorrow? You can't just buy year after year from the bottom and expect to get anywhere. In some ways the best thing that can happen here is a complete month of terrible games to force them into selling. Because this charade around buying to force something that just really isn't there will just push people further away from the product as an entertainment option.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Nov 6, 2023 14:17:42 GMT -4
Easiest (and most logical plan for anyone with a brain) is to sell anyone who isn't going to be here in 25-26 this Christmas. I'm OK with rolling the dice on Squires 50/50 being here as a 20 but this current core of 17-18YO players should stay and grow as the homegrown core before too much damage is done.
SJ first is more than likely going to get us alot of balls in the lottery, and would be on the younger side of a 25-26 run but still a potential impact piece if a Desnoyer type is available.
To my original point, Biggar, MacDonald, Ruccia, potentially a couple others could all net us substantial picks/futures to be used for a real run.
I know this is not going to happen based on current management philosophy, but it just makes too much sense to not think out loud here.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 6, 2023 14:22:47 GMT -4
Easiest (and most logical plan for anyone with a brain) is to sell anyone who isn't going to be here in 25-26 this Christmas. I'm OK with rolling the dice on Squires 50/50 being here as a 20 but this current core of 17-18YO players should stay and grow as the homegrown core before too much damage is done. SJ first is more than likely going to get us alot of balls in the lottery, and would be on the younger side of a 25-26 run but still a potential impact piece if a Desnoyer type is available. To my original point, Biggar, MacDonald, Ruccia, potentially a couple others could all net us substantial picks/futures to be used for a real run. I know this is not going to happen based on current management philosophy, but it just makes too much sense to not think out loud here. A normally run franchise would see this group as flawed in terms of the chances of winning this year and try finding younger pieces to fix that. There's many examples of mid-pack teams or worse wanting to load up, doing so, and regretting it. How many teams that sell end of regretting it? The only thing worse then a contending team not playing up to par is a management team already determined to win even if the best thing to do is to take a step back. By adding you're saying you think you can do something this year and win it all next year. Thats a fantasy not based at all in reality. But I guarantee its the vision sold on Wednesday night.
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Post by hal on Nov 6, 2023 15:22:49 GMT -4
Every Town Hall that I have been at has 2024-2025 as ........."THE YEAR WE GO FOR IT ALL" . Unless Mr Simon gets a Visit from some Top Notch Hockey Mind that persuades him to go down a different path then what Johnny is saying is probably the Song they will be singing on Wednesday Night .
* At this point maybe as Crazy as it Sounds...............maybe the Best Case Scenario is that when Simon's Young Fella's Custom Made Skates are ready and he flies in to Sydney and takes the Ice to check things out up close and personal .....that he will tell The Old Man to pull back on the Reigns for another Year and tell Courtourier to take his Finger off the Trigger at least for the time being .
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 6, 2023 15:33:29 GMT -4
Easiest (and most logical plan for anyone with a brain) is to sell anyone who isn't going to be here in 25-26 this Christmas. I'm OK with rolling the dice on Squires 50/50 being here as a 20 but this current core of 17-18YO players should stay and grow as the homegrown core before too much damage is done. SJ first is more than likely going to get us alot of balls in the lottery, and would be on the younger side of a 25-26 run but still a potential impact piece if a Desnoyer type is available. To my original point, Biggar, MacDonald, Ruccia, potentially a couple others could all net us substantial picks/futures to be used for a real run. I know this is not going to happen based on current management philosophy, but it just makes too much sense to not think out loud here. I don’t know if MacDonald, Biggar and Ruccia net you substantial picks but the damage has already been done. This is headed down the road many projected it would when they started selling the future after hiring Couturier.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 6, 2023 16:00:19 GMT -4
Easiest (and most logical plan for anyone with a brain) is to sell anyone who isn't going to be here in 25-26 this Christmas. I'm OK with rolling the dice on Squires 50/50 being here as a 20 but this current core of 17-18YO players should stay and grow as the homegrown core before too much damage is done. SJ first is more than likely going to get us alot of balls in the lottery, and would be on the younger side of a 25-26 run but still a potential impact piece if a Desnoyer type is available. To my original point, Biggar, MacDonald, Ruccia, potentially a couple others could all net us substantial picks/futures to be used for a real run. I know this is not going to happen based on current management philosophy, but it just makes too much sense to not think out loud here. I don’t know if MacDonald, Biggar and Ruccia net you substantial picks but the damage has already been done. This is headed down the road many projected it would when they started selling the future after hiring Couturier. We've already traded our own 1st 2nd and 3rd in the next 2 drafts. We have other picks because Sly is Sly but there's going to be no lateral or backwards moves here no matter how much sense it would make.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 6, 2023 16:05:00 GMT -4
Speaking of not being able to score, player development, and bad decision making:
Peter Repcik is currently a point per game player in Drummondville and would be our leading goal scorer at 19. We added a 4th rounder with him to get a 19yr old Satny
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Post by sherwood1020 on Nov 6, 2023 16:27:40 GMT -4
Speaking of not being able to score, player development, and bad decision making: Peter Repcik is currently a point per game player in Drummondville and would be our leading goal scorer at 19. We added a 4th rounder with him to get a 19yr old Satny It's been alluded to in here before, but while were on the hindsight topic Matthew MacDonald has 14 points (7/7) in 16 games split between BLB-BAC as well.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Nov 6, 2023 17:22:48 GMT -4
Easiest (and most logical plan for anyone with a brain) is to sell anyone who isn't going to be here in 25-26 this Christmas. I'm OK with rolling the dice on Squires 50/50 being here as a 20 but this current core of 17-18YO players should stay and grow as the homegrown core before too much damage is done. SJ first is more than likely going to get us alot of balls in the lottery, and would be on the younger side of a 25-26 run but still a potential impact piece if a Desnoyer type is available. To my original point, Biggar, MacDonald, Ruccia, potentially a couple others could all net us substantial picks/futures to be used for a real run. I know this is not going to happen based on current management philosophy, but it just makes too much sense to not think out loud here. I don’t know if MacDonald, Biggar and Ruccia net you substantial picks but the damage has already been done. This is headed down the road many projected it would when they started selling the future after hiring Couturier. A MacDonald and Ruccia package would easily make Halifax the head and shoulders Mem Cup favorite this year. Would Ruccia want to play backup to Rousseau? God no, but the Platoon would be probably the strongest in the CHL. The contenders will be paying to play as they do every year. Biggar probably wouldn't bring back anything significant but he's an upgrade to be had somewhere. Antoine Roy is another player who would be a valuable Depth piece on a contender due to his PK and Faceoff talents. It's all in how you sell them.
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Post by scotiahockey on Nov 6, 2023 18:16:12 GMT -4
I don’t know if MacDonald, Biggar and Ruccia net you substantial picks but the damage has already been done. This is headed down the road many projected it would when they started selling the future after hiring Couturier. A MacDonald and Ruccia package would easily make Halifax the head and shoulders Mem Cup favorite this year. Would Ruccia want to play backup to Rousseau? God no, but the Platoon would be probably the strongest in the CHL. The contenders will be paying to play as they do every year. Biggar probably wouldn't bring back anything significant but he's an upgrade to be had somewhere. Antoine Roy is another player who would be a valuable Depth piece on a contender due to his PK and Faceoff talents. It's all in how you sell them. I just can’t see a contender paying a lot to bring in Ruccia to be a backup and he may not be an upgrade on what teams already have between the pipes. He’s probably got more value to the Eagles than he does to other teams, barring a major injury to a contenders goalie between now and the trade deadline. It’s a tougher sell with him is all. Biggar I think is a solid 20 but it feels like his value was the highest last year. What the Eagles paid is what a contender should have paid to add him for a playoff run… at this point, he’s got to sort of be head and shoulders better then a contenders 20’s to bring back a solid return, I don’t know if he is. I like the player, never liked the fit for the Eagles. I feel like his market is a tinkering team, hoping that maybe a better 20 or shake up in the 20’s could help them win a round but nothing that brings back a huge return. I would also agree that Antoine Roy may have some value on a 4th line to a contender in the role they’d want him to play but he doesn’t bring anything big back. His offence just isn’t there, not to say you can’t get something for him but I think the return would be so low, he’s hardly worth mentioning or he’s an add on to a deal for another player you’re moving. MacDonald is probably the most intriguing to me, he’s a bigger kid, he can score goals and play the middle of the ice. You need the right fit but he can be moved for something solid. The only question I have, is if you’re an elite team, that thinks you’re a piece or two away, is he the 20 you go after? There’s lots of teams that have 20’s to sell and he’s never had an elite season in the league to make you say he’s the one you have to go get. It really could all come down to what the other teams are willing to trade their 20’s for. I think there’s lots of pieces the Eagles can move but I hit pause on saying you’ll get a substantial return for them. There’s lots of players to trade if you wanted too, the problem is that none that are truly elite or the cream of the crop in the league so the idea that you’ll bring back a lot of picks is hard to wrap my head around. The Eagles bought a lot of players, the only problem is they didn’t buy elite players. They paid a premium for a lot of good older players, the type that you go get to compliment your already strong roster but not the ones you use to build around. This limits what you can get back for those guys in my eyes because the market for them has either shrunk (20’s) or there’s a plethora of other similarly aged/caliber players around the league that other teams can go asking about.
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Post by Score on Nov 8, 2023 11:24:02 GMT -4
Every Town Hall that I have been at has 2024-2025 as ........."THE YEAR WE GO FOR IT ALL" . Unless Mr Simon gets a Visit from some Top Notch Hockey Mind that persuades him to go down a different path then what Johnny is saying is probably the Song they will be singing on Wednesday Night.
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Post by JEagle on Nov 8, 2023 19:54:50 GMT -4
I mean is this a surprise to really anybody.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 8, 2023 20:12:14 GMT -4
If you're paid to cover sports in Cape Breton and you didn't know about this before today, you really shouldn't be complaining...
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Post by bois on Nov 9, 2023 8:38:02 GMT -4
so how did town hall version 4.0 go? anybody actually ask a tough question?
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