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Post by sc74 on Dec 14, 2023 18:42:12 GMT -4
I think Courteau had the old man mood. Old men don't like change. Pretty clear Corteau had a hard line against the name change. It's unfortunate the league owners allowed their leader to be someone who clearly viewed the maritime teams as lesser members. Again with the own victimization?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 14, 2023 18:42:54 GMT -4
Lmao... Yeah that drama queen doesn't count. But I do love seeing fans across the league cheering on the change. And I doubt it gets seen but my reply to him sums it up nicely. Drama Queen is an understatement. Imagine trying to sell the history of the league as guys like Mike Bossy who haven't played in 47 years and not a Marc-Andre Fleury still playing in the NHL and heading towards passing Roy for all time wins. The regional biases/obsessions people have over this stuff is nuts. Fleury is Quebec born. Played Junior in CB 20 years ago. But they think the league history is being thrown in the trash today close to 30 years after Halifax changed the game with the success of the Mooseheads. This just reinforces what has been obvious for 20 years now. Without the success of the Halifax's and Moncton's the QMJHL would be nothing close to what it is today. The higher ups in the league took this region for granted for too long.
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 14, 2023 18:44:29 GMT -4
Others are really dramatic with it and you'd swear the Maritime teams held a gun to the league demanding they take Quebec out of the name. As much as I despise Courteau for the things he has done, Stephane Leroux is worse. He should not be allowed in any arenas in the league.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 14, 2023 18:46:29 GMT -4
Pretty clear Corteau had a hard line against the name change. It's unfortunate the league owners allowed their leader to be someone who clearly viewed the maritime teams as lesser members. Again with the own victimization? Are they not all saying Corteau was the person standing in the way of this change? It was UNANIMOUS. The only change is the commissioner. What all of a sudden changed to make every single team want this? It's laughable you want to admit Corteau himself didn't want them recognized yet also laugh at how people viewed the league under his watch as having clear bias against Maritime teams. It's not even debateable after this decision. We were living in a world where the leader of the entire league viewed his own region and his own teams as superior to ours and didn't want to give us any recognition or consideration under the actual name of the league.
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 14, 2023 18:50:29 GMT -4
Again with the own victimization? Are they not all saying Corteau was the person standing in the way of this change? It was UNANIMOUS. The only change is the commissioner. What all of a sudden changed to make every single team want this? It's laughable you want to admit Corteau himself didn't want them recognized yet also laugh at how people viewed the league under his watch as having clear bias against Maritime teams. It's not even debateable after this decision. We were living in a world where the leader of the entire league viewed his own region and his own teams as superior to ours and didn't want to give us any recognition or consideration under the actual name of the league. Fwiw, Sportsnet was fighting for the name change when they had the rights.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 14, 2023 19:15:31 GMT -4
Again with the own victimization? Are they not all saying Corteau was the person standing in the way of this change? It was UNANIMOUS. The only change is the commissioner. What all of a sudden changed to make every single team want this? It's laughable you want to admit Corteau himself didn't want them recognized yet also laugh at how people viewed the league under his watch as having clear bias against Maritime teams. It's not even debateable after this decision. We were living in a world where the leader of the entire league viewed his own region and his own teams as superior to ours and didn't want to give us any recognition or consideration under the actual name of the league. What I said is that I viewed him as an old man who didn't like change in his last years. He probably should have been gone 10 years ago. I really don't see it as him not recognizing the Maritimes. That's bullshit but I guess it reinforces your own sense of victimization. Courteau is the one who came up with the expansion because he knew the Maritimes were essential to the league's growth. He said multiple times it was one of his greatest achievement as commissioner. His career wasn't without mistakes but I believe his work towards expanding the league in the 90's and 2000's was his biggest legacy. If he didn't work towards it, you wouldn't be here feeling not recognized. That's laughable... I don't like Leroux or his opinion on this matter but he actually had to make a post he recognized what the Maritimes teams brought to the league. For some people life is black or white I guess, we're either with you or against you.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 14, 2023 19:30:07 GMT -4
Are they not all saying Corteau was the person standing in the way of this change? It was UNANIMOUS. The only change is the commissioner. What all of a sudden changed to make every single team want this? It's laughable you want to admit Corteau himself didn't want them recognized yet also laugh at how people viewed the league under his watch as having clear bias against Maritime teams. It's not even debateable after this decision. We were living in a world where the leader of the entire league viewed his own region and his own teams as superior to ours and didn't want to give us any recognition or consideration under the actual name of the league. What I said is that I viewed him as an old man who didn't like change in his last years. He probably should have been gone 10 years ago. I really don't see it as him not recognizing the Maritimes. That's bullshit but I guess it reinforces your own sense of victimization. Courteau is the one who came up with the expansion because he knew the Maritimes were essential to the league's growth. He said multiple times it was one of his greatest achievement as commissioner. His career wasn't without mistakes but I believe his work towards expanding the league in the 90's and 2000's was his biggest legacy. If he didn't work towards it, you wouldn't be here feeling not recognized. That's laughable... I don't like Leroux or his opinion on this matter but he actually had to make a post he recognized what the Maritimes teams brought to the league. For some people life is black or white I guess, we're either with you or against you. He wanted our money and access to our players. While also wanting us to play no part in the historical name of the league even though the 1 word change was a common sense thing to do 2 decades ago. Not sure what isn't fact in this discussion. Corteau put his own beliefs ahead of what was best for the league. Recognizing both major regions the teams play out of is what is best. Recognizing the stability the Maritimes offered is what is best. Pretending this is still a league played out of barns in Laval and Verdun instead of Sydney and Charlottetown isn't what was best for this league.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 14, 2023 19:31:16 GMT -4
Are they not all saying Corteau was the person standing in the way of this change? It was UNANIMOUS. The only change is the commissioner. What all of a sudden changed to make every single team want this? It's laughable you want to admit Corteau himself didn't want them recognized yet also laugh at how people viewed the league under his watch as having clear bias against Maritime teams. It's not even debateable after this decision. We were living in a world where the leader of the entire league viewed his own region and his own teams as superior to ours and didn't want to give us any recognition or consideration under the actual name of the league. Fwiw, Sportsnet was fighting for the name change when they had the rights. Of course they were. That's a major change when it comes to marketing. It's 2023 and we still need to explain how inclusion works and why it's important.
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Post by hal on Dec 14, 2023 20:02:18 GMT -4
I predicted it .......just took a little longer than I thought ...lol
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Post by MikeC on Dec 14, 2023 20:17:02 GMT -4
FFS Leroux, the OHL was the OHA from 1932-1980 and out west it was the WCHL before it became the WHL in 1978. Things change.
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Post by j3e4 on Dec 14, 2023 21:24:21 GMT -4
Others are really dramatic with it and you'd swear the Maritime teams held a gun to the league demanding they take Quebec out of the name. Hilariously ironic that he's whining about this on a platform that recently changed from their long-time name of "Twitter" to "X".
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Post by Mika on Dec 14, 2023 21:27:09 GMT -4
Hilariously ironic that he's whining about this on a platform that recently changed from their long-time name of "Twitter" to "X". I honestly never even thought of that, and that is hilarious. Names change all the time. People, companies, teams, leagues. Everyone just needs to accept it and move on.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 14, 2023 22:19:41 GMT -4
There are some people saying they should have gone with East Hockey League. Imagine the crisis lol. I prefer keeping the QMJHL/LHJMQ.
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Post by Mika on Dec 14, 2023 22:28:02 GMT -4
There are some people saying they should have gone with East Hockey League. Imagine the crisis lol. I prefer keeping the QMJHL/LHJMQ. I wouldn't have been against that, but Eastern Hockey League would've sounded better. But hard to go wrong with keeping the classic QMJHL/LHJMQ. In the end, everyone just calls it "The Q" anyway. Maybe we should start calling it "The M"
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Dec 15, 2023 8:08:52 GMT -4
The only argument in all this that has any legs is who does this type of thing mid-season.
This brand has been living in wilderness of denial for years. But I believe they got this right. Right now it's a talking point for junior hockey's biggest stage - the world juniors. Albeit in a year the Q is under-represented at the tournament.
The Bossy-Lafleur**Lemieux** etc argument pisses me off. This league is really the league of **Sidney Crosby**, Nathan MacKinnon, maybe Marchand for the current audience. The Q has done a terrible job promoting their hand in development of those guys.
I think Courteau had given himself way more power and probably a veto back when leagues let commissioners be more powerful than God. I do not think Guy Lafleur needed his jersey retired across the whole league. Lafleur is not a Jackie Robinson or a Wayne Gretzky.
And then the Championship Trophy got named after the guy the year he left. Basically before that it was the only trophy without a guys name...which I preferred.
We have a long way to go still to remove the stench of that guy, and frankly hope that over next 25 years some of these other things can be dropped too.
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