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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 11, 2023 15:37:37 GMT -4
Everyone knows I don't buy the conspiracy stuff most of the time but this is the only league i've ever seen take an appeal and add games to it because you appealed it. And things like that never happen to teams inside the province of Quebec. Boomerang trade instantly caused a rule change....until enough teams begged for some forgiveness...but when the Morrisette's were trading used cars and duffle bags of cash for 100 point scorers in the 80's and 90's that was just the "good old days". The only thing that really makes me iffy on the conspiracies is the Remparts always go through a rebuild cycle when a team that rich would just always be a contender like London is in the OHL. And maybe I'm just salty because any time we've had a chance at winning, we lost to a Québec team. I'll never know lol Quebec had its hands cuffed by the league who had small market teams complaining about the Americans and Euro's they'd bring in. So now as a league we mostly just bring in neither and they get no competitive advantage. No high end Europeans. No Americans. No fighting. People really need to stop asking why most rinks have under 2000 people in them. Unless you have a top 3-4 team that brings an exciting playoff run you're a doormat in a league with no hitting, no fighting, and fewer and fewer high end players from outside the region. I can't think of any other outlet thats raised prices and cut the entertainment level in half yet still expect the same level of support.
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Post by Mika on Dec 11, 2023 15:45:19 GMT -4
The only thing that really makes me iffy on the conspiracies is the Remparts always go through a rebuild cycle when a team that rich would just always be a contender like London is in the OHL. And maybe I'm just salty because any time we've had a chance at winning, we lost to a Québec team. I'll never know lol Quebec had its hands cuffed by the league who had small market teams complaining about the Americans and Euro's they'd bring in. So now as a league we mostly just bring in neither and they get no competitive advantage. No high end Europeans. No Americans. No fighting. People really need to stop asking why most rinks have under 2000 people in them. Unless you have a top 3-4 team that brings an exciting playoff run you're a doormat in a league with no hitting, no fighting, and fewer and fewer high end players from outside the region. I can't think of any other outlet thats raised prices and cut the entertainment level in half yet still expect the same level of support. I was always against that rule change. No I don't go to games hoping kids beat each other to a pulp every shift, but having fighting keeps players on the ice accountable. If I'm a player and I know I would have to answer to a player like Tom Wilson, it's motivation to play cleaner. Right now though I can see why the OHL or WHL would have more appeal to play in now than the Q. I'd want a more physical league that allows a fight to happen because as a player trying to make the NHL, I'd be more prepared for the physicality of the NHL or AHL. I do think we're past the point where fights should be glamourized though, especially when minors are involved. The staged fight rule change was a good one to combat that.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 11, 2023 22:27:55 GMT -4
Since 2000, Maritimes teams have hosted the Memorial Cup 4 times and Quebec teams 5 times (including Rimouski in 2025). Tell me again how Maritimes teams are screwed by the league?
I think the real problem is small market teams not being able to host, wether it's in Quebec or in the Maritimes.
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Post by lirette on Dec 11, 2023 22:58:48 GMT -4
Since 2000, Maritimes teams have hosted the Memorial Cup 4 times and Quebec teams 5 times (including Rimouski in 2025). Tell me again how Maritimes teams are screwed by the league? I think the real problem is small market teams not being able to host, wether it's in Quebec or in the Maritimes. I'm actually all for opening up the bidding for every team. A memorial cup in Valdor or Rouyn or Cape Breton would be wicked. Clearly the "selection process" is a farce anyways. Why bother with any of this hosting criteria when geography suddenly catapults all of them anyway? I have no issue with a team in Quebec getting the memorial cup, but when you have a superior host in essentially every single category and you tell them not to bid you can't tell me that's good for the CHL. It's especially bad when both Shawinigan and Rimouski hosted more recently than Moncton has. If this year had lined up for Gatineau, or Chicoutimi had their new building you wouldn't hear a peep from me.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 11, 2023 23:10:48 GMT -4
Since 2000, Maritimes teams have hosted the Memorial Cup 4 times and Quebec teams 5 times (including Rimouski in 2025). Tell me again how Maritimes teams are screwed by the league? I think the real problem is small market teams not being able to host, wether it's in Quebec or in the Maritimes. I'm actually all for opening up the bidding for every team. A memorial cup in Valdor or Rouyn or Cape Breton would be wicked. Clearly the "selection process" is a farce anyways. Why bother with any of this hosting criteria when geography suddenly catapults all of them anyway? I have no issue with a team in Quebec getting the memorial cup, but when you have a superior host in essentially every single category and you tell them not to bid you can't tell me that's good for the CHL. It's especially bad when both Shawinigan and Rimouski hosted more recently than Moncton has. If this year had lined up for Gatineau, or Chicoutimi had their new building you wouldn't hear a peep from me. The same thing happened with Quebec in 2022. They were the superior host in most categories but they didn’t get it and were never told why. It’s probably because they wanted to award it to Saint John after they failed twice to get it in the past. But why let Quebec go through the whole process then and tell them they would be judged on the same criterias? At least Moncton was told the truth before spending any money on the selection process. I’m not bitter about it. And to me as well Moncton would have been the obvious choice for 2025. I’m just using an example to show how ridiculous the comments made in this thread about the Maritimes being screwed by the league are. The bidding is opened to every team if they pay the fee the CHL is asking. It’s too much for most small market teams, even for medium markets. That’s the problem. Regina wasn’t the most obvious choice to host the 100th Memorial Cup but they were one of the only three franchises willing to pay the $ 3.65 million fee in the whole CHL.
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Post by hal on Dec 12, 2023 7:26:16 GMT -4
They won't even include MARITIME in the QMJHL , so why does this surprise anybody ? We were screened out a long time ago , told not to bid because of a Sub Standard Building . One thing we may be losing sight of is the fact that the Q has a Brand New Commissioner and he knows what side his Bread is Buttered on .
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Post by Reesor on Dec 12, 2023 8:24:19 GMT -4
I'm actually all for opening up the bidding for every team. A memorial cup in Valdor or Rouyn or Cape Breton would be wicked. Clearly the "selection process" is a farce anyways. Why bother with any of this hosting criteria when geography suddenly catapults all of them anyway? I have no issue with a team in Quebec getting the memorial cup, but when you have a superior host in essentially every single category and you tell them not to bid you can't tell me that's good for the CHL. It's especially bad when both Shawinigan and Rimouski hosted more recently than Moncton has. If this year had lined up for Gatineau, or Chicoutimi had their new building you wouldn't hear a peep from me. The same thing happened with Quebec in 2022. They were the superior host in most categories but they didn’t get it and were never told why. It’s probably because they wanted to award it to Saint John after they failed twice to get it in the past. But why let Quebec go through the whole process then and tell them they would be judged on the same criterias? At least Moncton was told the truth before spending any money on the selection process. I’m not bitter about it. And to me as well Moncton would have been the obvious choice for 2025. I’m just using an example to show how ridiculous the comments made in this thread about the Maritimes being screwed by the league are. The bidding is opened to every team if they pay the fee the CHL is asking. It’s too much for most small market teams, even for medium markets. That’s the problem. Regina wasn’t the most obvious choice to host the 100th Memorial Cup but they were one of the only three franchises willing to pay the $ 3.65 million fee in the whole CHL. If bids were based solely on merit, Quebec City would get it every time their junior cycle aligned with hosting. A seven year spread is too soon. I can understand why they wouldn't want to put the Memorial Cup in Quebec City twice in the span of 3 times the league hosted. But both Shawinigan and Rimouski have hosted since Moncton has hosted. There's no reason Moncton should've been ruled out of the bidding, and that's the gripe I have. And yes, it is criminal to allow a team to pay the fees and spend the time putting together a bid when the selection committee has no intention of selecting them. It's also criminal to not tell an organization why they lost a bid. The league should've been upfront with the Remparts in 2022. Moncton was told a team based in Quebec would probably be hosting in 2025, so they saved their time and money and didn't bid.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 12, 2023 8:54:22 GMT -4
The same thing happened with Quebec in 2022. They were the superior host in most categories but they didn’t get it and were never told why. It’s probably because they wanted to award it to Saint John after they failed twice to get it in the past. But why let Quebec go through the whole process then and tell them they would be judged on the same criterias? At least Moncton was told the truth before spending any money on the selection process. I’m not bitter about it. And to me as well Moncton would have been the obvious choice for 2025. I’m just using an example to show how ridiculous the comments made in this thread about the Maritimes being screwed by the league are. The bidding is opened to every team if they pay the fee the CHL is asking. It’s too much for most small market teams, even for medium markets. That’s the problem. Regina wasn’t the most obvious choice to host the 100th Memorial Cup but they were one of the only three franchises willing to pay the $ 3.65 million fee in the whole CHL. If bids were based solely on merit, Quebec City would get it every time their junior cycle aligned with hosting. A seven year spread is too soon. I can understand why they wouldn't want to put the Memorial Cup in Quebec City twice in the span of 3 times the league hosted. But both Shawinigan and Rimouski have hosted since Moncton has hosted. There's no reason Moncton should've been ruled out of the bidding, and that's the gripe I have. And yes, it is criminal to allow a team to pay the fees and spend the time putting together a bid when the selection committee has no intention of selecting them. It's also criminal to not tell an organization why they lost a bid. The league should've been upfront with the Remparts in 2022. Moncton was told a team based in Quebec would probably be hosting in 2025, so they saved their time and money and didn't bid. The reason is that they probably wanted to look “fair“ and not go with a Maritimes team for the 5th time in 9 occasions while the Maritimes represent 1/3 of the league. But conspiracy theories around here about the Maritimes always getting screwed by the league seem to be the popular story. To me it’s funny because I always read the same things on the french board but the other way around. Baie-Comeau fans felt screwed by the league who forced them to trade MacKinnon to Halifax in 2011. Fans from other small market teams feel like the league favors Saint John, Quebec, Moncton and Halifax when they draft players who said they would go NCAA. Heck, even Remparts fans felt robbed by the league after the 2015 final and 2022 semifinal where penalties didn’t go Quebec’s way. Sports fans…
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Post by Reesor on Dec 12, 2023 9:13:08 GMT -4
If bids were based solely on merit, Quebec City would get it every time their junior cycle aligned with hosting. A seven year spread is too soon. I can understand why they wouldn't want to put the Memorial Cup in Quebec City twice in the span of 3 times the league hosted. But both Shawinigan and Rimouski have hosted since Moncton has hosted. There's no reason Moncton should've been ruled out of the bidding, and that's the gripe I have. And yes, it is criminal to allow a team to pay the fees and spend the time putting together a bid when the selection committee has no intention of selecting them. It's also criminal to not tell an organization why they lost a bid. The league should've been upfront with the Remparts in 2022. Moncton was told a team based in Quebec would probably be hosting in 2025, so they saved their time and money and didn't bid. The reason is that they probably wanted to look “fair“ and not go with a Maritimes team for the 5th time in 9 occasions while the Maritimes represent 1/3 of the league. But conspiracy theories around here about the Maritimes always getting screwed by the league seem to be the popular story. To me it’s funny because I always read the same things on the french board but the other way around. Baie-Comeau fans felt screwed by the league who forced them to trade MacKinnon to Halifax in 2011. Fans from other small market teams feel like the league favors Saint John, Quebec, Moncton and Halifax when they draft players who said they would go NCAA. Heck, even Remparts fans felt robbed by the league after the 2015 final and 2022 semifinal where penalties didn’t go Quebec’s way. Sports fans… I think this situation is more fixable than the NCAA situation. That one is fully player dependent and any attempt to force a declaration prior to the draft will result in less talent in the league. For the Memorial Cup hosting rights, the league just has to develop a transparent set of standards. Tell teams you can't host twice in a 4-tournament span. Tell teams Quebec or the Maritimes can't host three times in a row. Don't allow teams to bid with no chance of winning. As long as the league is being secretive, accusations of favoritism will happen. What the league probably wants is to be fair, but to have the ability to be unfair if the situation calls for it. There are only what... 7 teams that can currently host in their own arena? (Quebec City, Halifax, Moncton, Saint John, Rimouski, Shawinigan, Gatineau... possibly Cape Breton if arena upgrades happen). More rules may handcuff the league if the right teams aren't good when the league is hosting. That's the only reason I can think of not to have standards in place. But honestly you could still have the tournament in Moncton next year and give the teams based in Quebec the next four tournaments: Gatineau in 2028, and Quebec City/Shawinigan/Rimouski in 2031/2034/2037. See you in Halifax in 2040.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 12, 2023 21:14:09 GMT -4
As far as the team on the ice, at least Rimouski has something to work with. They own 5 1st round picks in the next 3 drafts, their own for the three years as well as Victoriaville and Chicoutimi's in 2025. If they can't convince William Lacelle to report, they'll have another 1st round pick for 2024. I'd be surprised if they eventually draft with any of those picks.
They'll have to make better choices though. It looks like the first pick for Vincent Filion might be a waste.
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Post by Citris on Dec 12, 2023 21:25:35 GMT -4
As far as the team on the ice, at least Rimouski has something to work with. They own 5 1st round picks in the next 3 drafts, their own for the three years as well as Victoriaville and Chicoutimi's in 2025. If they can't convince William Lacelle to report, they'll have another 1st round pick for 2024. I'd be surprised if they eventually draft with any of those picks. They'll have to make better choices though. It looks like the first pick for Vincent Filion might be a waste. Their existing roster also isn't half bad. Not the strength of Monctons', but there's some promising elements that could be the foundation of a deep team.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 12, 2023 21:56:15 GMT -4
As far as the team on the ice, at least Rimouski has something to work with. They own 5 1st round picks in the next 3 drafts, their own for the three years as well as Victoriaville and Chicoutimi's in 2025. If they can't convince William Lacelle to report, they'll have another 1st round pick for 2024. I'd be surprised if they eventually draft with any of those picks. They'll have to make better choices though. It looks like the first pick for Vincent Filion might be a waste. Their existing roster also isn't half bad. Not the strength of Monctons', but there's some promising elements that could be the foundation of a deep team. There are rumours about Beausoleil being let go because of unacceptable behavior but it seems like he knew how to get the best out of a team. They probably should have pursued a more experienced coach instead of a QMJHL rookie. They have been very inconsistent this season. In the same week, they'll lose against Bathurst and Charlottetown but win against Halifax. Lose 6-3 to Gatineau but win 8-0 the day after. They acquired Mikael Denis from the Armada expecting a lot of offense from him... which didn't happen. Beland is also disappointing after an interesting season last year. Both of their imports were also disappointments and they'll have to draft two next summer.
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Post by countryboy on Dec 13, 2023 12:17:11 GMT -4
Is there are reason why Gatineau wasn't in the mix to host the 2025 Memorial Cup.
Slush Puppie Centre is a modern, new building. The capacity (4000 people) is a tad small for the Memorial Cup but is not far off the capacity in Rimouski at the Sun Life Colisee. All indications are that Gatineau would be a prime host in the near future in this modern building.... maybe even going there in 2028.
How come Gatineau rolling with a 2025 bid?
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Post by Reesor on Dec 13, 2023 12:24:10 GMT -4
Is there are reason why Gatineau wasn't in the mix to host the 2025 Memorial Cup. Slush Puppie Centre is a modern, new building. The capacity (4000 people) is a tad small for the Memorial Cup but is not far off the capacity in Rimouski at the Sun Life Colisee. All indications are that Gatineau would be a prime host in the near future in this modern building.... maybe even going there in 2028. How come Gatineau rolling with a 2025 bid? I would imagine they didn't bid because of the strength of their team. They should be good again in time for the 2028 tournament and they are a shoe-in to host if that's the case.
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Post by countryboy on Dec 13, 2023 13:05:05 GMT -4
Makes sense….2025 sounds like a long ways off….but we are really just talking about the end of next season. Gatineau would never have a competitive entry ready for then. Is there are reason why Gatineau wasn't in the mix to host the 2025 Memorial Cup. Slush Puppie Centre is a modern, new building. The capacity (4000 people) is a tad small for the Memorial Cup but is not far off the capacity in Rimouski at the Sun Life Colisee. All indications are that Gatineau would be a prime host in the near future in this modern building.... maybe even going there in 2028. How come Gatineau rolling with a 2025 bid? I would imagine they didn't bid because of the strength of their team. They should be good again in time for the 2028 tournament and they are a shoe-in to host if that's the case.
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