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Post by eagle78 on Nov 30, 2023 21:15:11 GMT -4
If they added Horth and Henneberry then with potential Newcombe returning for 2nd half then the top 6 should look solid , should be very interesting few weeks ahead . Also I can see Macphee / Campbell sent to jr A with Lavallee coming in to fill 3rd or 4th line duties
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 1, 2023 9:57:37 GMT -4
I would much prefer a package to Bathurst that includes Murphy + for Henneberry, rather then any deal that involves Horth. The 20 year old situation in Cape for next season is far from locked down, this would add one more piece to that equation.
Lavallee coming in after Christmas offers zero value for next season, CB needs to get these young guys some reps and really find what you have, burying them further for a 19 year Jr. A player to play 3rd or 4th line makes absolutely zero sense.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 1, 2023 10:44:57 GMT -4
If we can add a top line forward and give up Murphy/Shortall I think it makes dealing a little easier. Add a 18 year old top 9 guy and preferably a bigger defensive defensemen will be ideal. Newcombe MacDonald Squires Burbidge Horth Elie? Patterson Roy Shields Ricard Fullerton Stahon Aucoin Begin Biggar Lavoie Daigle Schmidt Desjardins Add big Dman Waugh Move Houde Shortall Murphy Really want to hang on to that SJ first rounder and maybe use it to land a bigger 20 this summer I think that lineup helps the scoring gives some speed and depth and we can use a strength of our Blueline depth to add and not deplete our 24/25 Roster Very rarely is any 20yr old available at the draft worth a top 5 pick. That 1st rounder would get us in the bidding for the top 18/19yr olds available which would also change the conversation. But I think keeping it with intention on trading it for an overager isn't a smart move. You can get more out of that pick. Either by keeping it and developing the player for the inevitable rebuild or maximizing the value by getting an 18 or 19yr old for at least 2 runs.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 1, 2023 10:55:31 GMT -4
Let's assume you get a guy like Henneberry.
You then have Henneberry, Newcombe, Schmitt, Houde, Roy, Ruccia in the mix next season.
You also have other assets that can be moved if any of these 20's need to be upgraded, there should be no need to touch SJ 1st on a 20 for next season.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 1, 2023 11:04:55 GMT -4
Let's assume you get a guy like Henneberry. You then have Henneberry, Newcombe, Schmitt, Houde, Roy, Ruccia in the mix next season. You also have other assets that can be moved if any of these 20's need to be upgraded, there should be no need to touch SJ 1st on a 20 for next season. Exactly. The 20yr old log jam for next year will get us some picks back but I think if Newcombe comes back at 100% targetting 18yr olds this year makes sense if the SJ 1st is in play....maybe even a high end 17yr old. Not many contenders have a pick like that to move.
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 1, 2023 11:11:54 GMT -4
Let's assume you get a guy like Henneberry. You then have Henneberry, Newcombe, Schmitt, Houde, Roy, Ruccia in the mix next season. You also have other assets that can be moved if any of these 20's need to be upgraded, there should be no need to touch SJ 1st on a 20 for next season. Exactly. The 20yr old log jam for next year will get us some picks back but I think if Newcombe comes back at 100% targetting 18yr olds this year makes sense if the SJ 1st is in play....maybe even a high end 17yr old. Not many contenders have a pick like that to move. I think moving the pick now might be a good idea. Right now, that pick would only be 7th overall, and while SJ is likely to move some pieces, there will be limits unless SJ has their own 1st (also note that every team that is behind SJ should also be selling). If CB moves the pick now, they can move it as a pick with variable value (between lottery and 7), but if they wait until the draft, I would think that the odds would suggest that CB would likely be holding a non-lottery pick.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 1, 2023 11:23:30 GMT -4
There are only 3-4 players that I would move it for now, the rest I would roll the dice. A deal with Victo that included Justin LaRose at the draft would be interesting. Les Tigres could then turn that 1st into something they need now.
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Post by falconz on Dec 1, 2023 13:05:22 GMT -4
I guess from my perspective yes you have this group of 2004 guys for next year but that will change this summer easily - you see the market for twenty year olds going for mid-late draft picks even Tristan Roy just getting moved for basically nothing.
If next year is your ‘big head’ you still need to make sure you gain some playoff experience this year as well and get some buzz from fans it’s a unique and tough situation for Sly to be in but I do agree we have some intriguing assets to move now or later
Also not to put pressure on him but Newcombe is probably a point per game guy when healthy - He is basically like acquiring a top like guy who’s 19 and I bet extremely motivated to get back and help this team out. If we can add Henneberry and a solid defensive 18 y/o dman I’d expect a second half push for a top 3 seed in the conference
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 1, 2023 13:08:53 GMT -4
I guess from my perspective yes you have this group of 2004 guys for next year but that will change this summer easily - you see the market for twenty year olds going for mid-late draft picks even Tristan Roy just getting moved for basically nothing. If next year is your ‘big head’ you still need to make sure you gain some playoff experience this year as well and get some buzz from fans it’s a unique and tough situation for Sly to be in but I do agree we have some intriguing assets to move now or later Also not to put pressure on him but Newcombe is probably a point per game guy when healthy - He is basically like acquiring a top like guy who’s 19 and I bet extremely motivated to get back and help this team out. If we can add Henneberry and a solid defensive 18 y/o dman I’d expect a second half push for a top 3 seed in the conference I think you are shooting a little too high. With Halifax being able to cover their needs with cheaper parts (thanks to the best line in the league), Baie-Comeau having Gill and Poirier as their base, and Moncton being stockpiled in youth to the point where they could buy anything, I think making up 8 or more points might be a tough hill. 4th is CB's for the taking OTOH.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 1, 2023 13:25:40 GMT -4
I guess from my perspective yes you have this group of 2004 guys for next year but that will change this summer easily - you see the market for twenty year olds going for mid-late draft picks even Tristan Roy just getting moved for basically nothing. If next year is your ‘big head’ you still need to make sure you gain some playoff experience this year as well and get some buzz from fans it’s a unique and tough situation for Sly to be in but I do agree we have some intriguing assets to move now or later Also not to put pressure on him but Newcombe is probably a point per game guy when healthy - He is basically like acquiring a top like guy who’s 19 and I bet extremely motivated to get back and help this team out. If we can add Henneberry and a solid defensive 18 y/o dman I’d expect a second half push for a top 3 seed in the conference This logic is the big picture issue though. "Because we want to win next year we HAVE to do something this year..." That is how you wake up in June of 2025 with absolutely nothing left in the bank in terms of draft picks for multiple years down the road. And a 1 in 3 or 4 chance at a banner hanging to show something for the efforts. Face it: You're buying because you want to. Not because anything you're seeing on the ice is screaming potential league champion. Is the team on the ice absolutely playing a style that is delivering results that are head and shoulders above a majority of the league? Are they considered a top team in their league? Conference? Province? If they spend the assets what is the realistic potential is changed their path at all for this year? And because of doing it now...the analogy of "if a tree falls and nobody hears it does it make a sound" has to be asked. "If an Eagles team wins but average 1800 fans on the way there does it really matter to the long term health?" For all the talk of buying. Please ask yourself this question: Does this team as it sits today have 1 of the following: A top 10 QMJHL forward. A top 10 QMJHL defenceman. A top 10 QMJHL goaltender. And if your answer is no to any of these....how are you acquiring assets to go up against those top players on the competition without acquiring those players from your competition? We want to buy to finish 3rd or 4th in our conference. But people somehow both want to spend the assets and want to win but not answer the question of how you sell more disappointment if the 3rd or 4th best team on 1 side predictably loses in round 2 to the top 1 or 2 teams? Just seems like a plan destined to fail because you don't get to just win when you think you deserve it. You win when the team on the ice plays like it can be a champion. After a good stint of drafting and developing talent from within if you want a fan base to grow with it.
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Post by falconz on Dec 1, 2023 14:52:22 GMT -4
So what would your plan be ? If your GM starting today what do you think best plan of action is ?
Halifax will still be a top 3 team in conference next year Baie comeau and Chicoutimi will be big time threats again , Moncton will be an above average team - Rimouski also young and will look to push.
A lot of teams seem to be making that curve towards peak and we just are stuck in the middle it seems
I just think we need to add but add for future more than currently - with that being said I know the frustration with fans and being a bottom feeder since COVID has made it tough to gain a fan base back So just genuinely curious what would make fans happy to see over next 18 months
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Post by hal on Dec 1, 2023 15:04:40 GMT -4
Don't lose sight of the fact that the Guy that maybe , most likely or definitely ( you choose one ) calling the shots has his focus on the second half as much as Next Season .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 1, 2023 15:20:15 GMT -4
So what would your plan be ? If your GM starting today what do you think best plan of action is ? Halifax will still be a top 3 team in conference next year Baie comeau and Chicoutimi will be big time threats again , Moncton will be an above average team - Rimouski also young and will look to push. A lot of teams seem to be making that curve towards peak and we just are stuck in the middle it seems I just think we need to add but add for future more than currently - with that being said I know the frustration with fans and being a bottom feeder since COVID has made it tough to gain a fan base back So just genuinely curious what would make fans happy to see over next 18 months What the plan always should have been. Patience via drafting and developing. No short cuts. No buying 18yr olds 6 months after picking 1st overall. What am I doing if I start today? I'm a mid pack team. I'm selling. Buying from the middle isn't a solution. Selling from the middle to strengthen the future has equal downside to buying in that buying and losing is a disaster but selling and losing is proper expectations. I just don't buy the logic of going all in from the middle to save the future. You said it yourself...after all this adding you're still seeing a mid pack team. Shouldn't you be on the level of one of those other teams after moving so many pieces to strengthen this roster? The next moves should be putting you over the top of them...not leave you praying you've closed the gap more. Thats just a setup for failure in my eyes.
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Post by falconz on Dec 1, 2023 15:57:19 GMT -4
Yeh I completely understand that - Agree 100%
It’s also tough to look and be like what could be if we still had Desressieux, Repcik, Delafontaine, Boutin.
I know it’s a lot of what ifs but it would definitely change some prospective I would say as to where this team is at today
I do like the idea of selling some assets and looking ahead - get younger build within etc. but unfortunately I just think this fan base is on edge and is pushing management who is already motivated to compete now even if that means winning one playoff round then getting swept by Halifax I think the y would view that as a success which it is not at all hahah
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 1, 2023 16:33:24 GMT -4
Yeh I completely understand that - Agree 100% It’s also tough to look and be like what could be if we still had Desressieux, Repcik, Delafontaine, Boutin. I know it’s a lot of what ifs but it would definitely change some prospective I would say as to where this team is at today I do like the idea of selling some assets and looking ahead - get younger build within etc. but unfortunately I just think this fan base is on edge and is pushing management who is already motivated to compete now even if that means winning one playoff round then getting swept by Halifax I think the y would view that as a success which it is not at all hahah I think the fan base has heard someone say he's buying for 3 years and thinks there's no other way to go about it because many don't understand a lot about how the league functions and why we're lacking in certain areas. The reality is this organization has a big thing working against it. We hear every single former manager, coach, and player talk about it - travel. To buy from the middle means you need to go on the road to start rounds 2, 3 and 4 against elite teams and win in their barn while dealing with the travel. In the series you're in the travel is the same for both teams but the compounded travel over multiple rounds means that you need to understand what works against you and not play into it but actually find a way to make it your advantage. That means you only buy...but you REALLY fill in those gaps in the lineup...when already head and shoulders above most teams. This team is in 11th place after 27 games. 14-13. 5-5 in its last 10. 12.9% PP. -14 goal differential. Trade for 2 elite players and add an entire top line with Newcombe and are you now on Halifax's level? I think the coach is doing some good things so far and adding scoring gets these guys over that .500 hump but its to a .650 team. Not a Halifax or Baie-Comeau so its still a hard fought round 2 exit. Which is assuming a younger hard working team doesnt suprise in round 1.
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