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Post by Reesor on Dec 15, 2023 8:34:48 GMT -4
Like the name change. The logo is weird, but that doesn't matter much.
It will be funny if St. John's can make themselves a financially viable franchise location and we have to change the name again.
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Post by Penguins23® on Dec 15, 2023 8:54:01 GMT -4
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 15, 2023 8:59:46 GMT -4
Or that Quebec isn't really pulling its weight in terms of players
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Post by gtsoc on Dec 15, 2023 9:05:28 GMT -4
Wow, they are really out of touch. Do they not realize Quebec is still in the name? Or is he pissy that Maritimes comes before Quebec in the French version?
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Post by Mika on Dec 15, 2023 9:12:52 GMT -4
In the modern economy? Good luck surviving without the revenue Halifax, Moncton, Saint John bring in. Overall though, I've seen way more positivity towards the change from Quebec fans than I have negativity. It's really nice to see a lot of the Quebec fans view us as equals in the league. It's a shame though a lot of the attention is going to the small but vocal minority that's against this (and would be against anything to do with the Maritimes in general).
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Post by bois on Dec 15, 2023 9:13:05 GMT -4
Respected by whom?
they are the twitter geniuses who cares what they have to say
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Post by sc74 on Dec 15, 2023 9:17:41 GMT -4
The only argument in all this that has any legs is who does this type of thing mid-season. This brand has been living in wilderness of denial for years. But I believe they got this right. Right now it's a talking point for junior hockey's biggest stage - the world juniors. Albeit in a year the Q is under-represented at the tournament. The Bossy-Lafleur**Lemieux** etc argument pisses me off. This league is really the league of **Sidney Crosby**, Nathan MacKinnon, maybe Marchand for the current audience. The Q has done a terrible job promoting their hand in development of those guys. I think Courteau had given himself way more power and probably a veto back when leagues let commissioners be more powerful than God. I do not think Guy Lafleur needed his jersey retired across the whole league. Lafleur is not a Jackie Robinson or a Wayne Gretzky. And then the Championship Trophy got named after the guy the year he left. Basically before that it was the only trophy without a guys name...which I preferred. We have a long way to go still to remove the stench of that guy, and frankly hope that over next 25 years some of these other things can be dropped too. I'm pretty sure those former players they're referring to mostly wouldn't care about the name change. They've seen plenty of changes in hockey over their careers and life. They didn't seem to be the type to throw a fit about it. Also, I agree with most of your points but the one about Guy Lafleur. I never watched him play but he deserved it as the league's first star. After retiring Crosby's number league wide, it made no sense not to give previous stars the same honour, especially the one who "built" the league. Probably Lafleur's should have been done before Crosby. The "Maritimes hater" Courteau was the one who decided that the first player who would get the recognition would be Crosby.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 15, 2023 9:24:19 GMT -4
In the modern economy? Good luck surviving without the revenue Halifax, Moncton, Saint John bring in. Overall though, I've seen way more positivity towards the change from Quebec fans than I have negativity. It's really nice to see a lot of the Quebec fans view us as equals in the league. It's a shame though a lot of the attention is going to the small but vocal minority that's against this (and would be against anything to do with the Maritimes in general). Yep. What I've read from real QMJHL fans since yesterday is positive. The negative feedback mostly comes from some reporters and I really don't understant their fuss about it. Apart from Lavoie who's an idiot, it's nothing against the Maritimes though, their arguments are about history. Like I've been saying since yesterday, there are a lot of people that just don't like change even when it's good.
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Post by Reesor on Dec 15, 2023 9:25:28 GMT -4
I'm not a follower geopolitics all that much. I don't even know if I'm using geopolitics correctly. But I believe many Quebecers are afraid of their culture being anglicized and they're looking to hold onto anything that reflects their french culture and tradition. I don't blame them in the slightest, however I believe the route to holding on to that set of values is to promote inclusion. I have no problem keeping Quebec in the name and not changing to the Eastern Hockey League. Quebecers have a rich hockey tradition and I'm all for continuing to shine a light on that while acknowledging the contribution Maritimers have had on the league.
It is ridiculous to get so upset at a name change though. The "If you don't like it, leave" quote from Lavoie seems to be deep rooted in a concept that goes far beyond hockey. I'm sure if the American Hockey League changed its name to recognize the Canadian teams in that league, he wouldn't bat an eye. This is a "Quebec vs Canada" thing for some, and some folks are driving a wedge between two sides rather than doing what they can to bring people together. It is nice to see the vast majority support this name change and be supportive of recognizing the contributions of everyone that has made this league what it is today.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 15, 2023 9:31:56 GMT -4
I'm not a follower geopolitics all that much. I don't even know if I'm using geopolitics correctly. But I believe many Quebecers are afraid of their culture being anglicized and they're looking to hold onto anything that reflects their french culture and tradition. I don't blame them in the slightest, however I believe the route to holding on to that set of values is to promote inclusion. I have no problem keeping Quebec in the name and not changing to the Eastern Hockey League. Quebecers have a rich hockey tradition and I'm all for continuing to shine a light on that while acknowledging the contribution Maritimers have had on the league. It is ridiculous to get so upset at a name change though. The "If you don't like it, leave" quote from Lavoie seems to be deep rooted in a concept that goes far beyond hockey. I'm sure if the American Hockey League changed its name to recognize the Canadian teams in that league, he wouldn't bat an eye. This is a "Quebec vs Canada" thing for some, and some folks are driving a wedge between two sides rather than doing what they can to bring people together. It is nice to see the vast majority support this name change and be supportive of recognizing the contributions of everyone that has made this league what it is today. I wouldn't put much consideration into what Lavoie has to say. Even Quebec hockey fans hate him, especially Habs fans because he always asks players stupid questions. He acts like a big insider and he isn't.
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Post by briansjnb on Dec 15, 2023 9:34:51 GMT -4
What a bunch of miserable, scumbag clowns. I can only assume this is for attention because the commentary is entirely moronic.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 15, 2023 9:34:56 GMT -4
I hope more former players like Zach Fucale will speak up on the matter. Although he has no respect for Charlottetown.
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Post by Mika on Dec 15, 2023 9:46:45 GMT -4
I'm not a follower geopolitics all that much. I don't even know if I'm using geopolitics correctly. But I believe many Quebecers are afraid of their culture being anglicized and they're looking to hold onto anything that reflects their french culture and tradition. I don't blame them in the slightest, however I believe the route to holding on to that set of values is to promote inclusion. I have no problem keeping Quebec in the name and not changing to the Eastern Hockey League. Quebecers have a rich hockey tradition and I'm all for continuing to shine a light on that while acknowledging the contribution Maritimers have had on the league. It is ridiculous to get so upset at a name change though. The "If you don't like it, leave" quote from Lavoie seems to be deep rooted in a concept that goes far beyond hockey. I'm sure if the American Hockey League changed its name to recognize the Canadian teams in that league, he wouldn't bat an eye. This is a "Quebec vs Canada" thing for some, and some folks are driving a wedge between two sides rather than doing what they can to bring people together. It is nice to see the vast majority support this name change and be supportive of recognizing the contributions of everyone that has made this league what it is today. A lot of it is a Maritime thing in general too. Western Canada doesn't mind taking our workers, but they'll turn and call us a welfare state and run us down. It would be nice to see that be a bonding point with Québec because in many ways, we deal with the same issues from the rest of the country. The infighting happens everywhere though.
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Post by sc74 on Dec 15, 2023 9:50:38 GMT -4
I'm not a follower geopolitics all that much. I don't even know if I'm using geopolitics correctly. But I believe many Quebecers are afraid of their culture being anglicized and they're looking to hold onto anything that reflects their french culture and tradition. I don't blame them in the slightest, however I believe the route to holding on to that set of values is to promote inclusion. I have no problem keeping Quebec in the name and not changing to the Eastern Hockey League. Quebecers have a rich hockey tradition and I'm all for continuing to shine a light on that while acknowledging the contribution Maritimers have had on the league. It is ridiculous to get so upset at a name change though. The "If you don't like it, leave" quote from Lavoie seems to be deep rooted in a concept that goes far beyond hockey. I'm sure if the American Hockey League changed its name to recognize the Canadian teams in that league, he wouldn't bat an eye. This is a "Quebec vs Canada" thing for some, and some folks are driving a wedge between two sides rather than doing what they can to bring people together. It is nice to see the vast majority support this name change and be supportive of recognizing the contributions of everyone that has made this league what it is today. A lot of it is a Maritime thing in general too. Western Canada doesn't mind taking our workers, but they'll turn and call us a welfare state and run us down. It would be nice to see that be a bonding point with Québec because in many ways, we deal with the same issues from the rest of the country. The infighting happens everywhere though. Human kind is good at fighting each other.
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Post by elementz on Dec 15, 2023 11:21:48 GMT -4
The only argument in all this that has any legs is who does this type of thing mid-season. This brand has been living in wilderness of denial for years. But I believe they got this right. Right now it's a talking point for junior hockey's biggest stage - the world juniors. Albeit in a year the Q is under-represented at the tournament.Fun fact, the Q has more players on Team Canada than the OHL this year.
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