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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 4, 2023 10:59:29 GMT -4
The lack of development on offence is astounding. Biggar had 1+17 in 33 games (.55ppg) last year here after coming over from a similar split in Boisbriand (1+14 in 33GP (.45ppg)). 3+3 in 26 games (.23 ppg) this year. Squires 30+34 in 67 games (.96 ppg) at 17. 13+12 in 27 games (.93ppg) at 18. Daigle 4+16 in 68 games (.29 ppg) as a rookie at 17. 2+8 in 29 games (.34) so far. Houde 18+26 in 68 games (.65ppg) as a rookie at 18. 6+10 in 29 games at 19 (.55ppg). Patterson 10+12 in 54 games (.41 ppg) as a rookie at 17. 2+4 in 29 games (.21 ppg) at 18 Shields 12+13 in 64 games (.39) at 16. 2+4 in 28 games (.21 ppg) at 17. Fullerton 9+5 in 64 games (.22ppg) at 17. 3+3 in 29 games (.21 ppg) at 18. Shortall 2+17 in 66 games (.29 ppg) at 19. 1+1 in 29 games (.07) at 20. Lavoie 2+14 in 59 games (.27 ppg) at 16. 2+10 in 29 games (.41 ppg) at 17. Schmitt in Boisbriand at 18: 3+9 in 33 games (.36 ppg). In CB at 18 1+19 in 36 games (.56) . In CB at 19 2+12 in 29 games (.48 ppg). Burbidge in SJ @ 17: 19+31 in 68 games (.74 ppg). @ 18 in CB: 7+16 in 29 ganes (.79 ppg). MacDonald @ 19 in SJ 16+13 in 27 games (1.1 ppg). In Gatineau: 13+14 in 31 games (.87ppg) . In CB @ 20 9+10 in 27 games (.70) Begin in Chi @ 18 had 7+21 in 56 games (.5 ppg). Here at 19 3+4 in 28 games (.25 ppg) Not enough guys with increases. Too many with massive drop offs. 4 guys playing regularly with close to half the production from last season (Patterson, Shields, Begin, Shortall). Overagers all disappointments simply looking at the huge drop offs to this point. Great observation. What about the system? Stretch passes over and over forcing players to fight for possession down low instead of progressing with the puck. When you have 10 x U19 upfront, I don't think it's the best strategy. Guys like Burbidge, Squires and Shields would create a lot more. Look at Halifax how they progress with the puck with short passes, support and speed. They create a lot more chances with a young core. How many icings per game where you restart in your zone after being able to gain possession initially just before icing it? Often, they win the faceoff in their own zone and they ice it. No movement on the PP, no setup plays. All players stay at the same place, very predictable. Great Post. A drop off in #'s across the board is not a development issue, it's a system issue, no question. With the current style of stretch, dump, chase repeat you lower your GA's but you also lower your sustained 0-Zone time, limit your 2nd layer of offensive attack and no longer become a puck possession team. Is there a plan to move to a hybrid style as the season goes on? Maybe. Louis is not completely oblivious to his talent pool, I give him credit, MacDonald, Houde, Roy, Fullerton who all play 17 plus mins a night are not puck possession, offensively creative players, so maybe he realizes what he has and plays accordingly. I would love to see Squires #'s year on year, I would say he has the puck 1/4 of the time he had it last year. That's not development, that's a system.
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Post by emerz on Dec 4, 2023 11:23:10 GMT -4
It looks like the forwards have literally never played with each other, that's been my observation.
They're afraid to make a risky creative play. I would say the coach has coached the creativity right out of them in favor of a low scoring chance hockey game. Which I have never really seen work at the junior level.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2023 11:54:37 GMT -4
It looks like the forwards have literally never played with each other, that's been my observation. They're afraid to make a risky creative play. I would say the coach has coached the creativity right out of them in favor of a low scoring chance hockey game. Which I have never really seen work at the junior level. And is it as simple as culture? The kids coming up here never had veteran leadership to look up to. Now we've acquired good but not great players to supplement them and have had a new coach introducing a new system every year along the way. The coach is trying to limit the chances against. And it's working. But he's playing a league where veteran teams who play together should start dominating younger teams who are in a rebuilding phase. So losing 2-0 isn't great when you expect to win 6-2. To have so many veteran forwards and none have a breakout and many completely fall off is very concerning. How long do you keep playing a system to benefit the goaltenders while killing the creativity you paid high prices to acquire?
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 4, 2023 11:56:15 GMT -4
It looks like the forwards have literally never played with each other, that's been my observation. They're afraid to make a risky creative play. I would say the coach has coached the creativity right out of them in favor of a low scoring chance hockey game. Which I have never really seen work at the junior level. And is it as simple as culture? The kids coming up here never had veteran leadership to look up to. Now we've acquired good but not great players to supplement them and have had a new coach introducing a new system every year along the way. The coach is trying to limit the chances against. And it's working. But he's playing a league where veteran teams who play together should start dominating younger teams who are in a rebuilding phase. So losing 2-0 isn't great when you expect to win 6-2. To have so many veteran forwards and none have a breakout and many completely fall off is very concerning. How long do you keep playing a system to benefit the goaltenders while killing the creativity you paid high prices to acquire? It sounds like you are saying that it is time to double down
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2023 11:57:10 GMT -4
Great observation. What about the system? Stretch passes over and over forcing players to fight for possession down low instead of progressing with the puck. When you have 10 x U19 upfront, I don't think it's the best strategy. Guys like Burbidge, Squires and Shields would create a lot more. Look at Halifax how they progress with the puck with short passes, support and speed. They create a lot more chances with a young core. How many icings per game where you restart in your zone after being able to gain possession initially just before icing it? Often, they win the faceoff in their own zone and they ice it. No movement on the PP, no setup plays. All players stay at the same place, very predictable. Great Post. A drop off in #'s across the board is not a development issue, it's a system issue, no question. With the current style of stretch, dump, chase repeat you lower your GA's but you also lower your sustained 0-Zone time, limit your 2nd layer of offensive attack and no longer become a puck possession team. Is there a plan to move to a hybrid style as the season goes on? Maybe. Louis is not completely oblivious to his talent pool, I give him credit, MacDonald, Houde, Roy, Fullerton who all play 17 plus mins a night are not puck possession, offensively creative players, so maybe he realizes what he has and plays accordingly. I would love to see Squires #'s year on year, I would say he has the puck 1/4 of the time he had it last year. That's not development, that's a system. I think the system is good the 16yr/17yr olds who can benefit from 2-3 years of executing it. But its doing negative things to the 19 and 20yr olds expected to be better than a .500 team who only have a few months left to figure it out.
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Post by hal on Dec 4, 2023 12:05:10 GMT -4
Great Post. A drop off in #'s across the board is not a development issue, it's a system issue, no question. With the current style of stretch, dump, chase repeat you lower your GA's but you also lower your sustained 0-Zone time, limit your 2nd layer of offensive attack and no longer become a puck possession team. Is there a plan to move to a hybrid style as the season goes on? Maybe. Louis is not completely oblivious to his talent pool, I give him credit, MacDonald, Houde, Roy, Fullerton who all play 17 plus mins a night are not puck possession, offensively creative players, so maybe he realizes what he has and plays accordingly. I would love to see Squires #'s year on year, I would say he has the puck 1/4 of the time he had it last year. That's not development, that's a system. I think the system is good the 16yr/17yr olds who can benefit from 2-3 years of executing it. But its doing negative things to the 19 and 20yr olds expected to be better than a .500 team who only have a few months left to figure it out. So too late to change the Spots on a 19 and 20 year old Leopard ?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2023 12:11:00 GMT -4
I think the system is good the 16yr/17yr olds who can benefit from 2-3 years of executing it. But its doing negative things to the 19 and 20yr olds expected to be better than a .500 team who only have a few months left to figure it out. So too late to change the Spots on a 19 and 20 year old Leopard ? Too late to expect new veterans to come in and enough to change that you're competing with teams like Halifax and Baie-Comeau in 3-4 months. At this point you're buying just to try and have a competitive 2nd round series. When does that make sense in this league? The longer this goes on the harder it becomes to hear them just act like all the losses don't matter to this ultimate goal of winning.
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Post by max on Dec 4, 2023 12:28:29 GMT -4
That system is definitely a killer for skilled creative players.
I would also like to see how many even strenght points Burbidge, Squires, MacDonald have without playing on the same line.
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Post by hal on Dec 5, 2023 15:31:23 GMT -4
Play in PEI tonight , can we at least get home with 1 Win ? 3 points on a 3 game Road Trip is acceptable ...................well barely .......... given who the games were against .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 5, 2023 15:41:19 GMT -4
Play in PEI tonight , can we at least get home with 1 Win ? 3 points on a 3 game Road Trip is acceptable ...................well barely .......... given who the games were against . 3 points in 3 games seems like exactly what to expect from this group. Reality is the expectations for a trip like this should be 5-6 points.
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Post by falconz on Dec 5, 2023 16:19:49 GMT -4
It’s really a huge game in a bigger picture - get a win you are above .500 going into home against drum and Gatineau then finish on the road in Charlottetown again and Moncton SHOULD put us over .500 into Christmas
Will be tough end of a road trip - no Lavoie tn injury?
Also looking ahead we got two against Halifax end of the month which is nice considering they will be without Dumais( for sure) and possibly Vidicek and Rousseau
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