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Post by artvandelay on Dec 11, 2023 20:51:41 GMT -4
Realistically what players does everyone think might not be here in the new year? I would say Begin, Roy, Houde, Ruccia are being shopped around. A month ago I woulda said I’d like to keep Ruccia until atleast the start of next season, but with the emerging play of Milota I think we need to cash in the best we can on Rucc now. I would say what you have proposed is the opposite of what will realistically happen. What you suggest is absolutely what should happen and it would set them up well for next season and really well for 2025-26, but that isn't reality. What will happen: A couple of young D like Desjardins and Waugh as well as a couple of recent draft picks like Pilling and Foley will be dealt for a 19 year old D and a couple of 19 year old Forwards. What should happen: Trade Ruccia, Biggar, MacDonald, Houde, Schmitt for decent returns. Find takers for any other 19s like Begin and Roy as well as Shortall. Build towards Lavoie and Milota's 19 year old season in 25-26 by solely acquiring 16 and 17 year olds and draft picks in every trade. Results of what will happen: Lose in second round in 2024 and 2025 and miss the playoffs in 26. Results of what should happen: Lose in first round in 24, lose in second round in 25 and make the final four in 26 with a legitimate chance at a league championship. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 12, 2023 10:06:24 GMT -4
Realistically what players does everyone think might not be here in the new year? I would say Begin, Roy, Houde, Ruccia are being shopped around. A month ago I woulda said I’d like to keep Ruccia until atleast the start of next season, but with the emerging play of Milota I think we need to cash in the best we can on Rucc now. I would say what you have proposed is the opposite of what will realistically happen. What you suggest is absolutely what should happen and it would set them up well for next season and really well for 2025-26, but that isn't reality. What will happen: A couple of young D like Desjardins and Waugh as well as a couple of recent draft picks like Pilling and Foley will be dealt for a 19 year old D and a couple of 19 year old Forwards. What should happen: Trade Ruccia, Biggar, MacDonald, Houde, Schmitt for decent returns. Find takers for any other 19s like Begin and Roy as well as Shortall. Build towards Lavoie and Milota's 19 year old season in 25-26 by solely acquiring 16 and 17 year olds and draft picks in every trade. Results of what will happen: Lose in second round in 2024 and 2025 and miss the playoffs in 26. Results of what should happen: Lose in first round in 24, lose in second round in 25 and make the final four in 26 with a legitimate chance at a league championship. You seem to have it figured out. I think I tune in anyway in hopes that a move is made for an 18 year old Forward as well as an 18 year old D-man. |
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 12, 2023 10:17:44 GMT -4
I would say what you have proposed is the opposite of what will realistically happen. What you suggest is absolutely what should happen and it would set them up well for next season and really well for 2025-26, but that isn't reality. What will happen: A couple of young D like Desjardins and Waugh as well as a couple of recent draft picks like Pilling and Foley will be dealt for a 19 year old D and a couple of 19 year old Forwards. What should happen: Trade Ruccia, Biggar, MacDonald, Houde, Schmitt for decent returns. Find takers for any other 19s like Begin and Roy as well as Shortall. Build towards Lavoie and Milota's 19 year old season in 25-26 by solely acquiring 16 and 17 year olds and draft picks in every trade. Results of what will happen: Lose in second round in 2024 and 2025 and miss the playoffs in 26. Results of what should happen: Lose in first round in 24, lose in second round in 25 and make the final four in 26 with a legitimate chance at a league championship. You seem to have it figured out. I think I tune in anyway in hopes that a move is made for an 18 year old Forward as well as an 18 year old D-man. That could get crazy expensive in a hurry |
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Post by hal on Dec 12, 2023 10:59:03 GMT -4
You seem to have it figured out. I think I tune in anyway in hopes that a move is made for an 18 year old Forward as well as an 18 year old D-man. That could get crazy expensive in a hurry ..........and that is my Biggest Fear because in my opinion , with the acquisitions ofthe 2 big pieces (Schmidt and Burbridge ) , he has already demonstrated that he will pay through the nose for someone if he is locked in on them . |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 12, 2023 11:00:13 GMT -4
I would say what you have proposed is the opposite of what will realistically happen. What you suggest is absolutely what should happen and it would set them up well for next season and really well for 2025-26, but that isn't reality. What will happen: A couple of young D like Desjardins and Waugh as well as a couple of recent draft picks like Pilling and Foley will be dealt for a 19 year old D and a couple of 19 year old Forwards. What should happen: Trade Ruccia, Biggar, MacDonald, Houde, Schmitt for decent returns. Find takers for any other 19s like Begin and Roy as well as Shortall. Build towards Lavoie and Milota's 19 year old season in 25-26 by solely acquiring 16 and 17 year olds and draft picks in every trade. Results of what will happen: Lose in second round in 2024 and 2025 and miss the playoffs in 26. Results of what should happen: Lose in first round in 24, lose in second round in 25 and make the final four in 26 with a legitimate chance at a league championship. You seem to have it figured out. I think I tune in anyway in hopes that a move is made for an 18 year old Forward as well as an 18 year old D-man. That would leave us with no picks for the next 2 drafts plus losing other prospects as well. What do you plan on using to go all in with next year if you buy more 18yr olds a year after buying 18yr olds? Why are you buying 18yr olds with a .500 team? Its like people don't see that the 2 catalysts to build around are both 17 no matter how many older players are brought in that reality doesn't change. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 12, 2023 11:00:56 GMT -4
Realistically what players does everyone think might not be here in the new year? I would say Begin, Roy, Houde, Ruccia are being shopped around. A month ago I woulda said I’d like to keep Ruccia until atleast the start of next season, but with the emerging play of Milota I think we need to cash in the best we can on Rucc now. I would say what you have proposed is the opposite of what will realistically happen. What you suggest is absolutely what should happen and it would set them up well for next season and really well for 2025-26, but that isn't reality. What will happen: A couple of young D like Desjardins and Waugh as well as a couple of recent draft picks like Pilling and Foley will be dealt for a 19 year old D and a couple of 19 year old Forwards. What should happen: Trade Ruccia, Biggar, MacDonald, Houde, Schmitt for decent returns. Find takers for any other 19s like Begin and Roy as well as Shortall. Build towards Lavoie and Milota's 19 year old season in 25-26 by solely acquiring 16 and 17 year olds and draft picks in every trade. Results of what will happen: Lose in second round in 2024 and 2025 and miss the playoffs in 26. Results of what should happen: Lose in first round in 24, lose in second round in 25 and make the final four in 26 with a legitimate chance at a league championship. Yep 100% this should be the plan. But we know it won't be. |
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Post by gocapebreton on Dec 12, 2023 11:02:32 GMT -4
IMO, the true way to build a "win it all" team, particularly small market, is via the draft. This team has not done a great job at that. I don't have a lot of confidence in the current GM's style of seemingly trading just to make trades in turn burning assets quite rapidly. That said, the reality is this team is not going to do a sell off. In some fairness, their top line consists of two 18 year olds and not many top 5 or 6 teams go with top line 18's unless they are elite players. These guys are realistically second line players on top teams.
The two main teams I see as potential trade partners are BB and SJ. Fauchon from BB is a legit 1st line center who should be back at 20. SJ brings in more potential 18's particularly one of their two LW Euros and center Vince Elie. They also seem like they could use a Ruccia .If the Eagles are set on a plan to make a run next year, the next question is whether either Burridge or Elie are legit 1st line centers on a contender, or are they more 2nd line? Then there is the QB style Dman. There is Tourigny from Shawinigan. If even available, he would be expensive. He is also a RH D. We seem set on the RH D with Lavoie and Schmitt in the top 4. Should be an interesting trade period to say the least.
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 12, 2023 11:04:34 GMT -4
IMO, the true way to build a "win it all" team, particularly small market, is via the draft. This team has not done a great job at that. I don't have a lot of confidence in the current GM's style of seemingly trading just to make trades in turn burning assets quite rapidly. That said, the reality is this team is not going to do a sell off. In some fairness, their top line consists of two 18 year olds and not many top 5 or 6 teams go with top line 18's unless they are elite players. These guys are realistically second line players on top teams. The two main teams I see as potential trade partners are BB and SJ. Fauchon from BB is a legit 1st line center who should be back at 20. SJ brings in more potential 18's particularly one of their two LW Euros and center Vince Elie. They also seem like they could use a Ruccia .If the Eagles are set on a plan to make a run next year, the next question is whether either Burridge or Elie are legit 1st line centers on a contender, or are they more 2nd line? Then there is the QB style Dman. There is Tourigny from Shawinigan. If even available, he would be expensive. He is also a RH D. We seem set on the RH D with Lavoie and Schmitt in the top 4. Should be an interesting trade period to say the least. I mean, SJ has a D that fits in Bilodeau, but still... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 12, 2023 11:41:42 GMT -4
IMO, the true way to build a "win it all" team, particularly small market, is via the draft. This team has not done a great job at that. I don't have a lot of confidence in the current GM's style of seemingly trading just to make trades in turn burning assets quite rapidly. That said, the reality is this team is not going to do a sell off. In some fairness, their top line consists of two 18 year olds and not many top 5 or 6 teams go with top line 18's unless they are elite players. These guys are realistically second line players on top teams. The two main teams I see as potential trade partners are BB and SJ. Fauchon from BB is a legit 1st line center who should be back at 20. SJ brings in more potential 18's particularly one of their two LW Euros and center Vince Elie. They also seem like they could use a Ruccia .If the Eagles are set on a plan to make a run next year, the next question is whether either Burridge or Elie are legit 1st line centers on a contender, or are they more 2nd line? Then there is the QB style Dman. There is Tourigny from Shawinigan. If even available, he would be expensive. He is also a RH D. We seem set on the RH D with Lavoie and Schmitt in the top 4. Should be an interesting trade period to say the least. Its amazing to me that we all agree a selloff won't happen. Yet the big picture logic is to try and please the fan base. Buying from the middle and doing nothing results wise is completely counter productive to the logic of pleasing fans. Selling from the middle and doing nothing results wise....gives you more assets to move forward to try and build a winner with. What is this magic carrot being dangled that i'm missing by buying? You make it to round 2? An extra 4000 people for a Tuesday/Wednesday vs Halifax? The fact the plan plummets you right back into a multi year rebuild should tell everyone that the idea that buying veteran players alone puts asses in seats that are still mostly empty means the plan designed for success already has a path to failure built right in only with a higher chance of failure because of not executing on anything properly. Our best players are 17 but we're buying to surround a weak overage crop and don't want to move the 19yr old goalie being outplayed by a 17yr old even though thats the exact kind of culture you want to see in a junior hockey franchise still in a building phase. The more things even organically happen properly here the more we want to fight it as an organization and force a square peg (going for it 2024 AND 2025) into a round hole (naturally building for 2026 when Lavoie and Milota and others are 19) |
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Post by justathought on Dec 12, 2023 12:34:31 GMT -4
I think another sign of a successful rebuild besides the stockpiling of draft picks is not having to overpay and trade to acquire overage scoring or leadership year after year because the team has developed it, in the previous years.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 12, 2023 13:09:08 GMT -4
I think another sign of a successful rebuild besides the stockpiling of draft picks is not having to overpay and trade to acquire overage scoring or leadership year after year because the team has developed it, in the previous years. Definitely. The rebuild should organically develop those players. The cycle of constantly needing to buy leadership is doomed to fail at this level. This idea that trading the youth for more veterans is just depressing when you see where the team stacks up vs the rest of the league before those top teams load up. |
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Post by gocapebreton on Dec 12, 2023 13:48:50 GMT -4
I think another sign of a successful rebuild besides the stockpiling of draft picks is not having to overpay and trade to acquire overage scoring or leadership year after year because the team has developed it, in the previous years. Definitely. The rebuild should organically develop those players. The cycle of constantly needing to buy leadership is doomed to fail at this level. This idea that trading the youth for more veterans is just depressing when you see where the team stacks up vs the rest of the league before those top teams load up. At this point, two of their top line three forwards are via trade. If they follow through with the current plan, next years top six forwards will most likely consist of 4 or 5 via trade. These should be in reverse. 4 or 5 of the top six forwards should be developed through the draft. In a small market franchise, if you are concerned about fan support, you can't afford to trade off multiple years of your own future 1st round picks. This current GM seems to have a history of this style of management. |
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 12, 2023 14:22:58 GMT -4
RN, BC and Drummond are all contenders this year and none of them have 4-5 in their top 6 via the draft, I guess you could argue who the top 6 are on each club, but these teams are very much built at the top via trade.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 12, 2023 14:30:11 GMT -4
Definitely. The rebuild should organically develop those players. The cycle of constantly needing to buy leadership is doomed to fail at this level. This idea that trading the youth for more veterans is just depressing when you see where the team stacks up vs the rest of the league before those top teams load up. At this point, two of their top line three forwards are via trade. If they follow through with the current plan, next years top six forwards will most likely consist of 4 or 5 via trade. These should be in reverse. 4 or 5 of the top six forwards should be developed through the draft. In a small market franchise, if you are concerned about fan support, you can't afford to trade off multiple years of your own future 1st round picks. This current GM seems to have a history of this style of management. And a history of the business aspect showing no improvement minus 1 6 week stretch of a contenders playoff run. |
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Post by jboyz on Dec 13, 2023 7:58:41 GMT -4
Hearing there’s a trade done for a 17 yo forward. Don’t know much more details other than it’s not a big name.
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